2020 Polestar 2

[BabyBlade]

19 hours ago, Ganwb79 said:

Since today was a holiday and I had free time and I was in the area I dropped into the Polestar showroom for a look. 3 deal breakers for me just sitting in the driver's seat.

1. The centre air con vents are weird. Probably because the tablet was blocking, the vents don't blow air out towards the driver. Why not just put them elsewhere if so? Major design fail. I set the fan speed to max and hardly felt any air flow at all. Air con is important for a car and I didn't feel like the air con on this car can cut it. It will get worse under the hot sun with the full glass roof. Major deal breaker.

2. The centre console is huge, for no good reason. There are not a lot of buttons, nor a lot of storage, so why does it need to be so wide? I felt constrained by it, couldn't sit with my legs open wide enough. 

3. The driver footwell is sloping downwards. Why? I couldn't adjust the seat to where I am not sitting in an awkward angle while working the pedals. Also, space between the brake and throttle pedals is too close. Yeah yeah, 1-pedal driving etc. But in times of need I can't be messing about and look for the brake pedal.

The back seat area is small-ish but because of the glass roof it does not feel very constrained, so all good.

Crossed the road to Volvo and the XC40 full electric. I feel that space wise it is less constrained for the driver. And the centre air con vents work. People considering the P2 should also look at the XC40, I find it better. 

Could use your review here! https://www.sgcarmart.com/new_cars/newcars_overview.php?CarCode=12969

[Volvobrick]

I will wait till V60 or V90 T6 plug in is available at a reasonable price.... 

[Ganwb79]

13 hours ago, Jtsjv said:

good candid review. it really depends on what the buyer is looking out for.

The PS2, XC40 and in time to come the C40 - all based on Volvo's compact modular architecture.

They will appeal to drivers with different needs. Quick summary without going into too much details (given that i've driven the PS2 for over 9000km - about 3700km overseas in winter and the rest in Singapore, more than 100km in the XC40 Recharge Twin in Singapore, and about 70km in the C40 Recharge Twin overseas):

- PS2 will appeal to those who want lower seating, better handling and bigger screen with (subjectively) better android automotive interface. Thanks to lower height and sedan shape, aerodynamics are better which means longer range. Rear headroom, general space in the cabin and practicality will be a challenge. Thankfully the 'boot opening' is hatchback style, while allows swallowing of large luggages more easily compared to sedans. The ride is also firmer (stick to the smaller 19" rims if comfort is essential). PS2 gives the option of a less aggressive regenerative braking for new users to get used to, in addition to just 'on' and 'off'.

- Volvo XC40 will be for those who need the space or prefer to sit higher up. The ride is more cushiony, but "bouncy" for some. Downsides are the relative handling (compared to the PS2), but still pretty good for its height and weight. Higher ride and more squarish shape means more drag and correspondingly lesser range compared to PS2 for the same power and battery capacity. I personally find the android automotive on the new Volvos a little less 'straight forward' to use compared to PS2, and the screen is rather small. Volvo doesn't give the option of a 'less aggressive' regenerative braking - it's either on or off.

- Volvo C40 will be somewhere in between the PS2 and the XC40. Most of the interior cabin space and practicality seen in the XC40 is available in the C40, less rear passenger headroom and boot height. The car is also slightly lower (suspension) than the XC40 - which means better handling than XC40, while still having more comfortable ride than the PS2. Coupe style design means its aerodynamics is improved over XC40, and it's range will be closer to the PS2.

XC40 has a VES rating of A2 (compared to A1 for PS2), which means price will be higher for the same dual motor variant. In Singapore, PS2 offers the more cost-effective options of single motor with both long range and standard range, which the XC40 doesn't have (it should be coming soon though). Correspondingly, road tax for the single motor will be a lot lower than the dual motors - higher half of $1k (which is significantly cheaper than the Dual motors, and even Tesla M3's single motor due to the lower power output).

Of course, PS2 (only dual motor version) will have a top speed beyond Volvo's recently implemented top speed of 180kph across its line up.

