Mazda Owner Check-in List Part 2

[GTO-1]

Agreed for the part on other make prices themselves cheaper (and additionally TEK stand by their die-die-dun-wana reduce company profit margin).

 

But then again, open shop to earn money not to lose money la.

Correct. It's a shame though. My heart says I want the CX-5, but the brain says it's wiser to buy a CRV, because I wanted the higher trim levels. Funny thing is I don't mind actually paying slightly more for the car- after all mazda is trying to move upmarket, but at least give me similar post-sales service levels to other brands.

 

That's the downside of a monopoly on a brand. The consumer loses, and then I have to vote with my wallet.

 

Sadly, I'm sure most consumers aren't aware or these aspects. They just see the price on the paper.

Edited December 30, 2018 by GTO-1

[danielling1981]

Agreed for the part on other make prices themselves cheaper (and additionally TEK stand by their die-die-dun-wana reduce company profit margin).

 

But then again, open shop to earn money not to lose money la.

I meant if you checked the other mass market compact SUV. They are fairly similar price range. 5 k diff that type.

 

But forester is like the lowest of them all.

 

And cx 5 is not the highest either.

[danielling1981]

Correct. It's a shame though. My heart says I want the CX-5, but the brain says it's wiser to buy a CRV, because I wanted the higher trim levels. Funny thing is I don't mind actually paying slightly more for the car- after all mazda is trying to move upmarket, but at least give me similar post-sales service levels to other brands.

 

That's the downside of a monopoly on a brand. The consumer loses, and then I have to vote with my wallet.

 

Sadly, I'm sure most consumers aren't aware or these aspects. They just see the price on the paper.

Don't think you missing anything if choose Forrester.

 

Mine was cx 3 vs xv thus the price diff is not as much.

 

Quite shocking this discovery.

 

I wonder why subaru so cheap though.

 

Btw could it be course new model coming.

 

No logical reason for them to sell much cheaper than other brands.

[GTO-1]

Don't think you missing anything if choose Forrester.

 

Mine was cx 3 vs xv thus the price diff is not as much.

 

Quite shocking this discovery.

 

I wonder why subaru so cheap though.

 

Btw could it be course new model coming.

 

No logical reason for them to sell much cheaper than other brands.

Been researching for a couple of months now. The CX-5 is definitely at the upper end of cost depending on trim level. The only CX-5 trim that seems to be on par is the 2.0 premium.

 

As below and based on list price (and off top of my head) :

CX-5 mid-level trim - $125.8k, top trim - $154.8k

Forester mid-level trim - $107.8m, top trim - $116.8k

CRV mid-level trim - $130k, top trim - $142k

Tucson mid-level trim - $115k, top trim - $118k

Xtrail one trim - $127k

 

Every one except mazda provides minimum 5 Yr warranty and 3 year servicing. All cars except CX5 2.0 premium is C1 or C2 VES level.

 

I'm not looking at continental cars.

[GTO-1]

Been researching for a couple of months now. The CX-5 is definitely at the upper end of cost depending on trim level. The only CX-5 trim that seems to be on par is the 2.0 premium.

 

As below and based on list price (and off top of my head) :

CX-5 mid-level trim - $125.8k, top trim - $154.8k

Forester mid-level trim - $107.8m, top trim - $116.8k

CRV mid-level trim - $130k, top trim - $142k

Tucson mid-level trim - $115k, top trim - $118k

Xtrail one trim - $127k

 

Every one except mazda provides minimum 5 Yr warranty and 3 year servicing. All cars except CX5 2.0 premium is C1 or C2 VES level.

 

I'm not looking at continental cars.

Also add that all top trims have similar features, with several models having more features (E.g crv has 7 seat option).

 

I'm okay with TEK charging a premium like Performance Motors and BMW. They simply want to go upmarket. I get that. What I think is a kick in the guts is they want to charge a premium, but not give premium or equivalent after sales service that their competitors do, in the form of equal warranty and servicing.

