How to bypass subletting n not get caught

[Kusje]

  On 2/2/2018 at 2:40 PM, Icedbs said:

If the LL don't allow 3 months rental, then just look for another house. Why continue to rent one year with the intention to break lease after 3 months?

Ura doesn't allow 3 months rental right?

 

Will there be any LL that dares to allow openly?

[Icedbs]

  On 2/2/2018 at 3:02 PM, Kusje said:

Ura doesn't allow 3 months rental right?

 

Will there be any LL that dares to allow openly?

 

Bro, since July last year URA already allow 3 months rental for private residential.

[Kusje]

  On 2/2/2018 at 3:28 PM, Icedbs said:

Bro, since July last year URA already allow 3 months rental for private residential.

Tks for sharing.

[Sdf4786k]

  On 2/2/2018 at 3:46 PM, Kusje said:

Tks for sharing.

 

Actual sharing is by agent who mention something like a pyramid scheme for new PR / Citizen who gotten their flat.

 

While I was doubtful at first, the moolah seems good.

 

But with the revised rules and the risk involve, its not for the faint hearted to do "loophole" subletting.

Edited February 5, 2018 by Sdf4786k

[Showster]

Not worth risking for HDB. Remember who is the actual land owner for your HDB. Sublet must make sure the master landlord is fully informed. The whole flat can even be confiscated.

 

For private, maybe fine...

[Atrecord]

  On 2/5/2018 at 12:38 AM, Sdf4786k said:

Actual sharing is by agent who mention something like a pyramid scheme for new PR / Citizen who gotten their flat.

 

While I was doubtful at first, the moolah seems good.

 

But with the revised rules and the risk involve, its not for the faint hearted to do "loophole" subletting.

 

Just yest or the day before, one minister said AirBnB will take some time to finalise.

 

For private, people can take risks.

 

For HDB, the risks are much higher, obviously. But because there are a lot more HDB flats available for rental now c.f. 5-10 yr ago, the landlords/owners are not having it easy renting out their units, at least not as easy as in the past when there were more foreigners and fewer flats available for rent. 

As such, it's not implausible that some owners might take some risks.

 

Tenants nowadays are also more savvy, and would almost certainly ask to see proof that the claimed owner does indeed own the flat/property before they pay any deposit/rental. They will likely ask for property tax bill and the owner's NRIC to be sure it's not a con job.

 

And the agent should obviously assess the prospective tenants' background before brokering any deal.

 

Having said that, if the tenant wants to play punk, it's also tricky. They pay a month's deposit for a year's contract, but if they want to terminate the lease early, and the owner refuses, then what if they just drag the last month's rental payment and run away (only) when the owner/agent starts chasing? In the meantime, maybe they will empty the house of anything of value! The owner/landlord might have considered such a scenario, which will mean extreme inconvenience and obviously additional cost to furnish the flat again - and so might just relent when asked...

[Sdf4786k]

  On 2/5/2018 at 2:36 AM, Atrecord said:

Just yest or the day before, one minister said AirBnB will take some time to finalise.

 

For private, people can take risks.

 

For HDB, the risks are much higher, obviously. But because there are a lot more HDB flats available for rental now c.f. 5-10 yr ago, the landlords/owners are not having it easy renting out their units, at least not as easy as in the past when there were more foreigners and fewer flats available for rent. 

As such, it's not implausible that some owners might take some risks.

 

Tenants nowadays are also more savvy, and would almost certainly ask to see proof that the claimed owner does indeed own the flat/property before they pay any deposit/rental. They will likely ask for property tax bill and the owner's NRIC to be sure it's not a con job.

 

And the agent should obviously assess the prospective tenants' background before brokering any deal.

 

Having said that, if the tenant wants to play punk, it's also tricky. They pay a month's deposit for a year's contract, but if they want to terminate the lease early, and the owner refuses, then what if they just drag the last month's rental payment and run away (only) when the owner/agent starts chasing? In the meantime, maybe they will empty the house of anything of value! The owner/landlord might have considered such a scenario, which will mean extreme inconvenience and obviously additional cost to furnish the flat again - and so might just relent when asked...