Lastly, PS2 design was supposed to be Volvo's sedan version of the XC40 before it was 'given' to Polestar when the brand was set up by Volvo. It was launched as Concept 40.2 by Volvo in 2016 (XC40 was Concept 40.1). Expectedly, XC40 will be more spacious than the its sedan sibling, just like XC60 is to S60, and XC90 is to S90. The wagons (V60 cross country and V90 cross country) are the in-between, which i guess is filled up by the C40 for the 40 series.

 

 

 

 

 

13 hours ago, Jtsjv said:

good candid review. it really depends on what the buyer is looking out for.

The PS2, XC40 and in time to come the C40 - all based on Volvo's compact modular architecture.

They will appeal to drivers with different needs. Quick summary without going into too much details (given that i've driven the PS2 for over 9000km - about 3700km overseas in winter and the rest in Singapore, more than 100km in the XC40 Recharge Twin in Singapore, and about 70km in the C40 Recharge Twin overseas):

- PS2 will appeal to those who want lower seating, better handling and bigger screen with (subjectively) better android automotive interface. Thanks to lower height and sedan shape, aerodynamics are better which means longer range. Rear headroom, general space in the cabin and practicality will be a challenge. Thankfully the 'boot opening' is hatchback style, while allows swallowing of large luggages more easily compared to sedans. The ride is also firmer (stick to the smaller 19" rims if comfort is essential). PS2 gives the option of a less aggressive regenerative braking for new users to get used to, in addition to just 'on' and 'off'.

- Volvo XC40 will be for those who need the space or prefer to sit higher up. The ride is more cushiony, but "bouncy" for some. Downsides are the relative handling (compared to the PS2), but still pretty good for its height and weight. Higher ride and more squarish shape means more drag and correspondingly lesser range compared to PS2 for the same power and battery capacity. I personally find the android automotive on the new Volvos a little less 'straight forward' to use compared to PS2, and the screen is rather small. Volvo doesn't give the option of a 'less aggressive' regenerative braking - it's either on or off.

- Volvo C40 will be somewhere in between the PS2 and the XC40. Most of the interior cabin space and practicality seen in the XC40 is available in the C40, less rear passenger headroom and boot height. The car is also slightly lower (suspension) than the XC40 - which means better handling than XC40, while still having more comfortable ride than the PS2. Coupe style design means its aerodynamics is improved over XC40, and it's range will be closer to the PS2.

XC40 has a VES rating of A2 (compared to A1 for PS2), which means price will be higher for the same dual motor variant. In Singapore, PS2 offers the more cost-effective options of single motor with both long range and standard range, which the XC40 doesn't have (it should be coming soon though). Correspondingly, road tax for the single motor will be a lot lower than the dual motors - higher half of $1k (which is significantly cheaper than the Dual motors, and even Tesla M3's single motor due to the lower power output).

Of course, PS2 (only dual motor version) will have a top speed beyond Volvo's recently implemented top speed of 180kph across its line up.

Lastly, PS2 design was supposed to be Volvo's sedan version of the XC40 before it was 'given' to Polestar when the brand was set up by Volvo. It was launched as Concept 40.2 by Volvo in 2016 (XC40 was Concept 40.1). Expectedly, XC40 will be more spacious than the its sedan sibling, just like XC60 is to S60, and XC90 is to S90. The wagons (V60 cross country and V90 cross country) are the in-between, which i guess is filled up by the C40 for the 40 series.

 

 

 

 

 

13 hours ago, Jtsjv said:

good candid review. it really depends on what the buyer is looking out for.

The PS2, XC40 and in time to come the C40 - all based on Volvo's compact modular architecture.

