ER-3682 Supersonic December 5, 2023 Share December 5, 2023 On 12/5/2023 at 3:50 PM, inlinesix said: 2 benefit of PHEV: 1. Bigger battery; 2. Charge from wall socket. It is either 220v or EV charging station. Need to do the setting in idrive. So not like Toyota Hybrid.?Engine cannot charge the Battery.?Then is useless.! ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mkl22 Supersonic December 5, 2023 Share December 5, 2023 On 12/5/2023 at 3:50 PM, Spidey10 said: Electronics and German cars = recipe for disaster... no wonder EV cars sales like dropping off a cliff....and 2nd hand value gonna 😭....who dare to buy Tesla or EV 2nd hand now....maybe the cost of batt replacement is more than the cost of the car soon... thus who dare to shout loudly that they have warranty. Warranty in singapore is a farce. only under the threat of a law suit or a huge fist to bang the table, else manufacturers will drag out the repairs and make you suffer. then you finally cannot take it and rid the car and then it is someone elses problem. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Hypersonic December 5, 2023 Share December 5, 2023 On 12/5/2023 at 3:50 PM, Spidey10 said: Electronics and German cars = recipe for disaster... no wonder EV cars sales like dropping off a cliff....and 2nd hand value gonna 😭....who dare to buy Tesla or EV 2nd hand now....maybe the cost of batt replacement is more than the cost of the car soon... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Hypersonic December 5, 2023 Share December 5, 2023 On 12/5/2023 at 3:53 PM, ER-3682 said: So not like Toyota Hybrid.?Engine cannot charge the Battery.?Then is useless.! PHEV can also be charged via engine. it will take longer time to full due to bigger battery. Toyota also got PHEV. Not in Singapore Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mkl22 Supersonic December 5, 2023 Share December 5, 2023 On 12/5/2023 at 3:54 PM, inlinesix said: you sure that the battery degradation is linear. maybe at 300k km it drops off like a cliff. . it just takes 1-2 cells to render the car non driveable. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Hypersonic December 5, 2023 Share December 5, 2023 On 12/5/2023 at 3:56 PM, Mkl22 said: you sure that the battery degradation is linear. maybe at 300k km it drops off like a cliff. . it just takes 1-2 cells to render the car non driveable. Who in Singapore drive 300k km in 10 years? Unlike you, most ppl will change car by 5 or 6 year liao. The problem with Singapore is we don't have the ppl to change those cells. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ER-3682 Supersonic December 5, 2023 Share December 5, 2023 On 12/5/2023 at 3:54 PM, Mkl22 said: thus who dare to shout loudly that they have warranty. Warranty in singapore is a farce. only under the threat of a law suit or a huge fist to bang the table, else manufacturers will drag out the repairs and make you suffer. then you finally cannot take it and rid the car and then it is someone elses problem. Buy Car time,Salesman talked until got Sea got Mountain,Claim Warranty..not Salesman Problem. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ER-3682 Supersonic December 5, 2023 Share December 5, 2023 On 12/5/2023 at 3:56 PM, inlinesix said: PHEV can also be charged via engine. it will take longer time to full due to bigger battery. Toyota also got PHEV. Not in Singapore Then at least the Car can drive,only higher FC.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Hypersonic December 5, 2023 Share December 5, 2023 On 12/5/2023 at 4:16 PM, ER-3682 said: Buy Car time,Salesman talked until got Sea got Mountain,Claim Warranty..not Salesman Problem. In General, Singapore doesn't have Consumer Protection Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Hypersonic December 5, 2023 Share December 5, 2023 (edited) On 12/5/2023 at 4:17 PM, ER-3682 said: Then at least the Car can drive,only higher FC.. Unlikely you will face this problem. Most battery can last up to 160k km before major degradation. Edited December 5, 2023 by inlinesix Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey10 Supercharged December 5, 2023 Share December 5, 2023 On 12/5/2023 at 3:54 PM, Mkl22 said: thus who dare to shout loudly that they have warranty. Warranty in singapore is a farce. only under the threat of a law suit or a huge fist to bang the table, else manufacturers will drag out the repairs and make you suffer. then you finally cannot take it and rid the car and then it is someone elses problem. Kicking the grenade down the road ha.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey10 Supercharged December 5, 2023 Share December 5, 2023 On 12/5/2023 at 3:59 PM, inlinesix said: Who in Singapore drive 300k km in 10 years? Unlike you, most ppl will change car by 5 or 6 year liao. The problem with Singapore is we don't have the ppl to change those cells. that's why there will be no 2nd hand value.....who will buy? ....drive 5 yr can scrap ba.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey10 Supercharged December 5, 2023 Share December 5, 2023 On 12/5/2023 at 4:25 PM, inlinesix said: Unlikely you will face this problem. Most battery can last up to 160k km before major degradation. new buyer problem.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Hypersonic December 5, 2023 Share December 5, 2023 (edited) On 12/5/2023 at 4:42 PM, Spidey10 said: that's why there will be no 2nd hand value.....who will buy? ....drive 5 yr can scrap ba.... 160k km in 5 years only applies to Carbon82. Most ppl only 60k to 70k km in 5 years. No issue with major degradation until COE expire Edited December 5, 2023 by inlinesix Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mkl22 Supersonic December 5, 2023 Share December 5, 2023 On 12/5/2023 at 3:59 PM, inlinesix said: Who in Singapore drive 300k km in 10 years? Unlike you, most ppl will change car by 5 or 6 year liao. The problem with Singapore is we don't have the ppl to change those cells. The car at 5-6th year will be bought by someone right? Unless export which is also bought and used by some one. So…… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ER-3682 Supersonic December 5, 2023 Share December 5, 2023 @Mkl22 ...Good Luck to the next Owner.! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inlinefour Twincharged December 5, 2023 Share December 5, 2023 On 12/5/2023 at 5:01 PM, inlinesix said: 160k km in 5 years only applies to Carbon82. Most ppl only 60k to 70k km in 5 years. No issue with major degradation until COE expire me 5k/year max only thats why no point buy eScooter oops typo ev 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Hypersonic December 5, 2023 Share December 5, 2023 (edited) On 12/5/2023 at 7:03 PM, Mkl22 said: The car at 5-6th year will be bought by someone right? Unless export which is also bought and used by some one. So…… Even at 5th or 6th year, most car are like 60k - 70k km mileage. It is still 200k km away. Edited December 5, 2023 by inlinesix ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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