Progress Singapore Party by Tan Cheng Bock

[Hamburger]

I went to a restaurant to eat chicken rice.

 

The restaurant manager insisted no chicken rice and only have nasi lemak.

 

When dish is served, I realise it's a nasi bryani.

 

So should the manager and the restaurant be hold accountable for such lousy service?

[Yewheng]

I think most of us here are enjoying the risk free and cowardly talks here in MCF.

 

 

 

 

 

While you are working hard for the risk free and cowardly defense of the paymasters?

 

So tell me, how are you remunerated? Per post or per word count? Or it is some payment in kind sort to get your PR/Pink IC approved ahead of the others in the queue? The suspense is killing me.

It's because we care for our own country and thus voice concern/suggestions/good things/bad things and etc. If we don't care, we would not even post all these comments here.

[Playtime]

Just look how bad our road quality, even newly paved. Because all supervisors are also FT. Do they have the right cert....I am in doubt.

 

Got minimum number of word needed?

 

Can I apply..

For the road part. To be fair.

Actually its not to do with the paving workers.

 

Standard of paving materials not set by them, it's LTA.

 

Driving overseas, I do notice their roads are very good condition, it can be due to:

1) they don't lay allot of underground pipes like we do. So the ground and roads are more stable.

2) the materials they all get locally are better and much cheaper too.

3) many roads there aren't as heavily used as ours.

 

And yeah.. I am kinda involved in this line of work too..

[Playtime]

And what about the latest case. Take about privacy and vulnerability.. maybe lhy son not same species..

Others son even worst..

[daftTrue]

Wow... outstanding.

 

So your concept of accountability is that as long as there is no "hardship" on the citizens, it is already accounted? They can reap whatever benefits within their own circle, put their own people in any position, even if there is conflict of interest, as long as lives are improved?

 

Come, I clap for you. You have chosen the best nick ever

 

You should not insinuate graft and cronyism so casually. Why are you judgemental and jump to conclusions when you choose to be willfully ignorant of the context and facts?

 

And on the flipside: Any rational working adult will also question what "hardships" TCB and even the existing WP can lift, to the satisfaction of the anti-pap crowd. The complainers are know-it-alls and blamers.

 

You expect TCB to cut his front runners some slack, and vet below pap standards? Then how to be better than pap ministers?

 

And for that matter, how has WP relieved the "hardships" of residents in their constituency for the past decade? Their supporters in all become high wage employees? All get private apartments? All get free utilities? All their supporters kids can get into Ivy League universities? All their supporters get $10 COE? All their supporters recycle and clean their environment the best in singapore? All their best hawkers in their area cut prices? All shops in their ward give large discounts?

 

In fact, those WP chaps been taking the higher MP pay quietly and never even pay their cleaners more, until legislated by the pap ministers!

 

So how are they more "accountable" than pap ministers? How can TCB train his own team to be better than pap ministers if oppo supporters are willing to accept lower standards just to panchan underdog?

[daftTrue]

We paid millions to people who claimed to be the best brain to lead. When we are not happy with result, we have to provide solution. Cant we appoint somebody else? My boss woukd remove me if kpi are not met. Now i know i can ask them for solutions haha

...

 

Why do you ignore the 70% who have decided who they want? Among the this group are the average joes and low wage workers too.

 

Why do you insist that the successful and the elites are automatically doing wrong and bad and evil against the citizens?

 

If low wage citizens are the only ones who can see the light and know the truth, and Oppos should be let in with low standards, how to become better than pap ministers? Average workers cannot build excellent companies. Do you think alibaba, amazon, fb, is grown with only average workers?

Various industries same thing.

Over flooding of ft.

 

I am not against ft and fw.

We need fw. We need good ft. Not flood of ft.

 

Too many engineers are ft.

Even many towkays of construction firms r now ft turned pr. These guys drive down the economy i dare say. Offering low prices. Eroding profits and worse close down pack their bags back to their home country while leaving the debts to locals.

