2019 12th Gen Toyota Corolla Sedan

[Twich]

57 minutes ago, Cheefarn said:

Told u guys liao lor... U cannot expect a great car when you've got such wheezy and backward engine choice in this part of the world. 

Rem, even the 1.8L Altis as sold everywhere in this part of the world is considered weak by today's standards... our 1.6L will be a total goner, and it sure is... 

Also not helping is the OMFG CVT.... CVT does nothing except zapping away power from your engine. 

The competition has certainly catch up and completely overtaken Toyota. Don't kid anyone here into believing that SMLJ TNGA is a game changer. The new chassis made the G12 smaller than G11... and it is never a good thing to downsize in today's world where every model change gets u a bigger and wider car. 

Having a full rear IRS doesn't mean anything if u have barely enough power to to turn the wheels over. 

In today's automotive climate where people go for large SUVs, the least Toyota can do is to offer highly desirable sedans to try to steer buyers back to sedans. As it stands now seriously, who would choose the Corolla over well established and much better designed/engineered brands for the same or just abit more money?

Hello sir, your mind set has just sat in Singapore little tiny market.

Toyota Corolla has sold more than 330,000 units in China for the year of 2019.

If I not wrong, the latest 1.8L Corolla was launched in China in late September 2019. And it has sold 33,000 units per month.

Do not forget. Toyota has 2 most successful SUV. The Highlander and RAV4.

Most importantly, there is another world most successful model Camry. Very successful in China and America. More than 600,000 Camry has been sold in America in 2019.

Do not forget the luxury division of Toyota Lexus.

Lexus sales in China has increased by nearly 18%.

Singapore will not get the latest car model compare with other major car market.

Edited January 28, 2020 by Twich

[Cheefarn]

3 minutes ago, Twich said:

Hello sir, your mind set has just sat in Singapore little tiny market.

Toyota Corolla has sold more than 330,000 units in China for the year of 2019.

If I not wrong, the latest 1.8L Corolla was launched in China in late September 2019. And it has sold 33,000 units per month.

Do not forget. Toyota have 2 most successful SUV. The Highlander and RAV4.

Most importantly, there is another world most successful model Camry. Very successful in China and America.

Yes my opinion is refers the local or at least SE Asia market, where Toyota purposely used the old dual VVTi 1.6/1.8L instead of their new 2L Dynamic Force engine as found in the Rav4.

That 2L engine would be a much preferred choice. 

Toyota is successful in the western markets becos they were forced to use the best drivetrain and designs they have to keep up with the competition. 

In this part of the world, Toyota sells the badge will do. This is why POS models eg Avanza, Innova etc can still sell even though these models are not available in SG

 

[Theoldjaffa]

8 minutes ago, Twich said:

Hello sir, your mind set has just sat in Singapore little tiny market.

Toyota Corolla has sold more than 330,000 units in China for the year of 2019.

If I not wrong, the latest 1.8L Corolla was launched in China in late September 2019. And it has sold 33,000 units per month.

Do not forget. Toyota have 2 most successful SUV. The Highlander and RAV4.

Most importantly, there is another world most successful model Camry. Very successful in China and America. More than 600,000 Camry has been sold in America in 2019.

Do not forget the luxury division of Toyota Lexus.

Lexus sales in China has increased by nearly 18%.

Singapore will not get the latest car model compare with other major car market.

Don’t need to respond to him lah. No words can get thru his skull cos he’s just so adamant that Toyotas are pieces of shit while his Korean cars are the best.

look at his posts here, he has no credibility at all lah. Most of the time just spewing disdain or putting imaginary engines inside other cars.

he’s like a local small town school janitor who tHinks he’s the discipline master of the whole country’s schools.

just skip his posts can liao  

[RadX]

37 minutes ago, Theoldjaffa said:

Don’t need to respond to him lah. No words can get thru his skull cos he’s just so adamant that Toyotas are pieces of shit while his Korean cars are the best.

look at his posts here, he has no credibility at all lah. Most of the time just spewing disdain or putting imaginary engines inside other cars.

he’s like a local small town school janitor who tHinks he’s the discipline master of the whole country’s schools.

just skip his posts can liao  

Agree... just an ignorant bigot

[noobcarbuyer]

16 hours ago, noobcarbuyer said:

Straits Times 12 Gen Corolla Altis Review by Christopher Tan

"Equipped wih paddle shifters, the car takes a leisurely 12.9 seconds to hit 100kmh, or one whole second behind its predecessor. Ride is on a par with most sedans in its class, while handling is better than most.

