Kopites Supersonic February 27, 2019 Share February 27, 2019 Don't move someone if u suspect them of having head or neck injury. For the major injuries reported by the newspaper, move here and there a bit while getting her out or checking if she's OK, isn't really going to make it worse. we were taught to do a head to toes check (swap) for any visible external injuries (example: fracture) at SMM. I reckon minimal movement for the causalty should be OK? If visible protruding injuries than I think should be zero movement. Right? Wrong? ↡ Advertisement 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesc Hypersonic February 27, 2019 Share February 27, 2019 (edited) . Edited February 27, 2019 by Jamesc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scion Turbocharged February 27, 2019 Share February 27, 2019 last time that area was Bukit Merah SAFRA right? Alexandra Central Mall has been quite empty ever since it was completed and opened with this accident, probably will continue to be a ghost town 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dafansu Turbocharged February 27, 2019 Share February 27, 2019 last time that area was Bukit Merah SAFRA right? Alexandra Central Mall has been quite empty ever since it was completed and opened with this accident, probably will continue to be a ghost town Yes SAFRA it's always empty can find parking easily and the carpark doors are ultra heavy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
13177 Hypersonic February 27, 2019 Share February 27, 2019 Don't move someone if u suspect them of having head or neck injury. For the major injuries reported by the newspaper, move here and there a bit while getting her out or checking if she's OK, isn't really going to make it worse. What should passer-by do when you see someone got knock, fall or crashed onto their head or neck since cannot move them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadX Moderator February 27, 2019 Share February 27, 2019 we were taught to do a head to toes check (swap) for any visible external injuries (example: fracture) at SMM. I reckon minimal movement for the causalty should be OK? If visible protruding injuries than I think should be zero movement. Right? Wrong? Yes Do a quick spinal assessment and if any visible bony protrusion or deformity, do not touch. What they did was immed jerk her up. God knows what else could have transpired there 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mkl22 Supersonic February 27, 2019 Share February 27, 2019 (edited) Yes Do a quick spinal assessment and if any visible bony protrusion or deformity, do not touch. What they did was immed jerk her up. God knows what else could have transpired there A lot of ill informed good hearted people. If I was there I would have shouted not to move her. Experienced a road traffic accident where I saw a pillion rider splayed face down with arms and legs at an odd angle. Told people not to move her. Could only give her oxygen as she was semi concious . And when SCDF came told the ambulance officer that suspected spinal injury and they used a metal stretcher scoop to lift her up. Was serving as a medic at pasir laba then. Always wondered what happened to the pillion. Edited February 27, 2019 by Mkl22 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mkl22 Supersonic February 27, 2019 Share February 27, 2019 What should passer-by do when you see someone got knock, fall or crashed onto their head or neck since cannot move them?I would help to move her if she is able to speak and is ok for someone to help move herself. Else call 995 immediately and make sure she is breathing and has pulse. If no pulse, breathing then do a risk accessment to move her to a cpr position. Correct doctors? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopites Supersonic February 27, 2019 Share February 27, 2019 Yes Do a quick spinal assessment and if any visible bony protrusion or deformity, do not touch. What they did was immed jerk her up. God knows what else could have transpired there The debatable question should we or should we not fault those civic minded smaritian? I am in the later camp. We should not fault them as 9 out of 10 facing such sceniro will likewise will react the same way. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopites Supersonic February 27, 2019 Share February 27, 2019 Not a doctor but looking at the injuries update, is it right to assume that they passerby made things worse by moving her? I did not know this and seeing how people praised the helpful passerby , a lot of us did not know this. Super impt in case anyone meet a similar situation. Whether the passerby worsen the injuries by moving her (let say sitting her up) we won't know. In my view we should not fault those passerby as 9 out of 10 will react the same way under such sceniro. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watwheels Supersonic February 27, 2019 Share February 27, 2019 I think the ppl present acted on instinct. They dont have the luxury of time or have x-ray vision to see that multiple fractures and ruptured liver. The poor lady is probably in shock at that time and adrenaline rushing thru her body, probably didn't felt the pain until the adrenaline worn off. It's after more info came out that more ppl say not to move her....who would have known the door would be so destructive? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopites Supersonic February 27, 2019 Share February 27, 2019 (edited) I would help to move her if she is able to speak and is ok for someone to help move herself. Else call 995 immediately and make sure she is breathing and has pulse. If no pulse, breathing then do a risk accessment to move her to a cpr position. Correct doctors? Of course no problem for you but to general public not many know how to check for pulse/respiration not to mention AED if there is one near by. In my view the most important is to ascertain his/her consciousness (responses). Call for ambulance. Edited February 27, 2019 by Kopites Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusje Supersonic February 27, 2019 Share February 27, 2019 The debatable question should we or should we not fault those civic minded smaritian? I am in the later camp. We should not fault them as 9 out of 10 facing such sceniro will likewise will react the same way. Do we have good Samaritan law? https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/no-need-good-samaritan-law-here-indranee-rajah https://www.mlaw.gov.sg/news/parliamentary-speeches-and-responses/written-answer-by-minister-for-law-k-shanmugam-to-parliamentary-question-on-the-introduction-of-a.html Not sure if these responses are even logical. I will be cautious about providing assistance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopites Supersonic February 27, 2019 Share February 27, 2019 Happened in year 2014 Westmall. Anyone remember this case? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadX Moderator February 27, 2019 Share February 27, 2019 Their priorities are screwed https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/alexandra-central-mall-replace-all-glass-doors-after-one-fell-woman 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver_blade Turbocharged February 27, 2019 Share February 27, 2019 Happened in year 2014 Westmall. Anyone remember this case? This one was the boy pushed the door beyond it's opening limit. Alexandra Central's case is probably due to incorrect/poor maintenance. I have seen some of these fire door there being maintained several time....probably due to alignment or hinges problem. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sdf4786k Twincharged February 28, 2019 Share February 28, 2019 Their priorities are screwed https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/alexandra-central-mall-replace-all-glass-doors-after-one-fell-woman 02524E3A-BF12-4704-BD28-43F2E39A16D7.png I think they worried that the woman identity became exposed. Data protection act. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbon82 Moderator February 28, 2019 Share February 28, 2019 Their priorities are screwed https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/alexandra-central-mall-replace-all-glass-doors-after-one-fell-woman 02524E3A-BF12-4704-BD28-43F2E39A16D7.png Well what is new? We have seen our authority adopting similar approach when dealing with such leaked video / photo / info... didn't we? From security and safety point of view, I do understand that such leak may to a certain extend, affect security and privacy of the organisation / personnel involved (and even hinder the investigation process), thus may be dealt with under PDPA. But to take the issue to the media, instead of providing timely updates about the incident (status of investigation, actions taken, etc) and the conditions of the injured?! ↡ Advertisement 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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