 

That's why I'm trying to convince myself that TEK will reduce the cost of their cars come 2019,to get in line with their direct competitors. Could be totally wrong, but that is what common sense tells me. If not, my money will go elsewhere.

Edited December 30, 2018 by GTO-1

[UncleLabbit]

Imho if you reali like the car (whether for its looks,features or specs) plus wallet won’t bleed tat much. Then go ahead with no regrets la. Juz relax & enjoy the new ride upon delivery : )

[danielling1981]

Also add that all top trims have similar features, with several models having more features (E.g crv has 7 seat option).

 

I'm okay with TEK charging a premium like Performance Motors and BMW. They simply want to go upmarket. I get that. What I think is a kick in the guts is they want to charge a premium, but not give premium or equivalent after sales service that their competitors do, in the form of equal warranty and servicing.

 

That's why I'm trying to convince myself that TEK will reduce the cost of their cars come 2019,to get in line with their direct competitors. Could be totally wrong, but that is what common sense tells me. If not, my money will go elsewhere.

Just to share after checking some basic comparisons and price. I didn't go deep into specs.

 

The most expensive SUV is in fact Harrier at 151988 for it's top trim which is 2L. Note that cx 5 is more ex but 2.5L.

 

The cheapest is outlander at 103999. Cheapest forester is 107800.

 

Note that all these do not take into account any further discounts. I know that mazda potientially can give more discounts of maybe even 10 k.

 

I know that honda does not give any discounts. Unsure of other brands.

 

If we assume that mazda can further discuss 10k then it is comparable to forester. But agree that warranty is Still lacking.

[GTO-1]

Just to share after checking some basic comparisons and price. I didn't go deep into specs.

 

The most expensive SUV is in fact Harrier at 151988 for it's top trim which is 2L. Note that cx 5 is more ex but 2.5L.

 

The cheapest is outlander at 103999. Cheapest forester is 107800.

 

Note that all these do not take into account any further discounts. I know that mazda potientially can give more discounts of maybe even 10 k.

 

I know that honda does not give any discounts. Unsure of other brands.

 

If we assume that mazda can further discuss 10k then it is comparable to forester. But agree that warranty is Still lacking.

Mazda has been giving larger discounts recently to clear their 2018 stock. But so have other AD's. Its just that time of the year.

 

From what I can gather they have a typical discount during non-promo periods of around $3k.

 

In any case I test drove the CX5 2.0 again as well as the CX5 2.5 and CRV today. CX5 definitely the better driver car, but CRV was not bad. The 2.0 was underpowered and felt the 2.5 is the only option. But not worth the extra $20k difference.

 

Starting to err towards the CRV now. The 7 seater model seems like a down right bargain compared to the CX5 lux and super lux models. You get a better driving experience with cx5, but then you pay more for less features, less after sales service, higher road tax and insurance, SE's that seem to know less, less ability to customise the car etc. I keep asking about getting a specific colour (red) and their response is "no stock until next indent". I ask about next indent and they say "no info". It's like I'm shouting fir them to take my money and they don't want to take it.

 

One week ago I was 95% going to put a booking in for a CX5. Now I've researched further I'm less likely, not because Mazda, but because TEK. Feels they overprice their cars to get better margins, but give worse customer experiences.

[danielling1981]

Mazda has been giving larger discounts recently to clear their 2018 stock. But so have other AD's. Its just that time of the year.

 

From what I can gather they have a typical discount during non-promo periods of around $3k.

 

In any case I test drove the CX5 2.0 again as well as the CX5 2.5 and CRV today. CX5 definitely the better driver car, but CRV was not bad. The 2.0 was underpowered and felt the 2.5 is the only option. But not worth the extra $20k difference.

 

Starting to err towards the CRV now. The 7 seater model seems like a down right bargain compared to the CX5 lux and super lux models. You get a better driving experience with cx5, but then you pay more for less features, less after sales service, higher road tax and insurance, SE's that seem to know less, less ability to customise the car etc. I keep asking about getting a specific colour (red) and their response is "no stock until next indent". I ask about next indent and they say "no info". It's like I'm shouting fir them to take my money and they don't want to take it.

