2019 Hyundai Avante (Elantra Facelift)

[Ivan_06]

Thereâs a Hyundai roadshow at B1 Jewel if anyone is interested.

 

The S model is going for $78,999. SE also said though itâs non-guaranteed, they will get the COE eventually.

The cheapest for S model was $70,999 which some brothers got it in the last July bidding.

 

Based on sgcarmart, the total basic car cost for S model is $60,110 with a $26+k coe.

 

With full blown recession coming, it's hard to see people buying for $78,999

[Heartbreakid]

Spied successor of Elantra/Avante. Overall shape looks less sleek than current and past generation.

 

https://www.motor1.com/news/361205/next-gen-hyundai-elantra-spied/amp/

[13177]

The cheapest for S model was $70,999 which some brothers got it in the last July bidding.

 

Based on sgcarmart, the total basic car cost for S model is $60,110 with a $26+k coe.

 

With full blown recession coming, it's hard to see people buying for $78,999

$79k for S still consider ex?

[Ivan_06]

$79k for S still consider ex?

The basic car cost of S including $26+k coe as stated on sgcarmart is $60k with people who got theirs at $70.9k.

 

Then what do you think for purchase at $79k?

[Vinceng]

The basic car cost of S including $26+k coe as stated on sgcarmart is $60k with people who got theirs at $70.9k.

 

Then what do you think for purchase at $79k?

@Ivan_06 ,

 

Then which car is the most worth it to buy, @ lowest profit margin for the distributor?

[Ivan_06]

@Ivan_06 ,

 

Then which car is the most worth it to buy, @ lowest profit margin for the distributor?

Avante S at $70,999.

[13177]

The basic car cost of S including $26+k coe as stated on sgcarmart is $60k with people who got theirs at $70.9k.

 

Then what do you think for purchase at $79k?

I see. But think S model at $70k is very special price.

[Vinceng]

Avante S at $70,999.

At current COE prices, possible, if a Perodua Kancil can outrun a Lamborghini Aventador at the century sprint.

[Jmontfort]

I think he not 100% understand the rubber band effect...

need to drive and own one to understand

 

Yes, I have not driven an Avante with the new IVT.

 

Others I have driven a few.  We had a 2002 Honda Civic 1.5 with CVT and then after that 2005 Honda Jazz 1.3 with CVT.  After we replaced the Jazz with a Golf in 2009, we decided that we will NOT buy another Japanese car with a CVT.

 

The current CVTs from Honda all has that rubbish rubber band effect - RPM goes up but the freaking car does not move.

 

I am under the impression that the new IVT will overcome this irritating effect.

 

From what I understand, this is overcome by using steps ie simulating gear ratios and moving from ratios to ratios, instead of allowing the CVT to vary ratio continuously.

 

Let's check it out soon...... 

[therock]

The i30 deal today makes the Elantra look expensive..

68k for a turbocharged car with a better interior... MTL..

[Jp66]

The i30 deal today makes the Elantra look expensive..

68k for a turbocharged car with a better interior... MTL..

[13177]

Yes, I have not driven an Avante with the new IVT.

 

Others I have driven a few. We had a 2002 Honda Civic 1.5 with CVT and then after that 2005 Honda Jazz 1.3 with CVT. After we replaced the Jazz with a Golf in 2009, we decided that we will NOT buy another Japanese car with a CVT.

 

The current CVTs from Honda all has that rubbish rubber band effect - RPM goes up but the freaking car does not move.

 

I am under the impression that the new IVT will overcome this irritating effect.

 

From what I understand, this is overcome by using steps ie simulating gear ratios and moving from ratios to ratios, instead of allowing the CVT to vary ratio continuously.

 

Let's check it out soon......

Looks like CVT is a norm on many cars now? Wonder if toyota CVT can make it or not?

[Jmontfort]

Looks like CVT is a norm on many cars now? Wonder if toyota CVT can make it or not?

It is a whole lot better than Honda's. But rubber band effect is still there. You will feel it when u r in a rush.

[Contipro]

Yes, I have not driven an Avante with the new IVT.

