Flyover collapses at Upper Changi, PIE

[Atonchia]

Problem is some country have serious budgetary (mainly), technical, corruption issues, so it will happen as a matter of time because too many constraints are at play.

 

Technical and corruption issues are unlikely to be the issue here.

Singapore has money, but it seems the ideological hang up with cheaper cheaper cheaper can create unnecessary risk.

Some designs need to be over engineered rather than under.

 

We know all phases of construction have risks and this is not even due to site management issue, it due to design flaws not able to sustain the load.

 

Lowest budget meant all design must be bordering the minimum load limits and minimum materials to be within budget.

 

Maybe on papers the design is structurally sound, but during building phase, the load of the viaducts are not evenly distributed to the columns and being cantilevered before extended to the next adjoining column.

 

Collapsing structure is a big issue.

LTA and the main con must ensure safety lapse be addressed if it's design flaws, then must rework the columns.

[Kusje]

If I'm the MC committee who's doing the legal work, I'll only sue the main developer and the co-developer as they're the main party that the owners deal with to purchase the condo. The so call main contractor and sub-contractors are none of my concern since I'm not the one who engage them.

 

It's up to the main developer and co-developer to seek to recover the damage from their main contractor and sub-contractors.

Court say cannot claim lol. I have no idea what kind of laws we have. That's why someone said can only claim the Bangla.

 

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/seaview-condo-defects-residents-hit-snag

[Sdf4786k]

Later someone complain why pay more expensive for goods or services then they get more busy having to explain the rationale..

I remember last time we had BMW and Volvo for TP car and it drew so much questions from the public for not being prudent with public funds

 

Yes, we now know for a fact that the Scooby was causing more problems and maintenance then whats the saving was.

[Philipkee]

Yes, we now know for a fact that the Scooby was causing more problems and maintenance then whats the saving was.

From my experience and observations

 

1) CEO A save on maintenance or get low bids and thus increase bottomline via savings. He gets the credit and bonus and maybe gets to move on.

 

2) CEO B takes over from CEO A. Because of lack of maintenance or low quality products obtained during the time of CEO A, there is now an increase of expenditure which might even exceed any savings earlier. HOWEVER, CEO B gets the flak because the reduced bottomline occurs during his time and not his predecessor's time.

 

The lack of accountability like clawing back CEO A's bonuses only make people want to be CEO A, which is profit at all costs and leave before anything happens and let the next guy settle.

 

In case of subcontractor I think it is similar. Govt set criteria. Main contractor bids and accepts the criteria. Bid awarded. Govt now in the clear. Main contractor sub out to sub contractor. Sub contractor accepts criteria and wins the job. Main contractor is in the clear. Subcontractor might subcontract out to other Subcontractor.

 

Bottom line. Anything goes wrong, govt points to main contractor who points to sub contractor who might point to sub sub contractor and since no one is specifically responsible for anything, it is hard to pursue a legal case unless you have big bucks.

 

By subcontracting you push the buck to the next guy and in big projects with overlapping responsibilities and contracts and subcontracts, finding that "next guy" is tricky.

 

Two cents

[Hoseyboh]

From my experience and observations

 

1) CEO A save on maintenance or get low bids and thus increase bottomline via savings. He gets the credit and bonus and maybe gets to move on.

 

2) CEO B takes over from CEO A. Because of lack of maintenance or low quality products obtained during the time of CEO A, there is now an increase of expenditure which might even exceed any savings earlier. HOWEVER, CEO B gets the flak because the reduced bottomline occurs during his time and not his predecessor's time.

 

The lack of accountability like clawing back CEO A's bonuses only make people want to be CEO A, which is profit at all costs and leave before anything happens and let the next guy settle.

 

In case of subcontractor I think it is similar. Govt set criteria. Main contractor bids and accepts the criteria. Bid awarded. Govt now in the clear. Main contractor sub out to sub contractor. Sub contractor accepts criteria and wins the job. Main contractor is in the clear. Subcontractor might subcontract out to other Subcontractor.

 

Bottom line. Anything goes wrong, govt points to main contractor who points to sub contractor who might point to sub sub contractor and since no one is specifically responsible for anything, it is hard to pursue a legal case unless you have big bucks.