 

The real question is among your citizen competitors, who do you think is the best and who do you admire and want to win?

 

Also, do you think you can win against the best world wide if they come to singapore and compete against your company?

 

What are you doing to get better?

[daftTrue]

Malaysian also has fiber Internet and comfort of aircon at home. So they should be very happy with Najip mah, why they change hah?

 

No, large parts of the countryside do not have fast internet nor aircon. Look at wage levels in Malaysia in cities versus rural.

 

PH also did not get majority of rural bumi votes.

 

And if our public housing, public transport, airport, container port, education, wages and religious favouritism were at Malaysian standard, I will also revolt. But surely as a rational working adult you cannot possibly think Malaysia situation is better than singapore's? How to explain the Malaysian workers streaming to work in singapore daily?

[Ash2017]

No, large parts of the countryside do not have fast internet nor aircon. Look at wage levels in Malaysia in cities versus rural.

 

PH also did not get majority of rural bumi votes.

 

And if our public housing, public transport, airport, container port, education, wages and religious favouritism were at Malaysian standard, I will also revolt. But surely as a rational working adult you cannot possibly think Malaysia situation is better than singapore's? How to explain the Malaysian workers streaming to work in singapore daily?

 

 

You telling me the world got it wrong when they claim Bhutan has the happiest people on earth.

 

Majority dont have many modern amenities.

[daftTrue]

In short, he is saying, as long as the emperor deems watever is accountable, everything is OK.

 

1) mas selamat escape is guards problem

2) SMRT issues are All maintenance staff problem

3) SAF safety issues are soldiers problem

4) Flood is God's problem

 

See all accounted for right??

 

Plse discuss with current and up to date facts.

 

re: Mas Selamat. Two ministers took early retirement. Plus Mas Selamat recaptured quick and security improved at prisons. Not enough for you?

 

re: SMRT. Signalling systems and new tracks work done. Plus work on new lines never faltered. And you have to accept that it is poor quality work of the supervisor and blue collar workers that is at issue. But hard to blame low wage citizens, right?

 

re: SAF safety

It was junior officers and men on ground who are slip shod or make mistakes. Ministers and Generals cannot be face-face with the individual soldier holding hands every day, right? Besides, safety SOP also improved, action taken and enforced.

 

re: flood

That orchard rd flood never happened again. Plus Marina Barrage and new canals and even underground huge storage tanks built very quick.

 

Let's see if TCB, using lower standards, can train his team to be "more accountable". Accountable is Ownership and Action.

 

btw how has WP Oppos been accountable to their residents for all the years of the higher MP pay they have accepted?

[Spurman]

Why do you ignore the 70% who have decided who they want? Among the this group are the average joes and low wage workers too.

 

Why do you insist that the successful and the elites are automatically doing wrong and bad and evil against the citizens?

 

If low wage citizens are the only ones who can see the light and know the truth, and Oppos should be let in with low standards, how to become better than pap ministers? Average workers cannot build excellent companies. Do you think alibaba, amazon, fb, is grown with only average workers?

 

 

The real question is among your citizen competitors, who do you think is the best and who do you admire and want to win?

 

Also, do you think you can win against the best world wide if they come to singapore and compete against your company?

 

What are you doing to get better?

Real question too.

 

Do u tink pap can win against the best in the world if they come to singapore and compete against tour govt

 

What is pap doing to get better?

 

Damn i tink theres something wrong with the way the english is being phased

[daftTrue]

All his talk exactly the same as what we read on papers.

 

They collect the millions. As long as all SOP id being done.

Thats it . We should be satisfy. They can cock up all they want . Its honest mistake. Move on.

After all the min is being done. We got a roof abrove our head. We got rice to eat.

( work 10 hrs per day for that).

(Until 90+ gov still own u money)

 

If ministers have "cock up" continually, you won't even have basic roof over head and any rice to eat.

