Johor Bahru-Singapore RTS link

[Evillusion]

Destroy the royal family? How? Sodomy charges for all the males...oops.

[Sosaria]

ya....something along the lines you mentioned! Both parties are treading on dangerous grounds with tmj accepting he challenge and the sultan playing mindgames with atok....very bad scenario if this is played out with not only one party losing big time.......

I read the Malaysian elites' style of using bahasa plus english interchangeably in one sentence, until I get headache

 

Anyway yes it is a dangerous game both sides are playing pitting the simple traditional folk as pawns against each other.

 

On one hand you have the intellectual elites trying to uplift their society by urging them to embrace modernity fully and abandon outdated mindset i.e. feudalism - where simple kampong folk still unthinkingly subservient to datoks, YBs, royals, boss-ku. I think this is Tun M agenda, which is a good thing if he is sincere about it without other underlying motives.

[Evillusion]

I read the Malaysian elites' style of using bahasa plus english interchangeably in one sentence, until I get headache

 

Anyway yes it is a dangerous game both sides are playing pitting the simple traditional folk as pawns against each other.

 

On one hand you have the intellectual elites trying to uplift their society by urging them to embrace modernity fully and abandon outdated mindset i.e. feudalism - where simple kampong folk still unthinkingly subservient to datoks, YBs, royals, boss-ku. I think this is Tun M agenda, which is a good thing if he is sincere about it without other underlying motives.

its the Malay psyche.......more apropriately its the Nusantara psyche. The king, Raja and Sultan is our identity, it wont be abandoned easily and hey.....its proven time and again when one monarch is taken out, a leader will try to asserts and make his family lineage the next leader. We can name a few right in this region and beyond. So most would rather have the royal lineage of the kings rule over them instead of one whose lineage is suspect. One thing for sure.....the life of the commoners there are not getting any better with more woes so at least as the King he does have the right to voice his worries when he sees his subjects and country is seen as being given a rough ride by atok.

[Carbon82]

Singapore agrees to suspend construction of RTS Link at Malaysia's request

 

 

SINGAPORE: Singapore has agreed to suspend the construction of the Johor Bahru-Singapore Rapid Transit System (RTS) Link until Sep 30 at Malaysia's request, Singapore Transport Minister Khaw Boon Wan said on Tuesday (May 21).

 

Under a supplemental agreement signed between both governments on Tuesday, Malaysia will also reimburse Singapore for the abortive costs incurred due to the suspension, Mr Khaw said during a press conference with his Malaysian counterpart, Mr Anthony Loke.

 

Mr Khaw said that after several rounds of discussions, both sides reached a “mutually acceptable arrangement” on the way forward.

 

During the suspension period, Malaysia will decide if it intends to proceed with the RTS Link project as it is. Malaysia can also propose changes to the project scope, and Singapore will give any such changes due consideration, he added.

 

“We hope that the RTS Link project will resume at the end of the suspension period – either in its current form as prescribed in the RTS bilateral agreement or incorporating any project scope changes that both sides agree on during the suspension period,” Mr Khaw said.

 

If not, the project will be deemed to have been terminated by Malaysia, and Malaysia will reimburse Singapore for the costs incurred in fulfilling its RTS Link obligations until now, he said. 

 

The RTS Link, which connects Bukit Chagar in Johor Bahru to Woodlands in Singapore, is expected to ferry up to 10,000 passengers per hour each way.

 

The project was meant to be completed by 2024, but is now behind schedule with Malaysia repeatedly delaying confirmation of its joint venture partner.

 

According to a bilateral agreement signed in January last year, a joint venture company comprising Singapore’s SMRT and Malaysia’s Prasarana Malaysia should have been constituted by Jun 30 last year.

 

The joint venture company should also have been appointed as the RTS Link operator (OpCo) through a Concession Agreement with Singapore's Land Transport Authority and the government of Malaysia by Sep 30, 2018.

 

Both milestones were missed. Malaysia then asked for an extension until Mar 31, to confirm its joint venture partner.

