Family trip in Eastern Europe 2017

[Aventador]

I understand perfectly where you are coming from, that that does not mean every time someone used such words like "cheap" or "affordable", we must jump in to remind them of the less-privileged around us. Let them enjoy the fruits of the labour that they deserve after working so hard. Lets leave the politics aside. Else you will be very busy going all over the forum being a moral policeman, not to mention affecting the mood of people sharing in the discussion..

 

On a side note,

I am really amazed that $10k can go so far, thought Asia is the limit with this money haha.

 

Ok lets not distract the good sharing here by TS.

I will not post any more here.

It began with a comment that a $10,000 holiday is really affordable

 

My view is that in context, that is NOT considered affordable to some people.

 

To me, there is nothing to argue about here. My statment is absolutely correct and cannot be disputed at all.

 

Yet to my surprise and somewhat disappointment , there are people trying to argue about my point.

 

And trying to justify their argument that vs tour packages its cheap.

That MCF members pay full cash.I

That it is the fruit of their labour etc.

 

All those statements are correct. And i agree with them

 

BUT it does not change the simple fact that spending a five digit sum on a holiday is NOT affordable to a segment of Singaporeans.

 

Why still the rebuttals?

[Wind30]

Next stop, Spis castle and tatra mountains

Edited January 19, 2018 by Wind30

[Lotr8445r]

It began with a comment that a $10,000 holiday is really affordable

 

My view is that in context, that is NOT considered affordable to some people.

 

To me, there is nothing to argue about here. My statment is absolutely correct and cannot be disputed at all.

 

Yet to my surprise and somewhat disappointment , there are people trying to argue about my point.

 

And trying to justify their argument that vs tour packages its cheap.

That MCF members pay full cash.I

That it is the fruit of their labour etc.

 

All those statements are correct. And i agree with them

 

BUT it does not change the simple fact that spending a five digit sum on a holiday is NOT affordable to a segment of Singaporeans.

 

Why still the rebuttals?

Perspective based on what one is comparing with repect to.

 

A person that belong to upper class may think differently as lower class.

 

Just like owning a car, leader make car as a luxury product but lower class peasant want it to be affordable base on “their necessity” logic

 

End of the day, the group that hold the upper hand or bigger population determine the result and norm

 

Ppls state is affordable now vs past is because they benchmark with past price. Your affordable context is based on your spending power.

Edited January 19, 2018 by Lotr8445r

[Wind30]

We took a private tour on one of the days in Kosice and he brought us to another small town, Bardejov in Slovakia. That day was snowing pretty heavily

 

 

 

 

[Dleodleo]

We took a private tour on one of the days in Kosice and he brought us to another small town, Bardejov in Slovakia. That day was snowing pretty heavily

 

 

 

 

Nice photos! Your kids must be excited by the snow!

 

I love snow!

[Enye]

It began with a comment that a $10,000 holiday is really affordable

 

My view is that in context, that is NOT considered affordable to some people.

 

To me, there is nothing to argue about here. My statment is absolutely correct and cannot be disputed at all.

 

Yet to my surprise and somewhat disappointment , there are people trying to argue about my point.

 

And trying to justify their argument that vs tour packages its cheap.

That MCF members pay full cash.I

That it is the fruit of their labour etc.

 

All those statements are correct. And i agree with them

 

BUT it does not change the simple fact that spending a five digit sum on a holiday is NOT affordable to a segment of Singaporeans.

 

Why still the rebuttals?

wah you say until like that

 

will spoil the enjoyment of the elites in this thread lah

 

 

[Wind30]

Kosice at night.

 

 

 

 

We moved a private car to fetch us from Kosice to Krakow. I think it cost closed to 300 Euros so it was pretty expensive. It a full day drive/tour and we visited Spis Castle and poprad, Tatra mountains (slovakia side)

 

Spis Castle.

 

 

 

 

 

Nice photos! Your kids must be excited by the snow!

I love snow!

 

My eldest daughter was asking for snow at the beginning of the trip but after the day in Kosice, she had enough of snow :)

Edited January 20, 2018 by Wind30

[Wind30]

Poprad

 

 

Krakow

 

 

Zakopane

 

 

Krakow

Wroclaw

 

[Ryosuke]

Hi Wind

 

Could you please pm me your itinerary for the 15D in Eastern Europe?

 

I saw you took lufthansa, do u need to transit at Frankfurt?

Btw, your photos are really good..especially those b&w ones.

It really brings out the nice feel with their classic architectural at the background.

 

Thanks a lot.

Edited January 21, 2018 by Ryosuke

[Wind30]

Hi Wind

 

Could you please pm me your itinerary for the 15D in Eastern Europe?

 

I saw you took lufthansa, do u need to transit at Frankfurt?

Btw, your photos are really good..especially those b&w ones.

It really brings out the nice feel with their classic architectural at the background.

 

Thanks a lot.

I posted the itenary in an earlier post.

 

I need to transit in Frankfurt. One thing about Frankfurt airport, they are really picky about checking documents so u need to show return air ticket and sometimes hotel bookings, etc

[Thaiyotakamli]

I think the responses to my comment is missing my point

 

Spending $10,000 on a holiday for 14 days in Europe can be considered a good price

my point was never about whether it is a good price in comparison to tour package etc.

 

My comment was to the line "That is actually really affordable"

 

There are many families to which spending $10,000 on a holiday (regardless of location) is a dream

It is not considered affordable to them. And I would think there are many around.

