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Carpark that only accept cashcard (with chip)

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Knoobie

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Let me try to answer your question. There are basically 2 types of cards in use. Cash card (with chip) and CEPAS card, contactless type. So, inorder or car park to read both cards and the charging, they need 2 different machines. LTA of course does that for all their ERP, haha.

 

Older carparks may not want to incurr cost to install these new readers and charging unit because they revenue from car parking is low. Unless cash card is phased out, they then got no choice. That is unlikely to happen soon. It involves replacing thousands of old IU in cars registered more than 10 years ago. Next generation IU still need to charge through a prepaid card system. Unless they decide to bill owner at the end of the month. Then you still cannot solve private car park.

 

Immigration of course got both readers lah. Cash cows how not to install?

 

no offense but can I clarify on your source of information? 

 

it seems to me that the reader only communicates with the IU to get the inserted cash card info. it is the software behind that handles the transaction etc. and potentially the software was not updated to recognize contactless cash card. hence the reader doesn't seems to be required for a upgrade in this case. i may be wrong nevertheless.

 

anyway.. some carpark i frequent the system also quite emo.. today can accept contactless. tomorrow may not..

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Kusje

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Let me try to answer your question. There are basically 2 types of cards in use. Cash card (with chip) and CEPAS card, contactless type. So, inorder or car park to read both cards and the charging, they need 2 different machines. LTA of course does that for all their ERP, haha.

 

Older carparks may not want to incurr cost to install these new readers and charging unit because they revenue from car parking is low. Unless cash card is phased out, they then got no choice. That is unlikely to happen soon. It involves replacing thousands of old IU in cars registered more than 10 years ago. Next generation IU still need to charge through a prepaid card system. Unless they decide to bill owner at the end of the month. Then you still cannot solve private car park.

 

Immigration of course got both readers lah. Cash cows how not to install?

Iu replacement will happen soon.

 

Together to the move with gps erp (which also comes with automatic fines for speeding).

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WaydwayneSG

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The rental cost and per transaction charges maybe a problem for small business owners.

 

Also going cashless will be problem for old people who don't know how to use smartphone and people who don't own a handphone, you'll be surprised that there are still people who don't own a handphone in Singapore.

 

The transaction charges should be borne by MAS - the alternative, handling cash, is a much higher charge for everyone, including MAS. (and don't get me started on cheques)

 

Or even more radically, basically accept SGD as a digital currency. Of course it already effectively is in some ways.

 

Very fair point regarding elderly people, although many of them are perfectly able to use an ezlink card & most of them wouldn't be driving a car anyway. You're right, cash will probably be required to some degree in the current generation.

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Victor68

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no offense but can I clarify on your source of information?

 

it seems to me that the reader only communicates with the IU to get the inserted cash card info. it is the software behind that handles the transaction etc. and potentially the software was not updated to recognize contactless cash card. hence the reader doesn't seems to be required for a upgrade in this case. i may be wrong nevertheless.

 

anyway.. some carpark i frequent the system also quite emo.. today can accept contactless. tomorrow may not..

I believe you are referring to the antenna. Yes antenna reads the IU but that info will then be fed intonthe different card reader to deduct the charges. There are 2 card systems operated by different parties. Therefore the charging units are also.different. car park operators need to pay separate fees to process these charges. Hope I am correct.
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Beehive3783

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If don't know, just say don't know. Don't anyhow bomb.

 

NETS have 3 types of cards

 

- 1st gen cashcard, otherwise known as "chipped" card in here

- Contactless cashcard, CEPAS compliant

- Flashpay card, CEPAS compliant

 

All of the above can be used in 2nd gen IU. But only 1st gen cashcard can be used in 1st gen IU.

 

NETS topup terminals can top up all of the above cards.

 

In addition, EZlink card, which is also CEPAS compliant, can also be used in 2nd gen IU. But cannot be topped up at NETS top up terminal.

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Knoobie

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I believe you are referring to the antenna. Yes antenna reads the IU but that info will then be fed intonthe different card reader to deduct the charges. There are 2 card systems operated by different parties. Therefore the charging units are also.different. car park operators need to pay separate fees to process these charges. Hope I am correct.

Yes i am referring to the antenna. Which do not require a hardware change.

 

As others pointed out, they are actually coming from the same coy.

 

I don't think they need "charging units" within to perform the transaction. It sounds rather weird. Should be just some software instead.

 

Again, I may be wrong.

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Victor68

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Yes i am referring to the antenna. Which do not require a hardware change.

 

As others pointed out, they are actually coming from the same coy.

 

I don't think they need "charging units" within to perform the transaction. It sounds rather weird. Should be just some software instead.

 

Again, I may be wrong.

This is just a chit chat  forum and we all learn from each other. However, it is still good to know more for general knowledge. I also hope I learn more from people who knows better.

 

There is currently only 1 merchant for NETS and another merchant for ezlink card. Both are stored value card. These are proprietary cards and operating using different system and thus required different hardware. ezlink card is CEPAS compliance. I am not sure if NETS or any other merchant issue any CEPAS compliance card. They would have to link up somewhere. 

 

Electronic Parking System (EPS) looks simple but they do have challenges. Although the respective car park deduct the cash transaction directly from your cash/Ezlink card as you exit, the money was not transferred directly into your bank account live. It goes into the respective card merchant system within the EPS. The transactions are then uploaded to the respective merchant in batches during off peak hours. Merchant will then transfer money into your account from their HQ. That is why they are using different charging unit to capture the different card transaction. Otherwise it is so simple to just add a CEPAS reader at the exit point for you to tap like you enter the MRT station. I hope I got this right and do appreciate if there are new developments. 

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Yoongf

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Some carpk operators do not hv an account with ezlink, which is owned by LTA and totally seperate from NETS.

 

Therefore, a ezlink card acting as a cashcard in an IU will not work. Even winding down window and tapping on the contactless reader will not work.

 

Then some older carpk terminals simply do not hv Any contactless reader, which further complicates the whole issue.

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Mcking

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The biggest "culprit" is at the Woodland and Tuas checkpoints, not carparks. :pissed-off:

 

hi,

 

Actually, you can use the CEPAS ezlink card at both woodland/tuas check point. I have been doing that for the past 1 over years without any issue. ( there is no need to remember keep the card on which direction ).

 

Recently i drove into Arena Country Club, 511 Upper Jurong Road, 638366 without any chip cash card and unable to exit. Luckily there is someone behind borrowed cash card for me. The funny thing is the charges supposed to SGD2.7 but not sure how the system works and suddenly double become SGD5.4 . 

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Extremme

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Is there a way to tell upon entry if their machine is using the old chip type or flash type? Shouldn’t they start upgrading their system? It’s a pain

 

One more to add to the list is the Taman Jurong Hawker Centre (spiral carpark). It only accept chip cash card. A lot of Drivers got caught and was scrambling.

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Dafansu

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Where do you guys still managed to get the chipped one? I went few places and all told me no more production

 

7-eleven, buzz convenience stores. 

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