 

Early last month, Putrajaya said it has requested for a further six-month extension from Singapore before making a decision on the RTS. This will enable the Malaysian government to examine several issues including the cost of implementing the project, said Malaysian Transport Minister Anthony Loke.

 

Singapore expressed understanding for Malaysia’s position and both attorneys-general were tasked to work out a supplemental agreement to give effect to the suspension, similar to the process for suspending the Kuala Lumpur-Singapore High-Speed Rail.

 

“We will approach this issue as we did for the suspension of the High-Speed Rail project, with goodwill and reasonable accommodation," Mr Khaw said on Apr 8.

 

[Soya]

Ah khaw kor kor wasting his time w these joyriders lah

 

Let those clowns settle their (many) internal quarrels w TMJ, umno, PH, PAS, MCA, crooked bridge cronies and then show us the $$ first b4 they cum knock on our doors

[Victor68]

Simple causeway crossing take hours to clear. Really need that long to stamp a passport or just being political? Whatever rail will not improve if the attitude is bad lah.

 

To me, it is not the number of bridges lah, if custom can clear fast, no jams on the bridges. Can always increase counters and holding areas.

[Kusje]

Actualli hor, if just 30% of msian workers realli abandon their bikes n take RTS in and hop onto MRT at Woodlands North, the morning peak hour MRT will be unbearable

 

So better save our own $$ n dun build better. Just improve the frequency of the KTM train from CIQ can liao

 

I think it is difficult to increase frequency because it is only 1 track (cannot travel both ways). Also, the demand is only during peak period so no pt buying extra trains.

Yes. The Thomson line is already there. Without significant traffic from Woodlands North, its going to be underutilised as the NS corridor density is limited due to sembawang airbase and the multiple camps from nee soon camp onwards.

They been running this train for so many years. The last time I take is 19 years ago. I doubt anything has changed in that time lol

 

Last time was better. Can take all the way from Tanjong Pagar to KL.... Now gotta go to woodlands and gotta change train in Johor.

[Kusje]

 

Singapore agrees to suspend construction of RTS Link at Malaysia's request

 

 

SINGAPORE: Singapore has agreed to suspend the construction of the Johor Bahru-Singapore Rapid Transit System (RTS) Link until Sep 30 at Malaysia's request, Singapore Transport Minister Khaw Boon Wan said on Tuesday (May 21).

 

Under a supplemental agreement signed between both governments on Tuesday, Malaysia will also reimburse Singapore for the abortive costs incurred due to the suspension, Mr Khaw said during a press conference with his Malaysian counterpart, Mr Anthony Loke.

 

Mr Khaw said that after several rounds of discussions, both sides reached a “mutually acceptable arrangement” on the way forward.

 

During the suspension period, Malaysia will decide if it intends to proceed with the RTS Link project as it is. Malaysia can also propose changes to the project scope, and Singapore will give any such changes due consideration, he added.

 

“We hope that the RTS Link project will resume at the end of the suspension period – either in its current form as prescribed in the RTS bilateral agreement or incorporating any project scope changes that both sides agree on during the suspension period,” Mr Khaw said.

 

If not, the project will be deemed to have been terminated by Malaysia, and Malaysia will reimburse Singapore for the costs incurred in fulfilling its RTS Link obligations until now, he said. 

 

The RTS Link, which connects Bukit Chagar in Johor Bahru to Woodlands in Singapore, is expected to ferry up to 10,000 passengers per hour each way.

 

The project was meant to be completed by 2024, but is now behind schedule with Malaysia repeatedly delaying confirmation of its joint venture partner.

 

According to a bilateral agreement signed in January last year, a joint venture company comprising Singapore’s SMRT and Malaysia’s Prasarana Malaysia should have been constituted by Jun 30 last year.

 

The joint venture company should also have been appointed as the RTS Link operator (OpCo) through a Concession Agreement with Singapore's Land Transport Authority and the government of Malaysia by Sep 30, 2018.

 

Both milestones were missed. Malaysia then asked for an extension until Mar 31, to confirm its joint venture partner.