 

One week ago I was 95% going to put a booking in for a CX5. Now I've researched further I'm less likely, not because Mazda, but because TEK. Feels they overprice their cars to get better margins, but give worse customer experiences.

I think you just got a bad dealer.

 

You can have any color you want. It's just a matter of whether there is pending production stock or you have to wait for new production.

 

Note that CRV is also expensive. If you want 7 seat there's outlander.

 

Note CRV is turbo and 1.5.

I'm not comfortable with turbo yet and you will sure waste fuel because it's only 1.5 since you are complaining cx 5 2.0 is not good to driver.

 

You should test drive the other brands as well.

[GTO-1]

I think you just got a bad dealer.

 

You can have any color you want. It's just a matter of whether there is pending production stock or you have to wait for new production.

 

Note that CRV is also expensive. If you want 7 seat there's outlander.

 

Note CRV is turbo and 1.5.

I'm not comfortable with turbo yet and you will sure waste fuel because it's only 1.5 since you are complaining cx 5 2.0 is not good to driver.

 

You should test drive the other brands as well.

Discussed with 4 SE's from both Mazda showrooms. Same comments. They know nothing about the next indent, so can't sell you a model. All four kept going on about how now is the best time to buy, low Coe, low interest rate etc, even though I keep reiterating a specific colour. They all just want the sale, but not listening to the buyer.

 

Test driven quite a few models from several brands. No point going into depth here, but Outlander is cheap, but horrible drive, poor quality and finish. Tuscon was okay, but it didn't have anything special. Xtrail was the same and didn't have features I wanted. Forester was underpowered beyond a doubt with its 2.0L engine. Cost isn't my number 1 priority. I want a good car that fits my needs and CRV and CX5 seem to do that. I'm willing to pay, but I draw the line when I feel I'm being overcharged. With the CRV the AD margin is 18%, whereas with super lux CX5 it's 30%+, with fewer features and worse service. That makes no sense to me.

 

Actually on paper fuel consumption of the Mazda 2.0 and Honda 1.5T is the same. Most publications actually say the fuel consumption is better on the Honda in real world. Except the Honda has the same power as the Mazda 2.5l (190hp vs 121hp). Obviously, power and torque delivery is not as smooth as it's a turbo, and that was obvious in the test drive. Also the 1.5T was noisier and didn't sound as nice when pushed. But the power was definitely more than the 2.0.

 

Also practicalities come in: Road tax is half the cost and insurance is also cheaper with the 1.5T. Can also say that although not comfortable with reliability of turbo, but at least there is a 5 Yr warranty to cover it. Unlike Mazda which has 3 Yr warranty ;) . Often engine problems occur because you get a bad apple, and that's true of Mazda and Honda.

 

I just checked the new price list from TEK and everything has gone up in price from between $1k to $2k. Don't know how that is possible when there has been no Coe bidding and the Cat B cost is the same price in the past two bids. The price of the CX5 super lux is now $155800 up from $154800. No idea how that is possible. But reinforces my thoughts about TEK's pricing strategies.

Edited December 31, 2018 by GTO-1

[DACH]

Discussed with 4 SE's from both Mazda showrooms. Same comments. They know nothing about the next indent, so can't sell you a model. All four kept going on about how now is the best time to buy, low Coe, low interest rate etc, even though I keep reiterating a specific colour. They all just want the sale, but not listening to the buyer.

 

Test driven quite a few models from several brands. No point going into depth here, but Outlander is cheap, but horrible drive, poor quality and finish. Tuscon was okay, but it didn't have anything special. Xtrail was the same and didn't have features I wanted. Forester was underpowered beyond a doubt with its 2.0L engine. Cost isn't my number 1 priority. I want a good car that fits my needs and CRV and CX5 seem to do that. I'm willing to pay, but I draw the line when I feel I'm being overcharged. With the CRV the AD margin is 18%, whereas with super lux CX5 it's 30%+, with fewer features and worse service. That makes no sense to me.

