2019 12th Gen Toyota Corolla Sedan

[Twich]

37 minutes ago, Cheefarn said:

I had both 3ZZ-FE and 1ZZ-FE... sigh... u guys really assumed too much.... 

And yes I got the 1st batch of G9 Altis 1.8 in SG. Bought it without test drive... 

Upgraded to 1.8 only becos the then 1.6E fit n finish was noticeably worse than my Hipporolla, and then no point changing to another same car again. 

Anyway I got the 5MT Hipporolla, something youngsters these days cannot even handle due to their Class 3A licence. But to those who could and value real driving experience, you will find today's G12 CVT is just a total waste of time. 

I have driven my 1st car Nissan Sunny for 5 years. Later, I switched to Toyota Picnic for 9.5 years. Then, I switched to Toyota Corolla Altis for 4.5 years. Now, I am driving 1.4 months Kia SX Cerato.

All these cars never give me any issue.

I value my efforts that I could afford my cars. And I value my cars. Whereby, I could send or pickup my loved ones from school or office.

Edited January 29, 2020 by Twich

[Cheefarn]

4 minutes ago, Ingenius said:

I beg to differ.  Nowadays CVT are getting very good, and I am driving one on a Subaru (partially owned by Toyota).  You have been saying CVTs are terrible, but fails to learn that CVTs are already a mature and tested transmission.  It is not good keep harping on how bad CVTs are, just to prove your point about how all cars should not use CVT and it is bound for failure, which turns out to be wrong all the while.  

 

And is the part on " I got the 5MT.., something youngsters cannot even handle.." even necessary ?  You should try to have some humility in your postings.  This is what is irking, just saying.  No offence.  Btw, I have known you since before MCF. 

If CVT is that good, then why wasn't it used in large SUVs or pickups where heavy towing is required? Why don't we see CVT in exotic cars or high powered vehicles? Even Toyota itself doesnt do CVT in their reg gasoline powered Lexus. 

Whatever la, now I know MCF posts needs to follow the what the majority wants to read. Any polarizing opposing views are immediately ridiculed upon. 

And well I do not remember who you are so it doesn't matter. 🙂    

[Ingenius]

2 minutes ago, Cheefarn said:

If CVT is that good, then why wasn't it used in large SUVs or pickups where heavy towing is required? Why don't we see CVT in exotic cars or high powered vehicles? Even Toyota itself doesnt do CVT in their reg gasoline powered Lexus. 

Whatever la, now I know MCF posts needs to follow the what the majority wants to read. Any polarizing opposing views are immediately ridiculed upon. 

And well I do not remember who you are so it doesn't matter. 🙂    

CF, somebody of your mind and experience, surely can understand that, it doesn't mean if CVT is good, it should then be used in all types of cars, right ?  Surely you know better, there is no one size fits all.  When I knew you way before MCF, you were condemning CVT and it is doomed to fail.  If it indeed turns out to be so, the Japanese wouldn't be making and selling them to be the top car makers liao.   I feel it is just you are too arrogant and fixated.

 

Actually it is not that all are against your views, it is just the way you are condemning everything that is different from your belief, and how you make the ADs and car maker like Toyota sound so stupid, while you are above them all.

[Toeknee_33]

14 minutes ago, Ingenius said:

CF, somebody of your mind and experience, surely can understand that, it doesn't mean if CVT is good, it should then be used in all types of cars, right ?  Surely you know better, there is no one size fits all.  When I knew you way before MCF, you were condemning CVT and it is doomed to fail.  If it indeed turns out to be so, the Japanese wouldn't be making and selling them to be the top car makers liao.   I feel it is just you are too arrogant and fixated.

 

Actually it is not that all are against your views, it is just the way you are condemning everything that is different from your belief, and how you make the ADs and car maker like Toyota sound so stupid, while you are above them all.

You couldn't have said it better! Arrogant, fixated and lack of humility are the key traits that is irking people here.

Maybe we should set up a poll and ask what MCF-ers think of him. LOL! 

[Toeknee_33]

33 minutes ago, Cheefarn said:

If CVT is that good, then why wasn't it used in large SUVs or pickups where heavy towing is required? Why don't we see CVT in exotic cars or high powered vehicles? Even Toyota itself doesnt do CVT in their reg gasoline powered Lexus.