They will appeal to drivers with different needs. Quick summary without going into too much details (given that i've driven the PS2 for over 9000km - about 3700km overseas in winter and the rest in Singapore, more than 100km in the XC40 Recharge Twin in Singapore, and about 70km in the C40 Recharge Twin overseas):

- PS2 will appeal to those who want lower seating, better handling and bigger screen with (subjectively) better android automotive interface. Thanks to lower height and sedan shape, aerodynamics are better which means longer range. Rear headroom, general space in the cabin and practicality will be a challenge. Thankfully the 'boot opening' is hatchback style, while allows swallowing of large luggages more easily compared to sedans. The ride is also firmer (stick to the smaller 19" rims if comfort is essential). PS2 gives the option of a less aggressive regenerative braking for new users to get used to, in addition to just 'on' and 'off'.

- Volvo XC40 will be for those who need the space or prefer to sit higher up. The ride is more cushiony, but "bouncy" for some. Downsides are the relative handling (compared to the PS2), but still pretty good for its height and weight. Higher ride and more squarish shape means more drag and correspondingly lesser range compared to PS2 for the same power and battery capacity. I personally find the android automotive on the new Volvos a little less 'straight forward' to use compared to PS2, and the screen is rather small. Volvo doesn't give the option of a 'less aggressive' regenerative braking - it's either on or off.

- Volvo C40 will be somewhere in between the PS2 and the XC40. Most of the interior cabin space and practicality seen in the XC40 is available in the C40, less rear passenger headroom and boot height. The car is also slightly lower (suspension) than the XC40 - which means better handling than XC40, while still having more comfortable ride than the PS2. Coupe style design means its aerodynamics is improved over XC40, and it's range will be closer to the PS2.

XC40 has a VES rating of A2 (compared to A1 for PS2), which means price will be higher for the same dual motor variant. In Singapore, PS2 offers the more cost-effective options of single motor with both long range and standard range, which the XC40 doesn't have (it should be coming soon though). Correspondingly, road tax for the single motor will be a lot lower than the dual motors - higher half of $1k (which is significantly cheaper than the Dual motors, and even Tesla M3's single motor due to the lower power output).

Of course, PS2 (only dual motor version) will have a top speed beyond Volvo's recently implemented top speed of 180kph across its line up.

Lastly, PS2 design was supposed to be Volvo's sedan version of the XC40 before it was 'given' to Polestar when the brand was set up by Volvo. It was launched as Concept 40.2 by Volvo in 2016 (XC40 was Concept 40.1). Expectedly, XC40 will be more spacious than the its sedan sibling, just like XC60 is to S60, and XC90 is to S90. The wagons (V60 cross country and V90 cross country) are the in-between, which i guess is filled up by the C40 for the 40 series.

 

 

 

 

 

13 hours ago, Jtsjv said:

good candid review. it really depends on what the buyer is looking out for.

The PS2, XC40 and in time to come the C40 - all based on Volvo's compact modular architecture.

They will appeal to drivers with different needs. Quick summary without going into too much details (given that i've driven the PS2 for over 9000km - about 3700km overseas in winter and the rest in Singapore, more than 100km in the XC40 Recharge Twin in Singapore, and about 70km in the C40 Recharge Twin overseas):

- PS2 will appeal to those who want lower seating, better handling and bigger screen with (subjectively) better android automotive interface. Thanks to lower height and sedan shape, aerodynamics are better which means longer range. Rear headroom, general space in the cabin and practicality will be a challenge. Thankfully the 'boot opening' is hatchback style, while allows swallowing of large luggages more easily compared to sedans. The ride is also firmer (stick to the smaller 19" rims if comfort is essential). PS2 gives the option of a less aggressive regenerative braking for new users to get used to, in addition to just 'on' and 'off'.

- Volvo XC40 will be for those who need the space or prefer to sit higher up. The ride is more cushiony, but "bouncy" for some. Downsides are the relative handling (compared to the PS2), but still pretty good for its height and weight. Higher ride and more squarish shape means more drag and correspondingly lesser range compared to PS2 for the same power and battery capacity. I personally find the android automotive on the new Volvos a little less 'straight forward' to use compared to PS2, and the screen is rather small. Volvo doesn't give the option of a 'less aggressive' regenerative braking - it's either on or off.