 

By subcontracting you push the buck to the next guy and in big projects with overlapping responsibilities and contracts and subcontracts, finding that "next guy" is tricky.

 

Two cents

You are right. Tia kong siblings cannot get along...

Another Oxley saga brewing....standby popcorn...

[DACH]

Another case within 3 days.

 

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/worker-falls-and-dies-at-construction-site-on-sembawang-road-mom-investigating-incident

 

RIP

 

Worker falls and dies at construction site in Sembawang Road

SINGAPORE - A 41-year-old worker fell from a building under construction in Sembawang on Friday (July 14) and died, in the second reported work site fatality that day.

A spokesman for the Ministry of Manpower told The Straits Times on Saturday (July 15) that it was notified that the worker had fallen from a building under construction along Sembawang Road on Friday and died.

"The worker was supervising a group of three to prepare to receive the prefabricated bathroom unit for installation when he fell over the edge of the building to the ground level," said the MOM spokesman.

The worker was employed by Zong Yang Pte Ltd, and the main contractor is Qingdao Construction (Singapore) Pte Ltd.

MOM is currently investigating the incident.

The police said they were alerted at 1.47pm to a case of unnatural death at 513, Canberra Drive.

A 41-year-old man was found lying motionless on the ground and was pronounced dead by paramedics at the scene. Police investigations are ongoing.

Earlier on Friday, one worker died and 10 others were injured when an uncompleted structure linking the Tampines Expressway (TPE) to the Pan-Island Expressway (PIE) collapsed.

Edited July 16, 2017 by DACH

[Wt_know]

hearsay, safety protocols and simi risk assessments are wayang only ... timeline for delivery is top priority !

[Showster]

Another case within 3 days.

 

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/worker-falls-and-dies-at-construction-site-on-sembawang-road-mom-investigating-incident

 

RIP

Worker falls and dies at construction site in Sembawang Road

SINGAPORE - A 41-year-old worker fell from a building under construction in Sembawang on Friday (July 14) and died, in the second reported work site fatality that day.

A spokesman for the Ministry of Manpower told The Straits Times on Saturday (July 15) that it was notified that the worker had fallen from a building under construction along Sembawang Road on Friday and died.

"The worker was supervising a group of three to prepare to receive the prefabricated bathroom unit for installation when he fell over the edge of the building to the ground level," said the MOM spokesman.

The worker was employed by Zong Yang Pte Ltd, and the main contractor is Qingdao Construction (Singapore) Pte Ltd.

MOM is currently investigating the incident.

The police said they were alerted at 1.47pm to a case of unnatural death at 513, Canberra Drive.

 

 

 

A 41-year-old man was found lying motionless on the ground and was pronounced dead by paramedics at the scene. Police investigations are ongoing.

Earlier on Friday, one worker died and 10 others were injured when an uncompleted structure linking the Tampines Expressway (TPE) to the Pan-Island Expressway (PIE) collapsed.

Actually is same day.

[Karoon]

From my experience and observations

 

1) CEO A save on maintenance or get low bids and thus increase bottomline via savings. He gets the credit and bonus and maybe gets to move on.

 

2) CEO B takes over from CEO A. Because of lack of maintenance or low quality products obtained during the time of CEO A, there is now an increase of expenditure which might even exceed any savings earlier. HOWEVER, CEO B gets the flak because the reduced bottomline occurs during his time and not his predecessor's time.

 

The lack of accountability like clawing back CEO A's bonuses only make people want to be CEO A, which is profit at all costs and leave before anything happens and let the next guy settle.

 

In case of subcontractor I think it is similar. Govt set criteria. Main contractor bids and accepts the criteria. Bid awarded. Govt now in the clear. Main contractor sub out to sub contractor. Sub contractor accepts criteria and wins the job. Main contractor is in the clear. Subcontractor might subcontract out to other Subcontractor.

 

Bottom line. Anything goes wrong, govt points to main contractor who points to sub contractor who might point to sub sub contractor and since no one is specifically responsible for anything, it is hard to pursue a legal case unless you have big bucks.

 

By subcontracting you push the buck to the next guy and in big projects with overlapping responsibilities and contracts and subcontracts, finding that "next guy" is tricky.

 

Two cents

In the end its all moktar fault.

[Wt_know]

moktar responsibilities is so much higher than project manager > director > ceo of the company

moktar for president .... ...

