Fatal Accidents - Driver or Road Problem?

[RadX]

Aiya, whatever it may be...may the victims RIP.

Yes v sad

 

 

Funnily this morning I was just having a strong g feeling another fatal accident gonna happen n it did

[13177]

Dunno how true. Would it make the driver panic and step on the accelerator? It never happen to me before. It's tough to comment.

 

The one at Jalan Anak Bukit road where the bus and merc collided at the road junction. Can tell the junction is confusing. Somemore it happened at midnight, it's dark and dunno whether the driver is alert and sober.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/23-year-old-woman-killed-accident-smrt-bus-car-bukit-timah-10163104

 

The Jalan Anak Bukit that junction indeed confusing and heavy traffic, even after they build a flyover there also not much use.

[Jamesc]

most prob the hp display went out of focus......this kind of excuse.......he killed 3! I am at a lost for word! No excuse or reason can justify the carnage he had caused.

its a trend among the younger generation.....they think they are smart and clever and wont listen to good advice.

Not only the younger generation but also oldies like the Jaguar driver and that old man that wanted to hammer the taxi driver who cut his lane.

 

[Watwheels]

Yes v sad

 

 

Funnily this morning I was just having a strong g feeling another fatal accident gonna happen n it did

 

 

You antenna for bad things to happen is it?

 

Or you see dead ppl?

[Jman888]

if it is a fatal accident hence if can be avoided nobody wants it to happen. 

[13177]

if it were an 85 yr old....then possible.  this?  sorry but 3 lives innocently taken away like thar....RIP

Nowadays hard to say also, maybe even a 85 year old is much fitter and healthy than some youngsters. But if this happened due to driver was distracted by other things like hp etc, then really too much.

[Maxus-MIFA9]

It's attitude problem.

 

People think they know everything and so you cannot tell people anything.

 

The t bone taxi driver did he think he was a reckless driver?

 

If you talk to him before the accident he will probably tell you he is a very safe driver with many years of experience.

 

He will probably tell you other people not safe and don't know how to drive but he is a very good driver.

 

Most people over estimate their abilities.

 

95% of people think they are above average in intelligence.

 

99% of people think they are very good drivers.

 

 

Yup..... over estimate their abilities ...

 

 

It's not the problem of how good or experience you are as a driver but how good & defensive you are being a driver.  

 

 

 

Defensive Driving here doesn't means that you drive like a kiasu driver which is over cautious.

 

Defensive Driving here is :-

 

- Ability to judge the road condition and adjust your vehicle speed accordingly (bend, wet road, sandy road, light, moderate or heavy traffic condition)

- lookout for other road users and make sound decision in advance (give way by slowing down or give more space for cyclist / pedestrians)

- able to anticipate & react when spotting another vehicle or road user within a distance of your approaching speed (ease off or speed up to overtake)  

- always keep a proper look out on the road (eyes should be focusing on the road and not any others)

 

 

These are only some example in defensive Driving and there are so many rules to read up. 

 

Safe driving, everyone ..

[Zxcvb]

If you've been to major cities, Singapore's road are starkly different from others. Take for example Tokyo, Seoul and Taipei. If I take pictures from the 3 cities road condition, chances are quite similar. But Singapore road straight away can tell.

 

1) Too many traffic lights for pedestrian to cross.

In Japan and Korea, pedestrians either go under or over, especially on busy junctions. Want to jaywalk also cannot cos got barrier. In Singapore, example AMK MRT station that bus stop every morning I see swarm of people crossing the road to take MRT. Why can't they just build a overpass?? In Japan, there are a network for overpass and underpass linking to stations.

 

2) LTA would rather create a traffic light then to build overpass to solve traffic problem.

AMK hub got a link bridge to HDB flats. But then there is also a traffic light beneath it. WTF right?? Cos the bridge got no lift (in Japan, there is usually a lift for old folks/wheelchair/pram/luggages

 

IMHO, people are more wary when jaywalking then crossing a traffic junction with "right of way". This entitlement or mindset of having the "right of way" throw caution out of the window. Hence you have drivers like the Toyota driving fast across the junction plainly cos he has "right of way". Why slow down when I have "right of way"?? Why have to look out for pedestrian when I got "right of way"?? And so on so forth.

 

My experiences in driving overseas have taught me a hell lot more than driving school here in SG. Remember there is a saying "Singaporeans dunno how to cross the road without traffic light"?? Now you know why.

[13177]

Traffic lights is the easiest way out to solve pedestrian crossing. And when you look at how LTA do things here, you should know they always like to find the easiest way to solve the problem, if problem cannot solve, they just leave it there forever.

[Evillusion]

Not only the younger generation but also oldies like the Jaguar driver and that old man that wanted to hammer the taxi driver who cut his lane.

 

maybe thats where the younger gen pickup all this bad habits from. ..

[Jamesc]

If you've been to major cities, Singapore's road are starkly different from others. Take for example Tokyo, Seoul and Taipei. If I take pictures from the 3 cities road condition, chances are quite similar. But Singapore road straight away can tell.

 

1) Too many traffic lights for pedestrian to cross.

In Japan and Korea, pedestrians either go under or over, especially on busy junctions. Want to jaywalk also cannot cos got barrier. In Singapore, example AMK MRT station that bus stop every morning I see swarm of people crossing the road to take MRT. Why can't they just build a overpass?? In Japan, there are a network for overpass and underpass linking to stations.

 

2) LTA would rather create a traffic light then to build overpass to solve traffic problem.