 

so my point is "really affordable" must be taken in context

 

If one is fortunate enough to find spending $10,000 in 15 days "really affordable" and "very cheap", then we must be grateful for the blessing

but also be empathetic enough to know that there are others who don't find it so because of their circumstances

Some ppl find coe $40k affordable, so please dont act empathetic. Regardless, $10k spending for this trip could mean more for TS than u think. Although it sound silly to spend $10k for 15 days but how many times u spend this amount in ur life? TS probably made use of his saving in exchange for experience or memories. For some they use the $10k to invest, buy watch, pay car deposit or gamble.

 

$10k is really affordable for a family of 4 to go eastern europe for 15 days. I have friends from lower income and they do save for travelling. Its their hobby and TS is here to share his experience with other forumers. Are u trying to say TS shouldnt post these pictures because there are many less fortunate ppl out there? Because these pics arent affordable for others?

[Aventador]

Are u trying to say TS shouldnt post these pictures because there are many less fortunate ppl out there? Because these pics arent affordable for others?

Do you understand English?

 

1st post was not responding TS

My last post was very clear, cannot be disputed

 

This is out of topic now, I am leaving TS thread alone

[Thaiyotakamli]

Do you understand English?

 

1st post was not responding TS

My last post was very clear, cannot be disputed

 

This is out of topic now, I am leaving TS thread alone

No its u that dont understand english.

 

To some ppl they can afford this $10k once in a lifetime family holiday. To u it may sounds ridiculous. To each his own, dont be a PITA.

 

U urself dont act one, in ur other post u said travelling ard the world and money is not an issue for u. Do u know travelling ard the world is a dream for others who are less fortunate yet u said money is not an issue? Because many cant afford to pay for such trip. Please be more empathetic with others

 

Have been thinking of this for many years, the issue is not the money but the time

 

to do it properly would mean being away for 1 year at least, which is not feasible when kids are still studying

come back they probably pregnant or hanging out at Far East Plaza/Centrepoint everyday (or what ever the Millennials version is, haha)

 

by the time kids are old enough,maybe time when parents need lots of medical attention. When both kids and parents settled, you will be so much older - such a conundrum

 

But go ahead and YOLO for at least 1 month if you can. I have done the Eurorail thingy in my school days, trapising around Europe

 

Started from London, down to France, Italy, Switzerland, Austria, Czech, Hungary, Germany, Luxembourg, Belgium

Slept on the train, at train stations, B&B, Pesione, Grand Hotels, Hostels

 

That was some trip, and i never forgot it. So i strongly recommend you to go for something like this

 

Mercury is right - flying around to many countries not the same feeling. Take the train

 

I think rather than 1 world trip, you can do a long Europe trip. Another to cross the USA. And another in Central Asia - China, Russia, all the "Stans" and India.

 

That would be 3 grand trips to remember for a life

 

(to complete the globe would mean a South america sector, a Middle east cum Africa sector - but with the security issues, maybe not the best idea currently)

Edited January 23, 2018 by Thaiyotakamli

[Aventador]

No its u that dont understand english.

 

To some ppl they can afford this $10k once in a lifetime family holiday. To u it may sounds ridiculous. To each his own, dont be a PITA.

 

U urself dont act one, in ur other post u said travelling ard the world and money is not an issue for u. Do u know travelling ard the world is a dream for others who are less fortunate yet u said money is not an issue? Because many cant afford to pay for such trip. Please be more empathetic with others

 

 

You need to read clearly what I wrote 

 

my position is - a five digit holiday is NOT affordable to some Singaporeans

 

no matter who you know (low income or otherwise) that thinks this is affordable - does not change the fact that there are others who don't find it so. 

 

As long as even 1 Singaporean finds it unaffordable - my point is valid. But I am sure you know deep in your heart there is more than 1 who feels this way

 

I don't know why my viewpoint has struck the nerve of a few better off MCF people - must ask yourselves this...

 

whether i can afford it or not is irrelevant to the point I am making.

 

I will not argue pointlessly with you further , have a nice day

 

ps: apologises to Wind30, this is my last post in this thread 

Edited January 23, 2018 by Aventador

[Thaiyotakamli]

You need to read clearly what I wrote

 

my position is - a five digit holiday is NOT affordable to some Singaporeans

 

no matter who you know (low income or otherwise) that thinks this is affordable - does not change the fact that there are others who don't find it so.

 

As long as even 1 Singaporean finds it unaffordable - my point is valid. But I am sure you know deep in your heart there is more than 1 who feels this way

 

I don't know why my viewpoint has struck the nerve of a few better off MCF people - must ask yourselves this...

 

whether i can afford it or not is irrelevant to the point I am making.

 

I will not argue pointlessly with you further , have a nice day

Then its ok to say money is not an issue for round the world tour? There are many others having money issue for daily survival yet u said such words? Please be more considerate

 

Ask urself why ur posts has attracted many negative replies. See for ur post history do a self reflection. If u want to be empathetic with others thats less fortunate, please learn how to respect others

[Wind30]

Dresden

 

 

Prague

 

 

[Akula]

Nice.

Have been to Mostly Weatern Europe, usually alone

Last year went Hungary. Eastern Europe do have much to offer.

Thinking of trying the Baltic states, Estonia, Lithuania etc.....

[Rayleigh]

Dresden

 

 

 

 

Prague

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Wind30, thanks for the beautiful pictures, i like the way you travel: Travel light, like most angmo. I have seen many Sg going holiday and traveling daily with big and small bags. Its a torture really!!!