- Volvo C40 will be somewhere in between the PS2 and the XC40. Most of the interior cabin space and practicality seen in the XC40 is available in the C40, less rear passenger headroom and boot height. The car is also slightly lower (suspension) than the XC40 - which means better handling than XC40, while still having more comfortable ride than the PS2. Coupe style design means its aerodynamics is improved over XC40, and it's range will be closer to the PS2.

XC40 has a VES rating of A2 (compared to A1 for PS2), which means price will be higher for the same dual motor variant. In Singapore, PS2 offers the more cost-effective options of single motor with both long range and standard range, which the XC40 doesn't have (it should be coming soon though). Correspondingly, road tax for the single motor will be a lot lower than the dual motors - higher half of $1k (which is significantly cheaper than the Dual motors, and even Tesla M3's single motor due to the lower power output).

Of course, PS2 (only dual motor version) will have a top speed beyond Volvo's recently implemented top speed of 180kph across its line up.

Lastly, PS2 design was supposed to be Volvo's sedan version of the XC40 before it was 'given' to Polestar when the brand was set up by Volvo. It was launched as Concept 40.2 by Volvo in 2016 (XC40 was Concept 40.1). Expectedly, XC40 will be more spacious than the its sedan sibling, just like XC60 is to S60, and XC90 is to S90. The wagons (V60 cross country and V90 cross country) are the in-between, which i guess is filled up by the C40 for the 40 series.

 

 

 

 

You are correct on all pts in the comparison. I'm just highlighting certain areas where i felt the XC40 had better arrangement of the interior space and comfort

[Jtsjv]

14 hours ago, Lethalstrike said:

Thanks for sharing. I think the C40 will be worse off than the XC40 for practicality, its sloping roof line at the back will probably equates to reduced head-room and possibly less boot volume, particularly for taller and bulkier items. People will only buy the C40 for its style and design. 

I happen to see these pictures online by someone who owns both the PS2 and C40 overseas.

of course C40 will have lesser rear headroom than xc40 - no doubt. But it could still be more than the PS2. 

[Fitmugen]

The car has its flaws but it still represents good value with the single motor standard range at just slightly over $200k. Should still sell well in SG for now. Kia told me EV6 will be at least $250k and likely to only arrive next year. Ioniq5 looks like 2024 then available with the SG factory completion.

I think you have to drive the car daily to appreciate it. Some of the “flaws” mentioned are quite superficial and won’t be noticed due to other more important features that matter to the driver.

[Lethalstrike]

16 hours ago, Jtsjv said:

I happen to see these pictures online by someone who owns both the PS2 and C40 overseas.

of course C40 will have lesser rear headroom than xc40 - no doubt. But it could still be more than the PS2. 

A big Volvo fan 😆

[Fitmugen]

Anyone knows the nett price now? Got discount off list price?

[josh98]

@Fitmugen went the showroom to take a look before the current COE bidding came out, sales told me was 211K after 15k overtrade discount (but can work it out even without trading in a car), with 6 bids COE and complementary plus pack option. 

[Fitmugen]

15 minutes ago, josh98 said:

@Fitmugen went the showroom to take a look before the current COE bidding came out, sales told me was 211K after 15k overtrade discount (but can work it out even without trading in a car), with 6 bids COE and complementary plus pack option. 

Thanks! Is this for the standard range or long range single motor? Do you know the delivery date?

[josh98]

12 minutes ago, Fitmugen said:

Thanks! Is this for the standard range or long range single motor? Do you know the delivery date?

@Fitmugen delivery date not too sure, but the price is for the standard range single motor

Edited June 28, 2022 by josh98

[Acegab]

21 hours ago, josh98 said:

@Fitmugen went the showroom to take a look before the current COE bidding came out, sales told me was 211K after 15k overtrade discount (but can work it out even without trading in a car), with 6 bids COE and complementary plus pack option. 

What is plus pack option?