🙂

Don't embarrass yourself again. Check what transmission does the Lexus UX200 use. 

[Watwheels]

44 minutes ago, Ingenius said:

CF, somebody of your mind and experience, surely can understand that, it doesn't mean if CVT is good, it should then be used in all types of cars, right ?  Surely you know better, there is no one size fits all.  When I knew you way before MCF, you were condemning CVT and it is doomed to fail.  If it indeed turns out to be so, the Japanese wouldn't be making and selling them to be the top car makers liao.   I feel it is just you are too arrogant and fixated.

 

Actually it is not that all are against your views, it is just the way you are condemning everything that is different from your belief, and how you make the ADs and car maker like Toyota sound so stupid, while you are above them all.

Aiya, forget it lah. It's not easy to change the mindset of others.

I too do not favour the cvt until I am driving one now. LoL... The RAV4 I'm driving now is a "hybrid" cvt. The first gear is a real gear pinion while the rest of the 9 gears are virutal or belt drive. This actually eliminates the sluggishness when moving off from a standstill, this is what ppl dont like in a regular cvt gb.

I agree with you. Technology do not stay as they are but actually move forward. Things do continuously improve.

As for Cheefarn, like many things CVTs have their limits. Most of the time is torque. I believe gb are chosen to be used according to the torque figures.

Lexus and other luxury makes do use CVTs but in their hybrid cars/suvs for fuel economy reasons. Engines running on Atkinson cycle the torque figures are low.

For other SUVs which is 4 wheel driven so far only planetary autos are suitable when mated to the 4 wheel drive transmission.

I dont usually get fixated on engine and gb all the time. Ultimately you must learn to enjoy what you drive. The car will never be perfect. Ppl also buy according to what they like to see in a car. It's a matter of weighing the pros and cons. It doesn't mean one thing you dont like it will get ruin for others. Other ppl got their own personal preference. You have to respect that.

Just like why I dont choose the 2.0L turbo Harrier over the RAV4. Power isn't everything. I also dont like the fact BM repackage an old car with power and sell it at a premium. This kinda power dont win you trophies. I go for lower fuel economy over power. Can save money. LoL...

Edited January 29, 2020 by Watwheels

[Sugimoto]

2 hours ago, RogerNg_185295 said:

Ya ya....

Good boy! *pet pet*

[Theoldjaffa]

5 hours ago, Cheefarn said:

I had both 3ZZ-FE and 1ZZ-FE... sigh... u guys really assumed too much.... 

And yes I got the 1st batch of G9 Altis 1.8 in SG. Bought it without test drive... 

Upgraded to 1.8 only becos the then 1.6E fit n finish was noticeably worse than my Hipporolla, and then no point changing to another same car again. 

Anyway I got the 5MT Hipporolla, something youngsters these days cannot even handle due to their Class 3A licence. But to those who could and value real driving experience, you will find today's G12 CVT is just a total waste of time. 

Those who value real driving experience will buy a Malubu  

[Theoldjaffa]

4 hours ago, Ingenius said:

CF, somebody of your mind and experience, surely can understand that, it doesn't mean if CVT is good, it should then be used in all types of cars, right ?  Surely you know better, there is no one size fits all.  When I knew you way before MCF, you were condemning CVT and it is doomed to fail.  If it indeed turns out to be so, the Japanese wouldn't be making and selling them to be the top car makers liao.   I feel it is just you are too arrogant and fixated.

 

Actually it is not that all are against your views, it is just the way you are condemning everything that is different from your belief, and how you make the ADs and car maker like Toyota sound so stupid, while you are above them all.

I’d like to give you 888 likes for this post! 👍👍👍

[RogerNg_185295]

9 minutes ago, Theoldjaffa said:

Those who value real driving experience will buy a Malubu  

Drive this very malu?