 

Actually on paper fuel consumption of the Mazda 2.0 and Honda 1.5T is the same. Most publications actually say the fuel consumption is better on the Honda in real world. Except the Honda has the same power as the Mazda 2.5l (190hp vs 121hp). Obviously, power and torque delivery is not as smooth as it's a turbo, and that was obvious in the test drive. Also the 1.5T was noisier and didn't sound as nice when pushed. But the power was definitely more than the 2.0.

 

Also practicalities come in: Road tax is half the cost and insurance is also cheaper with the 1.5T. Can also say that although not comfortable with reliability of turbo, but at least there is a 5 Yr warranty to cover it. Unlike Mazda which has 3 Yr warranty ;) . Often engine problems occur because you get a bad apple, and that's true of Mazda and Honda.

 

I just checked the new price list from TEK and everything has gone up in price from between $1k to $2k. Don't know how that is possible when there has been no Coe bidding and the Cat B cost is the same price in the past two bids. The price of the CX5 super lux is now $155800 up from $154800. No idea how that is possible. But reinforces my thoughts about TEK's pricing strategies.

 

Since you have made up your mind, then go for your decision.

 

New year, new car

[danielling1981]

Discussed with 4 SE's from both Mazda showrooms. Same comments. They know nothing about the next indent, so can't sell you a model. All four kept going on about how now is the best time to buy, low Coe, low interest rate etc, even though I keep reiterating a specific colour. They all just want the sale, but not listening to the buyer.

 

Test driven quite a few models from several brands. No point going into depth here, but Outlander is cheap, but horrible drive, poor quality and finish. Tuscon was okay, but it didn't have anything special. Xtrail was the same and didn't have features I wanted. Forester was underpowered beyond a doubt with its 2.0L engine. Cost isn't my number 1 priority. I want a good car that fits my needs and CRV and CX5 seem to do that. I'm willing to pay, but I draw the line when I feel I'm being overcharged. With the CRV the AD margin is 18%, whereas with super lux CX5 it's 30%+, with fewer features and worse service. That makes no sense to me.

 

Actually on paper fuel consumption of the Mazda 2.0 and Honda 1.5T is the same. Most publications actually say the fuel consumption is better on the Honda in real world. Except the Honda has the same power as the Mazda 2.5l (190hp vs 121hp). Obviously, power and torque delivery is not as smooth as it's a turbo, and that was obvious in the test drive. Also the 1.5T was noisier and didn't sound as nice when pushed. But the power was definitely more than the 2.0.

 

Also practicalities come in: Road tax is half the cost and insurance is also cheaper with the 1.5T. Can also say that although not comfortable with reliability of turbo, but at least there is a 5 Yr warranty to cover it. Unlike Mazda which has 3 Yr warranty ;) . Often engine problems occur because you get a bad apple, and that's true of Mazda and Honda.

 

I just checked the new price list from TEK and everything has gone up in price from between $1k to $2k. Don't know how that is possible when there has been no Coe bidding and the Cat B cost is the same price in the past two bids. The price of the CX5 super lux is now $155800 up from $154800. No idea how that is possible. But reinforces my thoughts about TEK's pricing strategies.

Thanks for the information!

Agree with most. Some comments.

 

1) quite surprise that they can't sell you the model you want. Usually they can say need to wait a month or so for production.

Unless... New version coming.

But still it's a bad way to lose customers.

 

2) price wise have you check on discounts and factor that in for dealer margin?

When i checked HRV there was absolutely no discount not sure for Crv.

CX 5 i would assume there should be discount as well unless due to the indent problem, they were unable to discuss.

 

3) as for the power, i suggest to think in terms of 70% usage rather than 30%.

 

For Crv 1.5 turbo versus cx 5 2L.