 

Yes, and hence the kopitiam talk 

 

From these "experts" here where the ease of doing it is

 

1. HDB will boh hui and boh chap and only refer to the tanancy agreement as well as the landlord. Any 3 long 2 short, it does not mean anything to the people who does the scheming and the planning

 

2. The police is quite powerless to do anything because the police will see this as more of a ICA issue as well as a domestic issue.

 

3. ICA will not take action because there is no evidence of illegal staying, just like AirBnB because its a commercial issue.

 

So all in all, its quite safe lah. Can go ahead. Its quite risk free to them, But not the landlord. So the "Agent" can still do whatever they want, however they want.

[Showster]

Eviction and confiscating of deposit, fine, plus sudden displacement are risks the tenants take if they intend to sublet illegally. Two agents have been charged over this.

 

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/duo-charged-over-illegal-home-rental-under-new-regulations

 

The fine can be $10,000 per day of illegal subletting. Why risk this just to earn $100-$200 a day?

 

  On 2/5/2018 at 4:50 AM, Sdf4786k said:

Yes, and hence the kopitiam talk 

 

From these "experts" here where the ease of doing it is

 

1. HDB will boh hui and boh chap and only refer to the tanancy agreement as well as the landlord. Any 3 long 2 short, it does not mean anything to the people who does the scheming and the planning

 

2. The police is quite powerless to do anything because the police will see this as more of a ICA issue as well as a domestic issue.

 

3. ICA will not take action because there is no evidence of illegal staying, just like AirBnB because its a commercial issue.

 

So all in all, its quite safe lah. Can go ahead. Its quite risk free to them, But not the landlord. So the "Agent" can still do whatever they want, however they want.

 

[Sdf4786k]

dont scared, dont scared,

 

The law is not to the Landlord side. The land lord surelly kanna first.

 

https://singaporelegaladvice.com/law-articles/tenant-landlord-rights-singapore/

 

https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/check-legal-status-foreign-tenants-ica-advises

 

3 men convicted last month of harbouring immigration offenders, sentenced to no less than six months of imprisonment

SINGAPORE — The Immigration and Checkpoints Authority (ICA) today (July 10) reminded homeowners to exercise due diligence in checking the status of their prospective foreign tenants to ensure that their status in Singapore is legal.

Three men were convicted in June of harbouring immigration offenders under Section 57(1)(d) of the Immigration Act (Cap 133) and were each sentenced to no less than six months of imprisonment, the ICA said in a release.

 

[Showster]

  On 2/12/2018 at 11:19 AM, Sdf4786k said:

 

dont scared, dont scared,

 

The law is not to the Landlord side. The land lord surelly kanna first.

 

https://singaporelegaladvice.com/law-articles/tenant-landlord-rights-singapore/

 

https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/check-legal-status-foreign-tenants-ica-advises

 

 

 

3 men convicted last month of harbouring immigration offenders, sentenced to no less than six months of imprisonment

 

 

 

SINGAPORE â The Immigration and Checkpoints Authority (ICA) today (July 10) reminded homeowners to exercise due diligence in checking the status of their prospective foreign tenants to ensure that their status in Singapore is legal.

Three men were convicted in June of harbouring immigration offenders under Section 57(1)(d) of the Immigration Act (Cap 133) and were each sentenced to no less than six months of imprisonment, the ICA said in a release.

That’s why it’s good to pay agent to settle. Anything the agent due diligence issues.

 

Save small money lose big time.

[Wt_know]

at the end of the day homeowner still liable

unless whole unit is sublet to agency and managed by agency?

if homeowner only engage agent to find tenant ... 6 months later unit become chicken farm ... how?

or existing tenant turn enterpreneur and sublet to others

Edited February 12, 2018 by Wt_know

[Showster]

  On 2/12/2018 at 1:02 PM, Wt_know said:

at the end of the day homeowner still liable

unless whole unit is sublet to agency and managed by agency?

if homeowner only engage agent to find tenant ... 6 months later unit become chicken farm ... how?

or existing tenant turn enterpreneur and sublet to others

Eviction procedure plus confiscate deposit plus report police.