[SiLangKia]

51 minutes ago, Theoldjaffa said:

Those who value real driving experience will buy a Malubu  

I think someone is infected with the Novel Corollavirus (2019-NCORV)

Symptoms include (and are not limited to):

1. The incessant need to diss the corolla and its CVT transmission

2. The inability to correctly identify the correct engines in cars (eg Lexus, Toyota, Mercedes)

3. The tendency to create imaginary engine combinations for cars (eg 1.5 3 cylinder mercedes or smth similar)

4. The lack of ability to understand why a 1.6l engine is necessary in some SE asian markets SG

5. The delusion that korean made american branded cars are reliable and superior to everything else

I think this one need 14 day quarantine from MCF and should be locked inside 33 Leng Kee road quarantine facility hahahahaha (without the $100 allowance🤣)

Edited January 29, 2020 by SiLangKia

[Theoldjaffa]

18 minutes ago, SiLangKia said:

I think someone is affected by the Novel Corollavirus (2019-NCORV)

Symptoms include (and are not limited to):

1. The incessant need to diss the corolla and its CVT transmission

2. The inability to correctly identify the correct engines in cars (eg Lexus, Toyota, Mercedes)

3. The tendency to create imaginary engine combinations for cars (eg 1.5 3 cylinder mercedes or smth similar)

4. The lack of ability to understand why a 1.6l engine is necessary in some SE asian markets SG

5. The delusion that korean made american branded cars are reliable and superior to everything else

I think this one need 14 day quarantine from MCF and should be locked inside 33 Leng Kee road quarantine facility hahahahaha (without the $100 allowance🤣)

6. If chicken rice is so good, why isn’t everyone eating chicken rice?

 

adapted from “

If CVT is that good, then why wasn't it used in large SUVs or pickups where heavy towing is required? Why don't we see CVT in exotic cars or high powered vehicles?”

[SiLangKia]

17 minutes ago, Theoldjaffa said:

6. If chicken rice is so good, why isn’t everyone eating chicken rice?

 

adapted from “

If CVT is that good, then why wasn't it used in large SUVs or pickups where heavy towing is required? Why don't we see CVT in exotic cars or high powered vehicles?”

cos if too many eat 鸡饭 they might become white chicken 🤣

Edited January 29, 2020 by SiLangKia

[RogerNg_185295]

Why are we feeding the troll @Cheefarn

Can we be sensible enough and discuss about the altis instead?

[Toeknee_33]

2 hours ago, SiLangKia said:

I think someone is infected with the Novel Corollavirus (2019-NCORV)

Symptoms include (and are not limited to):

1. The incessant need to diss the corolla and its CVT transmission

2. The inability to correctly identify the correct engines in cars (eg Lexus, Toyota, Mercedes)

3. The tendency to create imaginary engine combinations for cars (eg 1.5 3 cylinder mercedes or smth similar)

4. The lack of ability to understand why a 1.6l engine is necessary in some SE asian markets SG

5. The delusion that korean made american branded cars are reliable and superior to everything else

I think this one need 14 day quarantine from MCF and should be locked inside 33 Leng Kee road quarantine facility hahahahaha (without the $100 allowance🤣)

LOL! Your post laugh die me leh! LOL!

Can I add another symptom?

6. Obsessed with the thought that the Opel Insignia is designed and engineered by USA GM and can do century sprint in 6 seconds!

[Sugimoto]

7. Posting fake infomation & expect everyone listen to him. Will whine arrogantly at people who corrected him.

[Twich]

Car Review - Toyota Corolla Altis 1.6 Elegance (A)

Built on the TNGA platform, the new Toyota Corolla Altis delivers better ride comfort and improved safety, while retaining its hallmark practicality and ease of use.

29 Jan 2020

The Toyota Corolla Altis is about as ubiquitous a car in Singapore as they come. Everyone knows someone who owns one. It's not surprising, of course, since the Corolla is the best selling car in the world, having moved more than 44 million units since its introduction in 1966.

This here is the new 12th generation model, and one thing is for sure - it's going to be a best-seller once more. But, is it actually any good? 

Shedding new light
 

The new Altis sports a sharp and sporty new front fascia

The Altis now sports a more contemporary styling, with sharper lines, more angular details and a greater overall sleekness. It's not a beautiful car by any means, but it's a tad less bland-looking than before. In this Elegance trim, you also get LED head and taillights.

The quality of the interior is slightly improved, though it struggles to match up to competitor models like the new Mazda3. Some Korean models also offer better equipment levels, such as an auto-hold function and ventilated seats. The locally fitted infotainment system only has audio capabilities, which means that changing various system settings require you to dive into menus on the 7.0-inch multimedia display in the dashboard.
 