 

Others I have driven a few. We had a 2002 Honda Civic 1.5 with CVT and then after that 2005 Honda Jazz 1.3 with CVT. After we replaced the Jazz with a Golf in 2009, we decided that we will NOT buy another Japanese car with a CVT.

 

The current CVTs from Honda all has that rubbish rubber band effect - RPM goes up but the freaking car does not move.

 

I am under the impression that the new IVT will overcome this irritating effect.

 

From what I understand, this is overcome by using steps ie simulating gear ratios and moving from ratios to ratios, instead of allowing the CVT to vary ratio continuously.

 

Let's check it out soon......

if their concern is fuel efficiency, I dont think IVT will feel the programmed step ratio at low rpm as well.

most manufacturers like civic 1.5T, Mitsubishi EC 1.5T the CVT step ratio will feel only when heavy throttle.

if drive casual acceleration the rubber band effect still there try keep best fuel efficiency..

higher torque from turbo engine at least the pulling feel is better even with rubber band effect.

that's my observation and opinions..

[Jmontfort]

if their concern is fuel efficiency, I dont think IVT will feel the programmed step ratio at low rpm as well.

most manufacturers like civic 1.5T, Mitsubishi EC 1.5T the CVT step ratio will feel only when heavy throttle.

if drive casual acceleration the rubber band effect still there try keep best fuel efficiency..

higher torque from turbo engine at least the pulling feel is better even with rubber band effect.

that's my observation and opinions..

We can see the IVT in action soon.

 

Lets see if it offers better acceleration feel. I have driven the Civic turbo and I cannot take the whine the moment i start to accelerate more aggressively. The CVT in the Mitsy Eclipse turbo is also similar in this respect.

 

I am beginning to conclude that turbo torque cannot match with a CVT.

[teomingern]

I've driven a 1.6 or 2.0 L Subaru Impreza in Hokkaido some years back... it was already using CVT... it was equally horrible with the whining effect... that was kind of my only experience driving a CVT equipped car... I told myself never again...

Looks like CVT is a norm on many cars now? Wonder if toyota CVT can make it or not?

Toyota tried to reduce the rubber band effect by having a fixed first gear so that the take off from standstill isn't so slow or rubbery... but in the later gears I'm sure the same rubber band effect is there...

if their concern is fuel efficiency, I dont think IVT will feel the programmed step ratio at low rpm as well.

most manufacturers like civic 1.5T, Mitsubishi EC 1.5T the CVT step ratio will feel only when heavy throttle.

if drive casual acceleration the rubber band effect still there try keep best fuel efficiency..

higher torque from turbo engine at least the pulling feel is better even with rubber band effect.

that's my observation and opinions..

All the Japanese manufacturers have switched to CVT to meet the new fuel consumption requirements in many parts of the world... while the Europeans have tried DCT... and the Koreans have tried everything plus some in-between...

 

Right now the conclusion seems to be heading towards the type of torque converter gearbox made by ZF, in particular the 8-speed model used in many high end BMWs... apparently the gear change is super fast, matching a DCT but with a more efficient torque converter so that it's equally fuel efficient as the CVT... that's was I gather so far... but I think eventually the cost and complexity of the DCT and poorer driveability of the CVT will give way to something better... cos neither is a good solution at this point... maybe we'll still go back to the tried and tested torque converter gearbox...

[Vinceng]

If a CVT malfunctions, the only option is a brand new replacement, which costs in excess of $10,000

 

For a normal 4,5,6 speed gearbox, reconditioned options are available for just a few thousand bucks. The lesser the gears, the cheaper the replacement cost.

[ferrytales]

The i30 deal today makes the Elantra look expensive..

68k for a turbocharged car with a better interior... MTL..

Without coe la bro..

If a CVT malfunctions, the only option is a brand new replacement, which costs in excess of $10,000

 

For a normal 4,5,6 speed gearbox, reconditioned options are available for just a few thousand bucks. The lesser the gears, the cheaper the replacement cost.

That's why I'm glad I bought the avante with the old school 6at gearbox. Cvt is a nono which makes the drive hell boring (tested on vios/xv/impreza). Surprisingly the cvt on civic turbo is decent, probably compensated by the enjoyable engine.

 

Dct...yeah it's just headache.