AMK hub got a link bridge to HDB flats. But then there is also a traffic light beneath it. WTF right?? Cos the bridge got no lift (in Japan, there is usually a lift for old folks/wheelchair/pram/luggages

 

IMHO, people are more wary when jaywalking then crossing a traffic junction with "right of way". This entitlement or mindset of having the "right of way" throw caution out of the window. Hence you have drivers like the Toyota driving fast across the junction plainly cos he has "right of way". Why slow down when I have "right of way"?? Why have to look out for pedestrian when I got "right of way"?? And so on so forth.

 

My experiences in driving overseas have taught me a hell lot more than driving school here in SG. Remember there is a saying "Singaporeans dunno how to cross the road without traffic light"?? Now you know why.

That's me I don't know how to cross without traffic lights.

 

In HCM got like a million bikes going both ways and I really don't know how to cross.

 

Even green man also the bikes never stop.

 

Then I follow any Viet ladies cross. They just cross slowly and the bikes like fish swim around us.

 

So I got the trick. Just close your eyes and cross slowly and hope for the best.

 

[Evillusion]

if it is a fatal accident hence if can be avoided nobody wants it to happen.

thats why i try not to use hp while driving or any other gadgets for that matter.....not even an earpiece. I really dont care who calls while i am driving......nothing is that important that it cant wait until i reach my destination.

[RogerNg_185295]

Yup..... over estimate their abilities ...

 

 

It's not the problem of how good or experience you are as a driver but how good & defensive you are being a driver.

 

 

 

Defensive Driving here doesn't means that you drive like a kiasu driver which is over cautious.

 

Defensive Driving here is :-

 

- Ability to judge the road condition and adjust your vehicle speed accordingly (bend, wet road, sandy road, light, moderate or heavy traffic condition)

- lookout for other road users and make sound decision in advance (give way by slowing down or give more space for cyclist / pedestrians)

- able to anticipate & react when spotting another vehicle or road user within a distance of your approaching speed (ease off or speed up to overtake)

- always keep a proper look out on the road (eyes should be focusing on the road and not any others)

 

 

These are only some example in defensive Driving and there are so many rules to read up.

 

Safe driving, everyone ..

Anyone took the defensive driving course at the schools?

If you've been to major cities, Singapore's road are starkly different from others. Take for example Tokyo, Seoul and Taipei. If I take pictures from the 3 cities road condition, chances are quite similar. But Singapore road straight away can tell.

 

1) Too many traffic lights for pedestrian to cross.

In Japan and Korea, pedestrians either go under or over, especially on busy junctions. Want to jaywalk also cannot cos got barrier. In Singapore, example AMK MRT station that bus stop every morning I see swarm of people crossing the road to take MRT. Why can't they just build a overpass?? In Japan, there are a network for overpass and underpass linking to stations.

 

2) LTA would rather create a traffic light then to build overpass to solve traffic problem.

AMK hub got a link bridge to HDB flats. But then there is also a traffic light beneath it. WTF right?? Cos the bridge got no lift (in Japan, there is usually a lift for old folks/wheelchair/pram/luggages

 

IMHO, people are more wary when jaywalking then crossing a traffic junction with "right of way". This entitlement or mindset of having the "right of way" throw caution out of the window. Hence you have drivers like the Toyota driving fast across the junction plainly cos he has "right of way". Why slow down when I have "right of way"?? Why have to look out for pedestrian when I got "right of way"?? And so on so forth.

 

My experiences in driving overseas have taught me a hell lot more than driving school here in SG. Remember there is a saying "Singaporeans dunno how to cross the road without traffic light"?? Now you know why.

Perhaps lta choose the option with the lowest cost?

[RogerNg_185295]

Not taking sides, just looking at it more objectively perhaps. Think there is certain logic in that as those are rather tangible numbers.

 

But then, think often many are quite emotional, and with that assumed alot of things base on their emotional bias (not really rational). Worse is many then tend judge others when others perspectives differ or does not appeal to their emotion. And they wonder why they cannot convince everyone over to their cause.

 

These professional drivers spend way more hours driving than most ordinary drivers would. Now even if they were to have the same number of accidents as the ordinary drivers, average it out by the number of hours they drive, think many their safety record would still be way better than most of the ordinary drivers out there perhaps.

 

Take the right turning issue thingy. Daily, there are probably hundreds, if not thousands of other drivers who did the same thing and got through safely. But just because a few drivers have accidents there, suddenly the rules become unsafe, everything becomes unsafe. Is there really a problem with the rules, or is there more to it, a problem with that few individuals who have accidents (bearing in mind, hundreds, if not thousands more have no problem with it on a daily basis).

 

Now, not saying the existing system don't have issue. As many can probably see the number of accidents increasing everywhere. But think people need approach matter with less emotion and more objectiveness or more rationalism perhaps.

[RadX]

The deceased was thrown after being knocked n run over...

 

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[Aventador]

The deceased was thrown after being knocked n run over...

 

 

relative speed to other vehicles look the same

 

I suspect he look down to his left seat to take the phone or something, and steering turned left also

[RadX]

relative speed to other vehicles look the same

 

I suspect he look down to his left seat to take the phone or something, and steering turned left also

Yes looks like it

[RogerNg_185295]

Yes

 

That place now hv lotsa drink places after dtl open

We all know generally our chinese papers are sensationalistic, but WTF goes through the minds of these swamp scrubs (oh sorry you’re just doing your job?) when they make extremely insensitive and distasteful choices such as a to pick a picture of the poor girl holding a glass of champagne? Is there anything to celebrate here? Edited April 23, 2018 by RogerNg_185295