 

If you are honest with yourself, citizens' wages have risen to such a point that some feel so entitled to continual good lifestyle that lost edge to compete. Any small inconvenience complain and moan and whinge like the world coming to end.

 

The ministers keep saying the world don't owe you a living. So don't expect any of your complainer "buddies" to accept paying more tax to keep you in your lifestyle if you want to take it easy. They are too self-centred and focused on their own lives.

 

Change very easy to demand and going anti-govt seems cool. But when you install your puppet, you won't start to call in favours from the Oppos or TCB?

[Ash2017]

daftTrue

 

I give up, you win and believe what you want to believe

 

 

I just scan through your interacts.

 

Points that prove you wrong, you act blur.

 

 

Discussion and conversation works both ways.

 

 

Many here have good heart and want to give you the benefit of doubt BUT you just play them out with your trolling.

 

 

See you here after the coming GE.

 

 

[daftTrue]

Again, your claim is flawed, why is there selective memory block? Pls clarify. And I say again into your thick head if u cannot comprehend, most if not all opp supporters appreciates and supports what the pap old guards did in the building of this nation together with our pioneers, there is no memory block.

 

Why should I be angry but rather I m amused by your naivety and how you try to justify current pap action n policies. Politics Is ugly. There will be ugly truths in opp, are there not any in pap which they managed very differently? This is called good governance? And u agreed double standard is acceptable?

 

If accountability and ownership is about taking action n resolution without malicious intent, then everyone can be a ministar. Just take the ride on auto pilot n enjoy the scenery while collecting $200 on the Go.

 

So just because you believe pap ministers are not accountable and corrupt, you think Oppos should be given leeway to do the same?

 

Just because you think successful people are out to make your life hard and miserable, so automatically anyone in authority position is evil and corrupt?

 

pap ministers so free that they create policies for malice and their own personal gain?

 

You should check your own bias. You playing blame game, judgmental, you have some jealousy and envy issues.

 

btw not everyone does take ownership of issues and take remedial action effectively. Remember pareto principle and the fact that so many working adults are only average and underperforming in skills and talents.

[Spurman]

Plse discuss with current and up to date facts.

 

re: Mas Selamat. Two ministers took early retirement. Plus Mas Selamat recaptured quick and security improved at prisons. Not enough for you?

 

re: SMRT. Signalling systems and new tracks work done. Plus work on new lines never faltered. And you have to accept that it is poor quality work of the supervisor and blue collar workers that is at issue. But hard to blame low wage citizens, right?

 

re: SAF safety

It was junior officers and men on ground who are slip shod or make mistakes. Ministers and Generals cannot be face-face with the individual soldier holding hands every day, right? Besides, safety SOP also improved, action taken and enforced.

 

re: flood

That orchard rd flood never happened again. Plus Marina Barrage and new canals and even underground huge storage tanks built very quick.

 

Let's see if TCB, using lower standards, can train his team to be "more accountable". Accountable is Ownership and Action.

 

btw how has WP Oppos been accountable to their residents for all the years of the higher MP pay they have accepted?

Good that u r enaging in these dialogues..

 

1. Mas selemat. Whats your defination of being recaptured quickly?

Who recaptured him?

 

2. Mrt jobs. 90percent of the time. Lowest bidders get the project.

2016/17 was the worse yrs for mrt. Recently improved. Kudos to that. Lets see how mrt can compete on reliability still against the very best in the world.

 

3. Flood.

Dun talk cock. Ponding still happens. Some will say flooding.. once again it takes shit to happen that govt then start to take action.

 

4. Saf safety.

Again blame only juniors.

If i opertate my biz like saf. Only blaming my workers and never account the mistakes on my juniors, i lose respect in my industry. I lose respect to my clients.

Which is what saf is doing.

[daftTrue]

Everyone (perception) believes TCB would win a ticket into parliament provided not in LHL, Tharman and a few others backyard.