 

Early last month, Putrajaya said it has requested for a further six-month extension from Singapore before making a decision on the RTS. This will enable the Malaysian government to examine several issues including the cost of implementing the project, said Malaysian Transport Minister Anthony Loke.

 

Singapore expressed understanding for Malaysia’s position and both attorneys-general were tasked to work out a supplemental agreement to give effect to the suspension, similar to the process for suspending the Kuala Lumpur-Singapore High-Speed Rail.

 

“We will approach this issue as we did for the suspension of the High-Speed Rail project, with goodwill and reasonable accommodation," Mr Khaw said on Apr 8.

 

 

Heng ah.

 

Otherwise more suffering ahead for singaporeans.

[Fitvip]

Ah khaw kor kor wasting his time w these joyriders lah

 

Let those clowns settle their (many) internal quarrels w TMJ, umno, PH, PAS, MCA, crooked bridge cronies and then show us the $$ first b4 they cum knock on our doors

Suspend or terminate, by all means! Just make them pay the dues!

[Didu]

The former MY administration already planned for BRT across JB and connects to Bukit Chagar RTS station. Just google IMBRT. When they can make it into reality of course is a different question like everything else. Woodlands North station already building is linked to the new MRT Thomson line.

 

You're right! Below news article talked about it over the weekend:

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/forget-lrt-johor-wants-to-beat-jams-with-brt

 

Our island is land scarce, freezing up a few hectares here and there due to project-in-limbo might be a good way to mess up its development master plan.

[Soya]

Simple causeway crossing take hours to clear. Really need that long to stamp a passport or just being political? Whatever rail will not improve if the attitude is bad lah.

 

To me, it is not the number of bridges lah, if custom can clear fast, no jams on the bridges. Can always increase counters and holding areas.

Increase number of counters for kastam encik to chop passport faster won't benefit cronies pockets lah

 

RTS only 2 tracks. Maciam value set lunch w one plate rice and one cup of kopi. Cronies see oso sian

 

Crooked bridge....whoaaaa. Can build 10 lanes. Purposely climb high high zig zag long long. Maciam long buffet line w something for everyone. Cronies salivate liao

[Victor68]

That is the problem when the agendas are not to resolve practical issues. Same with normal office politics

[Jman888]

Only if they can build an immigration terminal/transit hall big enough (like airport terminal) and once check in they can board any train that frequent two stations with maybe 5-10 minutes interval like the mrt.

[Soya]

Suspend or terminate, by all means! Just make them pay the dues!

Terminate better lah. Better for ah khaw kor kor to focus his energies on building a better reliable MRT, LRT, bus, phv system for us to benefit from instead of wasting time on these broke, kampong joyriders who are trying to game the system for their own benefit

[Wt_know]

Only if they can build an immigration terminal/transit hall big enough (like airport terminal) and once check in they can board any train that frequent two stations with maybe 5-10 minutes interval like the mrt.

that why taking train in europe is so damn easy

train zoom country to country without immigration

the problem is never the train too slow or crowded (this one can solve with more trains)

the bottleneck is always border control

and with heighten security ... we need tighter control

no one can put a cart before the horse to make it go faster

i am skeptical that even we have train/mrt/lrt depart and arrive every 5-10mins ... the ica on both sides cannot cope

Edited May 21, 2019 by Wt_know

[Fitvip]

Terminate better lah. Better for ah khaw kor kor to focus his energies on building a better reliable MRT, LRT, bus, phv system for us to benefit from instead of wasting time on these broke, kampong joyriders who are trying to game the system for their own benefit

 

Ya,with that type of leaders, shake head!

[Angcheek]

The old horse is measuring the pro and cons again .... to him , this RTS project benefit SG more than MY. And he is correct . 

 

At the same time, he dont wan to lose some of the control, MANPOWER . Over 1M msian come over to work everyday .  

[Soya]

That is the problem when the agendas are not to resolve practical issues. Same with normal office politics

The onli 'new' thing abt this 'new msia'is a new set of cronies lined up to benefit from the leakage$.. Now got extended dateline to sep to see who can give best offer beyond 10%...hosay liao