Consider if you will turbo 70% of the time because you make a decision base on 1.5 T feels better.

 

Most drivers will probably drive their cars in non turbo mode rather than tirbo most of the time. :)

[GTO-1]

Thanks for the information!

Agree with most. Some comments.

 

1) quite surprise that they can't sell you the model you want. Usually they can say need to wait a month or so for production.

Unless... New version coming.

But still it's a bad way to lose customers.

 

2) price wise have you check on discounts and factor that in for dealer margin?

When i checked HRV there was absolutely no discount not sure for Crv.

CX 5 i would assume there should be discount as well unless due to the indent problem, they were unable to discuss.

 

3) as for the power, i suggest to think in terms of 70% usage rather than 30%.

 

For Crv 1.5 turbo versus cx 5 2L.

Consider if you will turbo 70% of the time because you make a decision base on 1.5 T feels better.

 

Most drivers will probably drive their cars in non turbo mode rather than tirbo most of the time. :)

Fair points and happy new year!

 

I know there is a minor face-lift due for cx5, SE's don't have any info on the new model (for the past 2 months) let alone be able take orders for it. That is despite their currently stock levels being near zero. To be fair, Kah Motors is the same. If they don't have a colour in stock, they can't reserve the colour from a future indent on the 'system'.

 

Suppose that's a side effect of the SG car market being so expensive and small. No dealer is willing to risk buying or ordering stock until they get rid of existing stock. Not great for the consumer.

 

From what I can gather, each dealer has different pricing policy. Kah Motors don't discount and have pretty stable pricing. So I figure if can't give discount due to policy, ask for more freebies. TEK have a specified discount off list price ($3k before the promotions started). I think this because I talked to 3 SE's and all gave the same standard discount.

 

I get your point around choosing a car that'll be 'good enough'. I'm a bit of a car enthusiast. I would love to be able to get a BMW M5, but I don't have a spare $300k extra lying around ;). So I could absolutely go for a cx-5 2.0, but knowing it doesn't have extra oomf when I need it would probably bother me. Willing to pay extra for the added power (within reason), but I don't want to be over-charged unjustifiably.

 

In any case, will likely go for the CRV. Best car for my needs right now, and priced more reasonably than the cx5.

[danielling1981]

Fair points and happy new year!

 

I know there is a minor face-lift due for cx5, SE's don't have any info on the new model (for the past 2 months) let alone be able take orders for it. That is despite their currently stock levels being near zero. To be fair, Kah Motors is the same. If they don't have a colour in stock, they can't reserve the colour from a future indent on the 'system'.

 

Suppose that's a side effect of the SG car market being so expensive and small. No dealer is willing to risk buying or ordering stock until they get rid of existing stock. Not great for the consumer.

 

From what I can gather, each dealer has different pricing policy. Kah Motors don't discount and have pretty stable pricing. So I figure if can't give discount due to policy, ask for more freebies. TEK have a specified discount off list price ($3k before the promotions started). I think this because I talked to 3 SE's and all gave the same standard discount.

 

I get your point around choosing a car that'll be 'good enough'. I'm a bit of a car enthusiast. I would love to be able to get a BMW M5, but I don't have a spare $300k extra lying around ;). So I could absolutely go for a cx-5 2.0, but knowing it doesn't have extra oomf when I need it would probably bother me. Willing to pay extra for the added power (within reason), but I don't want to be over-charged unjustifiably.

 

In any case, will likely go for the CRV. Best car for my needs right now, and priced more reasonably than the cx5.

I guess it's bad luck that happens cx 5 is not in stock now. Makes a lot of sense regarding the high price and risk of having stocks.

 

I guess that's also why it's only 3 k discount. No stocks to clear.

 

As for extra power i guess if you put it that way it's true. But i think if you put your foot down, 2L will give you feeling. But then again i didn't test drive cx 5 at all.

 

Also for power within reasonable price, why not cx 5 2.5L?