Fuel efficiency is not exceptional, though. At a tested 9.5 litres/100km, it is 19 per cent thirstier than its predecessor."

Source : https://www.straitstimes.com/lifestyle/motoring/altis-altered-slightly

Let us focus on the facts :

Mazda 3 Sedan 1.5 Elegance (A)

PRICE $100,888

Engine capacity : 1,496 cc

Power : 88kW (118 bhp)

Kerb weight : 1,385 kg

Acceleration : 11.9 s (0-100 km/h)

Fuel consumption : 18.2 km/L (Combined)
 

Toyota Corolla Altis 1.6 Elegance (A)

PRICE  $102,888

Engine capacity : 1,598 cc

Power : 96kW (129 bhp)

Kerb weight 1,315 kg

Acceleration : 12.9 s (0-100 km/h) - from ST article

Fuel consumption : 15.6 km/L (Combined)

So we can conclude that the Corolla Altis is lighter and has a larger capacity, more powerful, engine than the Mazda 3.
However, for some reason, the Corolla Altis has worse Fuel Consumption and slower acceleration (0 to 100 km/h) as compared to the Mazda 3. 

And the Altis is $2k more expensive!
 

Edited January 28, 2020 by noobcarbuyer

[inlinesix]

57 minutes ago, Theoldjaffa said:

Don’t need to respond to him lah. No words can get thru his skull cos he’s just so adamant that Toyotas are pieces of shit while his Korean cars are the best.

look at his posts here, he has no credibility at all lah. Most of the time just spewing disdain or putting imaginary engines inside other cars.

he’s like a local small town school janitor who tHinks he’s the discipline master of the whole country’s schools.

just skip his posts can liao  

To a certain extent, Corolla is a product of bygone similar to JDM Axio.

It is still selling well to dwindling customer base who don't care about technology.

[13177]

50 minutes ago, noobcarbuyer said:

Let us focus on the facts :

Mazda 3 Sedan 1.5 Elegance (A)

PRICE $100,888

Engine capacity : 1,496 cc

Power : 88kW (118 bhp)

Kerb weight : 1,385 kg

Acceleration : 11.9 s (0-100 km/h)

Fuel consumption : 18.2 km/L (Combined)
 

Toyota Corolla Altis 1.6 Elegance (A)

PRICE  $102,888

Engine capacity : 1,598 cc

Power : 96kW (129 bhp)

Kerb weight 1,315 kg

Acceleration : 12.9 s (0-100 km/h) - from ST article

Fuel consumption : 15.6 km/L (Combined)

So we can conclude that the Corolla Altis is lighter and has a larger capacity, more powerful, engine than the Mazda 3.
However, for some reason, the Corolla Altis has worse Fuel Consumption and slower acceleration (0 to 100 km/h) as compared to the Mazda 3. 

And the Altis is $2k more expensive!
 

I don’t understand how come altis is lighter and has more powerful engine and yet the acceleration is slower than mazda 3? Lol.

[Pratakosong]

10 hours ago, Kia7200 said:

12.9sec is really slow

And the FC is 10.5km/l which is quite close to the pre gen , thought many TL claim it's good FC la. Lol

Yes, the 12th gen 1.6L Corolla Altis acceleration of 12.9 seconds for 0-100 km/h is slow. 

For context, the 1.2L Attrage has an acceleration of 13.3 seconds (0-100 km/h).

[inlinesix]

1 minute ago, 13177 said:

I don’t understand how come altis is lighter and has more powerful engine and yet the acceleration is slower than mazda 3? Lol.

CVT vs Torque Converter AT

[RogerNg_185295]

2 hours ago, Cheefarn said:

Yes my opinion is refers the local or at least SE Asia market, where Toyota purposely used the old dual VVTi 1.6/1.8L instead of their new 2L Dynamic Force engine as found in the Rav4.

That 2L engine would be a much preferred choice. 

Toyota is successful in the western markets becos they were forced to use the best drivetrain and designs they have to keep up with the competition. 

In this part of the world, Toyota sells the badge will do. This is why POS models eg Avanza, Innova etc can still sell even though these models are not available in 

 

Edited January 28, 2020 by RogerNg_185295
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[Spring]

24 minutes ago, RogerNg_185295 said:

Think your opinions are like shit. Your brain needs an overhaul 

Roger, last warning for u. No more personal attacks or u will be banned permanently.