 

Why everybody so confident?

 

The reason why I question is because:

 

even the 1st EP got screwed by own side, diluting his votes

 

2nd EP, the most sacred constituition can be changed to allow an Indian to be ONLY MALAY PE, disqualify two pure Malay candidates and LEFT ONLY 1 Indian candidate allowed to stand for election who eventually become our MALAY ONLY elected President.

 

So what makes everybody including myself so confident that TCB will get into parliament unless it was designed to allowed TCB in. Could TCB be mole? It is difficult to shake away the party badge. The cohort is different from the past.

 

 

Anybody with ideas?

 

The real issue is that since TCB already said he won't be front runner but be trainer, how many of the complainers here will sign up with his party and be willing to be vetted higher than pap standard.

 

Complaints and talk is cowardly and cheap. Let's see how many make the grade and have the right stuff.

Some say old is gold....... 

 

Apparently gold have different grade..... 9k, 18k, 24k? 

 

After 3 decades of working and you are still as blinded and unenlightened as such....

 

You are entitled to your view points but I don't have to agree with them. 

 

How many elections you go through with the Oppos and how much better have they delivered?

 

How many among the regular complainers in this forum do you think can make the grade in TCB's team? How many will actually step forward to serve?

I went to a restaurant to eat chicken rice.

 

The restaurant manager insisted no chicken rice and only have nasi lemak.

 

When dish is served, I realise it's a nasi bryani.

 

So should the manager and the restaurant be hold accountable for such lousy service?

 

Did you able to read the restaurant name and menu?

 

Maybe you are so "superior" you meant to be born in USA, UK, China or Japan, but you got switched at birth?

[Playtime]

Pap ..

Is like a doctor who your long dead ah kong chose, he fulfils most basic competencies , to varying degrees depending on who you ask.

But.. has proven to be highly dubious in many areas ...even downright malpractice.

 

Question is.. do you give this doctor literally full power of attorney over you and your family?? Because dead ah kong chose?..because someone in Africa no doctor ( What relevance??)??

 

Or do you diversify and seek more opinions?

[daftTrue]

It's because we care for our own country and thus voice concern/suggestions/good things/bad things and etc. If we don't care, we would not even post all these comments here.

 

You can state your opinion but should be responsible to keep yourself current and not spread gossip and rumours and fake news.

 

You also need to be responsible to tell off others who are showing bad behaviour, not pretend to be buddy buddy to avoid bullying.

[Vid]

Plse discuss with current and up to date facts.

 

re: Mas Selamat. Two ministers took early retirement. Plus Mas Selamat recaptured quick and security improved at prisons. Not enough for you?

 

re: SMRT. Signalling systems and new tracks work done. Plus work on new lines never faltered. And you have to accept that it is poor quality work of the supervisor and blue collar workers that is at issue. But hard to blame low wage citizens, right?

 

re: SAF safety

It was junior officers and men on ground who are slip shod or make mistakes. Ministers and Generals cannot be face-face with the individual soldier holding hands every day, right? Besides, safety SOP also improved, action taken and enforced.

 

re: flood

That orchard rd flood never happened again. Plus Marina Barrage and new canals and even underground huge storage tanks built very quick.

 

Let's see if TCB, using lower standards, can train his team to be "more accountable". Accountable is Ownership and Action.

 

btw how has WP Oppos been accountable to their residents for all the years of the higher MP pay they have accepted?

 

Your thinking is exactly what is wrong with top management in the country.

 

You mistook the purpose of the opposition. It is to keep the incumbent on their toes and not sweep issues under the carpet.

 

If you think ownself do, ownself check, ownself praise is the way forward, then good for you. Because that inculcates  complacency, backward, never at fault mentality. Especially the last point since they are never taken to task and can do whatever they want with shoddy justifications.

 

This is my last post to you. If you can't see this leading to problems in the future, well, there's nothing to say to you anymore.