[josh98]

3 hours ago, Acegab said:

What is plus pack option?

https://www.polestar.com/en-sg/polestar-2/plus-pack/

got panaromic roof, harman kardon speakers and stuff, can see in the link

[Carbon82]

I can double confirm that replacement battery will never be more expensive than the car here... "thanks" to our $100k++ COE and >100% ARF! 

But nothing stopping Polestar or Wearnes to price the battery pack at OMV or more technically speaking. 

Polestar 2 Battery Replacement Far Exceeds Car’s Price In China 

The Polestar 2 is built in China where it costs from 298,350 yuan (just over $43,000), but one owner was quoted far more than that for a replacement battery pack. The owner damaged his dual-motor long range Polestar 2 in an accident and it was deemed necessary to replace the battery pack as it had been dented inward and was no longer safe for use.

When the owner, a certain Mr. Huang, took his damaged car to be repaired at the dealership, he was quoted a whopping 540,000 yuan ($79,200) for a new battery pack to be installed. That is one and a half times more than what Mr. Huang paid for his Polestar 2, which doesn’t sound like it can be economically repaired.

According to CN EV Post, which quotes local Chinese sources, they reached out to Polestar to confirm if this was the going rate for a Polestar 2 battery replacement. They got an official statement back saying that the actual rate was 400,000 yuan ($57,900), suggesting that Mr. Huang may also have been charged for other repairs that were needed on his car.

After getting the official quote from Polestar, Jiemian News reached out to another Chinese EV manufacturer, Xpeng, and learned that the cost of a replacement 80 kWh battery pack for the P7 sedan was just over 110,000 yuan ($14,500), while for the smaller packs in the P5 and G3 they charged 90,000 yuan ($13,000) and 85,000 yuan ($12,300) respectively. Another Chinese automaker selling EVs, Li Auto, will replace the 37.2 kWh battery pack in its Li ONE range extender EV for around 70,000 yuan ($10,100).

In the United States, the cost of a battery pack replacement for a Tesla Model 3 can be around $20,000, while an entirely new Model S pack may exceed $30,000. We have reached out to Polestar in the US to see how much they charge for a Polestar 2 pack here and we’ll update the article when we hear back.

[Carbon82]

2023 Polestar 2 Facelift

The biggest changes is under the skin. New electric motors are fitted to both the single-motor and more powerful dual-motor versions. The 2023 Polestar 2 also becomes the first model of the company to be available with rear-wheel drive as the base model is now powered by its rear wheels as opposed to the outgoing FWD entry-level variant.

RWD (base model)

• 299 horsepower / 223 kilowatts (vs 231 hp / 172 kW pre-facelift) 
• 489 Newton-meters torque (up from 329 Nm on the previous base version)
• 0 to 100 Kmh at 5.9 seconds (previously at 7.4 sec) 

Dual-Motor AWD (rear-drive bias)

• 421 hp / 314 kW (vs 408 hp / 304 kW pre-facelift) 
• 740 NM torque (up from 633 Nm)

Performance Package (optional)

• 455 hp / 339 kW
• 0 to 100 at 4.1 seconds

Why I highlighted that the AWD version is rear-drive bias is because the front electric motor can be disengaged completely when not needed and when the driver hits the acceleration pedal, it will re-engage instantly to deliver additional power.

Battery on the facelifted Polestar 2 are new too. Installed on the Long-range version, it has a capacity of 82 kilowatt-hours, allowing for an expected EPA range of up to 483 kilometers. The maximum charging speed is also improved and in this version, it is now 205 kW. All versions of the 2024 Polestar 2 gain range improvements thanks to the optimization of power delivery, as well as the front motor disconnect function on the Long-range version.

[inlinesix]

Road tax will be more ex than Tesla

😂

[Blkoh]

yeah.. heard that Road Tax after 1st year is $3k plus... ... .

[inlinesix]

4 minutes ago, Blkoh said:

yeah.. heard that Road Tax after 1st year is $3k plus... ... .

For RWD, it is $4.2k

[Freeder]

3 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

For RWD, it is $4.2k

funk wheel is $1.9+k for 1st yr..

2nd yr ? 
3rd yr ?