 

That should do it. But a good agent will screen properly lah.

[Ash2017]

  On 2/1/2018 at 2:51 AM, Showster said:

Anything you can think of as gaps, the rules will eventually cover.

 

Even subletting of bedrooms requires application to HDB as they re-state.

 

The number of people has also dropped from 9 to 6, in line with private housing. Flat owner plus occupier plus tenant = 6 max.

 

 

From May 1, occupancy cap for 4-room and larger HDB flats will be reduced from 9 to 6 people: HDB

HDB announced the new occupancy cap in a press release on Thusday (Feb 1), adding that all flat owners must also obtain its prior approval before renting out their flats or bedrooms.

"The changes seek to minimise disamenities caused by overcrowding, and to maintain a conducive living environment in our public housing estates," HDB said.

The cap for 3-room and smaller flats remains unchanged at 6 persons and 4 persons respectively.

 

 

 

 

Suppose the revised number is 6, then within the tenancy period, the two of their daughters get pregnant and give birth to twins each. Then would have 10 people in the flat. How?

[Showster]

  On 2/12/2018 at 1:56 PM, Ash2017 said:

Suppose the revised number is 6, then within the tenancy period, the two of their daughters get pregnant and give birth to twins each. Then would have 10 people in the flat. How?

Finish the tenancy then split lor.

 

法律不外乎人情。

[Wt_know]

what if no tenant?

 

a. if homeowner (no tenant) family grow ... ah gong must give them a 5 room flat for FREE liao

b. homeowner cannot live with in-law / own parent in a 4room flat? husband + wife + maid + 2 children + grandpa + grandma?

 

  On 2/12/2018 at 1:56 PM, Ash2017 said:

Suppose the revised number is 6, then within the tenancy period, the two of their daughters get pregnant and give birth to twins each. Then would have 10 people in the flat. How?

 

Edited February 13, 2018 by Wt_know

[Othello]

  On 2/12/2018 at 12:18 PM, Showster said:

That’s why it’s good to pay agent to settle. Anything the agent due diligence issues.

 

Save small money lose big time.

 

I think house owner will still go to jail ..... 

  On 2/12/2018 at 1:56 PM, Ash2017 said:

Suppose the revised number is 6, then within the tenancy period, the two of their daughters get pregnant and give birth to twins each. Then would have 10 people in the flat. How?

 

fair question ........... true hor. Let's say my parents stay with me, then I have 2 kids. So if have maid, means exceed liao 

  On 2/13/2018 at 12:47 AM, Wt_know said:

what if no tenant?

 

a. if homeowner (no tenant) family grow ... ah gong must give them a 5 room flat for FREE liao

b. homeowner cannot live with in-law / own parent in a 4room flat? husband + wife + maid + 2 children + grandpa + grandma?

 

ya. I never thought hard about this until now. Seems a bit stringent. 

[Wt_know]

ah gong want you to buy Sentosa Cove bungalow la ... huat ah!

 

  On 2/13/2018 at 5:30 AM, Othello said:

ya. I never thought hard about this until now. Seems a bit stringent. 

 

Edited February 13, 2018 by Wt_know

[Showster]

If all relatives can exceed 6 occupiers. Even domestic helper is considered part of the family.

 

Cheng hu doesn't anyhow send people to jail lah or make things difficult for families. The biggest landlord in Singapore is cheng hu leh.

 

Understand this point, and a lot of things are easy to do.

 

In fact, even Sentosa bungalow, the maximum occupier is still 6 per unit. Private property cap is also 6, announced last year.

 

 

  On 2/13/2018 at 5:30 AM, Othello said:

I think house owner will still go to jail ..... 

 

fair question ........... true hor. Let's say my parents stay with me, then I have 2 kids. So if have maid, means exceed liao 

 

ya. I never thought hard about this until now. Seems a bit stringent. 

 

Edited February 13, 2018 by Showster