[RogerNg_185295]

2 minutes ago, Spring said:

Roger, last warning for u. No more personal attacks or u will be banned permanently.

Deleted. 

[Spring]

1 hour ago, noobcarbuyer said:

Let us focus on the facts :

Mazda 3 Sedan 1.5 Elegance (A)

PRICE $100,888

Engine capacity : 1,496 cc

Power : 88kW (118 bhp)

Kerb weight : 1,385 kg

Acceleration : 11.9 s (0-100 km/h)

Fuel consumption : 18.2 km/L (Combined)
 

Toyota Corolla Altis 1.6 Elegance (A)

PRICE  $102,888

Engine capacity : 1,598 cc

Power : 96kW (129 bhp)

Kerb weight 1,315 kg

Acceleration : 12.9 s (0-100 km/h) - from ST article

Fuel consumption : 15.6 km/L (Combined)

So we can conclude that the Corolla Altis is lighter and has a larger capacity, more powerful, engine than the Mazda 3.
However, for some reason, the Corolla Altis has worse Fuel Consumption and slower acceleration (0 to 100 km/h) as compared to the Mazda 3. 

And the Altis is $2k more expensive!
 

Mz3 has a $10k VES rebate so it's not actually cheaper and in fact the depreciation may be more. 

[Toeknee_33]

4 hours ago, Twich said:

Hello sir, your mind set has just sat in Singapore little tiny market.

Toyota Corolla has sold more than 330,000 units in China for the year of 2019.

If I not wrong, the latest 1.8L Corolla was launched in China in late September 2019. And it has sold 33,000 units per month.

Do not forget. Toyota has 2 most successful SUV. The Highlander and RAV4.

Most importantly, there is another world most successful model Camry. Very successful in China and America. More than 600,000 Camry has been sold in America in 2019.

Do not forget the luxury division of Toyota Lexus.

Lexus sales in China has increased by nearly 18%.

Singapore will not get the latest car model compare with other major car market.

Let him continue sprouting his nonsense lah. The more he talks the less credibility he has. It only serves to show how little he knows about how the world functions. 

Put the 2L Dynamic Force engine in the Corolla and offer it as a sole engine variant and see how the model will become an immediate sales flop in SEA. 

[ConnorMcLeod]

21 hours ago, noobcarbuyer said:

Straits Times 12 Gen Corolla Altis Review by Christopher Tan

Fuel efficiency is not exceptional, though. At a tested 9.5 litres/100km, it is 19 per cent thirstier than its predecessor."

My G11 can do easily > 14km/l for a full tank, with many very short trips during weekends e.g. go nearby HDB for dinner. Else it can achieve > 15km/l easily.

G11 @ 1265kg and G12 @ 1315kf (both standard) but this is not sufficient to justify the drop in FC.   

9.5l/100km --> 10.5km is indeed low.  Wonder was it the test drive condition or the engine and gb programming to end up with such low FC.

 

[Sugimoto]

6 hours ago, Theoldjaffa said:

Don’t need to respond to him lah. No words can get thru his skull cos he’s just so adamant that Toyotas are pieces of shit while his Korean cars are the best.

look at his posts here, he has no credibility at all lah. Most of the time just spewing disdain or putting imaginary engines inside other cars.

he’s like a local small town school janitor who tHinks he’s the discipline master of the whole country’s schools.

just skip his posts can liao  

No lah, he also bash korean cars at the korean cars threads too. He is driving a chevrolet malibu which he think is a superior car over other brands but truth is a POS car which barely survive even in their own US market.

[Toeknee_33]

4 minutes ago, Sugimoto said:

No lah, he also bash korean cars at the korean cars threads too. He is driving a chevrolet malibu which he think is a superior car over other brands but truth is a POS car which barely survive even in their own US market.

The Chevy Malibu - designed, engineered and manufactured by the great GM in the US of A with the latest American technology..best car in the world - don't play play lehh..🤣

[RogerNg_185295]

25 minutes ago, Sugimoto said:

No lah, he also bash korean cars at the korean cars threads too. He is driving a chevrolet malibu which he think is a superior car over other brands but truth is a POS car which barely survive even in their own US market.

Chevy cars worse than jap n Korean cars.  There is no need for him to bash other brands.