And also if not in a rush to change, try waiting for the new skyactive x. Then you get Also 2 and 2.5L turbo. (Maybe)

[Raynergoh]

Hi all, am driving a m6, 2016... still have 6 months warranty left.

 

Recently, realised my reverse senors gives the long beep even when I’m far from any obstacles. Further the reverse beeps are very loud. I went back to Mazda service centre, the one at Penjuru road.. they said reverse sensor is 3rd party, and only 1 year warranty????

 

Also the Papago gosafe 360 front dash cam occasionally requires me to rekey in the date and time after car starts up... sometimes it’s ok.. may I ask if any one with the same experience? Any idea wat happened?

[danielling1981]

Hi all, am driving a m6, 2016... still have 6 months warranty left.

 

Recently, realised my reverse senors gives the long beep even when Iâm far from any obstacles. Further the reverse beeps are very loud. I went back to Mazda service centre, the one at Penjuru road.. they said reverse sensor is 3rd party, and only 1 year warranty????

 

Also the Papago gosafe 360 front dash cam occasionally requires me to rekey in the date and time after car starts up... sometimes itâs ok.. may I ask if any one with the same experience? Any idea wat happened?

The long beep is it all the time? Or just sometimes and hopefully quite rare.

Could be false alarm due to wind blowing stuff to move, etc.

We Won't notice this and will think that there's a fault.

 

If it happens all the time, check if there's anything stuck or dangling near the sensors.

 

Finally go back to dealer and play the goodwill card and try.

 

 

As for car camera. Likely internal battery is dead.

Could diy to change if you wish to try.

[Raynergoh]

The long beep is it all the time? Or just sometimes and hopefully quite rare.

Could be false alarm due to wind blowing stuff to move, etc.

We Won't notice this and will think that there's a fault.

 

If it happens all the time, check if there's anything stuck or dangling near the sensors.

 

Finally go back to dealer and play the goodwill card and try.

 

 

As for car camera. Likely internal battery is dead.

Could diy to change if you wish to try.

Thanks man! Have looked at my sensors, nothing blocking.. the Long beep is sometimes, not always.. but when it comes on, den have to be extra careful coz not sure of the distance... sometimes the intermittent beep will also sound weird... not sure how to explain.. but Will try Leng Kee and see what they say... I’ll search online about replacing internal batt for the papago

 

 

have also noticed more issues with my m6,2016... not sure if I’m overly sensitive (coz warranty left 6 months) or should be geniunely concerned... hope bros here can give some advice..

 

1) when cold start, engine runs very loudly, den after 1-2 minutes soften down... is this normal?

 

2) when Low speed, come to full stop, engine vibrate like going to stall for last 1 Sec...

 

3) sport mode, gear seems like stuck at 60/70km/hr

 

4) when shift frm drive to reverse and vice versa, gear shifting is quite loud

Edited January 17, 2019 by Raynergoh

[thesoul]

Thanks man! Have looked at my sensors, nothing blocking.. the Long beep is sometimes, not always.. but when it comes on, den have to be extra careful coz not sure of the distance... sometimes the intermittent beep will also sound weird... not sure how to explain.. but Will try Leng Kee and see what they say... Iâll search online about replacing internal batt for the papago

 

 

have also noticed more issues with my m6,2016... not sure if Iâm overly sensitive (coz warranty left 6 months) or should be geniunely concerned... hope bros here can give some advice..

 

1) when cold start, engine runs very loudly, den after 1-2 minutes soften down... is this normal?

 

2) when Low speed, come to full stop, engine vibrate like going to stall for last 1 Sec...

 

3) sport mode, gear seems like stuck at 60/70km/hr

 

4) when shift frm drive to reverse and vice versa, gear shifting is quite loud

1) Its the same for mazda 3 and 6 for cold start. Trying to sound like mazdarati :)

 

2) Could be either programming issue or mounting issue. Since your car is close to 3 yo, im leaning towards mounting issue and it can be fixed when u highlight to TEK during 60k servicing.