The 7.0-inch multimedia display in the dashboard can be used to display a variety of information

Thankfully, the practicality and straightforward nature of the Altis has changed - there's a Nanoe Auto-climate air-con and rear air-con vents, good amounts of space for rear passengers, and a 475-litre boot. The overall levels of comfort and quality are reasonable, if unspectacular.

We did have one notable gripe about the car's locking system, though. You have to manually unlock the car (by pressing the unlock button) to allow your passengers to enter or exit the car. This is even the case when the car is put into park, and even after you have turned off the engine. This came to be rather annoying, especially considering a 12-year old FD Civic already automatically unlocks all doors when you put it into 'P'. 

Beneath the skin
 

The Dynamic Cruise Control function is very useful for highway driving

Where the Altis has made notable improvements is under the skin. Built on the Toyota New Global Architecture (TNGA) platform, the car is notably more comfortable and solid to drive. The newly developed front and rear suspension do a good job of soaking up bumps in the road, while also endowing the Altis with cornering agility you won't find in the previous generation model.

There's also more weight to the steering, and the car demonstrates much better body control in corners. It feels more hefty and attached to the tarmac, and sheds the vague lightness of its predecessor.

The TNGA application also means that the Altis is equipped with a range of safety and assistance systems. Dynamic Cruise Control and Lane Departure Warning with Steering Assistant are certainly useful. And, with seven SRS airbags, vehicle stability control and a blind-spot monitoring system, the Altis also ticks all the right boxes as far as occupant safety is concerned.
 

The 1.6-litre powerplant is reasonably efficient - we managed 13.3km/L over five days of driving

Powering the Altis is a 1.6-litre naturally aspirated powerplant producing a modest 129bhp and 159Nm of torque, effectively unchanged from its predecessor. It's not a particularly peppy or quick car - 0-100km/h takes a leisurely 12.9 seconds. There is some improvement in drivetrain refinement, but overall it's still a functional if unremarkable package.

Driven in an unhurried manner, the new Altis delivers solid fuel economy - over the entire Lunar New Year period, we managed to clock 13.3km/L having covered 457km in five and a half days.

One point of note - there's definitely a centimetre or two of dead travel at the top of the brake pedal’s travel, so you need to be a little more robust with your brake application. 

A solid choice
 

The new Corolla Altis brings added refinement to a familiar and successful formula

Overall, the car is certainly an improved package, with its sharpened styling, more refined drive, and new technology. Is it still the no-brainer choice for an affordable compact family sedan? That's a little bit more complicated.

For its asking price of $102,888, there are several alternative options that you could seriously consider. The Kia Cerato, Honda Civic and Hyundai Avante are all cheaper. The Mazda3 is more expensive, but you're paying for additional equipment, quality and polish. And for the same money, you can even consider a Skoda Octavia.

The new Corolla Altis doesn't make monumental leaps forward from its predecessor. Yes, the new safety systems and improved ride comfort are notable, but most buyers of the Altis are looking for the long-term reliability, familiarity and ease of use that Toyota is renowned for. This new Altis won't disappoint

[noobcarbuyer]

21 minutes ago, Twich said:

Car Review - Toyota Corolla Altis 1.6 Elegance (A)

Built on the TNGA platform, the new Toyota Corolla Altis delivers better ride comfort and improved safety, while retaining its hallmark practicality and ease of use.

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We did have one notable gripe about the car's locking system, though. You have to manually unlock the car (by pressing the unlock button) to allow your passengers to enter or exit the car. This is even the case when the car is put into park, and even after you have turned off the engine. This came to be rather annoying, especially considering a 12-year old FD Civic already automatically unlocks all doors when you put it into 'P'. 
 

Is this reviewer new to Toyota vehicles?

Shouldn't the staff at BM have showed him how to do this?

Failing which, the reviewer should just refer to the owner's instruction book! 

Perhaps the he is so used to other brands having the vehicle functions controlled from the infotainment system / console that he can't comprehend Toyota's retro 90's system of controlling auto door functions by a complicated sequence of steps involving the gear shift, door lock button and a stop watch.