 

In the end its all moktar fault.

[Uncle2]

http://www.theindependent.sg/government-portal-may-lead-to-contractors-cutting-corners-contractor-on-viaduct-collapse/

 

A good read

[DACH]

http://www.theindependent.sg/government-portal-may-lead-to-contractors-cutting-corners-contractor-on-viaduct-collapse/

 

A good read

I wonder if this contractor will continue in this industry after exposing these openly in this article...

[Uncle2]

I wonder if this contractor will continue in this industry after exposing these openly in this article...

I think he "Tan Kao Liao" earned enough already.

[Playtime]

Some designs need to be over engineered rather than under.

 

We know all phases of construction have risks and this is not even due to site management issue, it due to design flaws not able to sustain the load.

 

Lowest budget meant all design must be bordering the minimum load limits and minimum materials to be within budget.

 

Maybe on papers the design is structurally sound, but during building phase, the load of the viaducts are not evenly distributed to the columns and being cantilevered before extended to the next adjoining column.

 

Collapsing structure is a big issue.

LTA and the main con must ensure safety lapse be addressed if it's design flaws, then must rework the columns.

Well looking at pictures of the columns that have suffered huge cracks exposing the inner bars.

May have to remove and redo new columns liao..

If really they collapsed because of the weight of water in wet concrete being poured. .. well well.. lucky it collapsed now.. not when trailers and buses start using it.

 

The cost of redoing must be crazy, especially if the other columns also have problems.

 

If the Co just declares bankrupt, wonder who picks up the bill then.

[Neost]

I wonder if this contractor will continue in this industry after exposing these openly in this article...

 

The contractor is just stating the fact. This type of thing happens everywhere whereby one contractor thinks the bid price will lose money but the other thinks is still doable. Whether cut corners or not is hard to proof as supposedly there are many checkpoints in the system to prevent a square table becoming a round table cause all corners were cut

 

Announcing all losing bid prices is to ensure transparency.

 

As for this Changi case, we need to wait for the investigation report to be out to know the truth. But I don't think is cutting corners. OKP is not a fly by night contractor. They are around for 50 yrs

[Wt_know]

a lot of "new" method, concept, prefab, material, etc had been introduced in the last decade in the name of faster, cheaper and better. we need to ensure those new way of working is "sustainable" !

 

in the good old days ... anything is BUILT TO LAST (smelly smelly could last 100 years) ... now chop chop curry pop?

 

The contractor is just stating the fact. This type of thing happens everywhere whereby one contractor thinks the bid price will lose money but the other thinks is still doable. Whether cut corners or not is hard to proof as supposedly there are many checkpoints in the system to prevent a square table becoming a round table cause all corners were cut

 

Announcing all losing bid prices is to ensure transparency.

 

As for this Changi case, we need to wait for the investigation report to be out to know the truth. But I don't think is cutting corners. OKP is not a fly by night contractor. They are around for 50 yrs

 

Edited July 17, 2017 by Wt_know

[Jusnel]

Court say cannot claim lol. I have no idea what kind of laws we have. That's why someone said can only claim the Bangla.

 

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/seaview-condo-defects-residents-hit-snag

Not surprised.

 

Botanic tree fell and killed someone and injured few ppl.

 

Govt say also cannot claim from botanic coz they say due diligence in maintenance has been performed. But who check them?

[PSP415]

Not surprised.

 

Botanic tree fell and killed someone and injured few ppl.

 

Govt say also cannot claim from botanic coz they say due diligence in maintenance has been performed. But who check them?

Think it is not just about who checked them but who decides that those trees are fit to stand the wear of weather. The one checking can be performing an administrative aspect of maintenance versus one who will dutifully look for tell tale signs that a tree may be structurally unsound liao.

 

So, if got time and enough sense of unfairness felt, go hire a lawyer and dig up what is wrong or went wrong here. Mind you, Mother Nature in her foul mood can uproot even the healthiest tree with or without due maintenance. If time for whoever beneath passing by then, also no amount of due maintenance helps. These are the only "excuse"...act of God.

 

Personal thoughts.

 

 

Safe ride. Make peace daily with Maker and cherish loved ones. Lives these days getting shorter and more precious.

 

Cheers