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Singapore RECKLESS drivers thread Part IV

RadX

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1fast1

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I think you misunderstood me. Fish tailing and losing control due to braking has no relation to whether the car is fwd or rwd or awd as long as no power is applied.

Awd does not help to prevent fish tailing unless you apply power in a controlled manner.

 

The orange gtr also fish tailed

 

I was addressing your original post here (bolded emphasis added):

 

But the need for AWD is only apparent in slippery conditions or with a torquey and powerful engine.

 

AWD on especially the 100bhp 1.6 subaru impreza is over-rated and unnecessary in Singapore. its like a 4wd kei car in japan where it helps only on icy roads. Else its just added weight and drag. 100bhp just doesn't have the power to break traction to matter. yes we have wet roads but unless you fling the car and stab the pedal to the metal. even then i doubt 4wd with 100bhp help to power you out of danger.

IMHO i find it odd that many says 4WD/AWD makes them feel safer in a 100bhp impreza. i just cannot fathom how so.

I was showing how even without (overly) heroic manoeuvres, it's quite possible for a FWD with sub-100hp to break rear traction in a really bad way.

 

I also believe AWD would have made the situation better in that case and similar cases.

 

AWD is not a magic bullet by any means. You're right that AWD can fishtail.

 

AWD is most helpful when:

 

1) the tyres are good enough for conditions (duh!)

 

2) the car's torque doesn't overwhelm the system - so its use in a 100hp Impreza is actually spot-on.

 

3) the system is not inherently too rear-biased (like in the GTR). The stock Impreza (non turbo) AWD is more FWD biased, if memory serves. Only the STI comes with an inherent rear bias (which is adjustable by the DCCD).

 

If any of those conditions aren't met, AWD may be no better than RWD (with an inferior traction control system) in saving one's ass. But in a low powered AWD car like the Impreza, I believe those conditions are met. The car likely won't fishtail given the same circumstances that this Attrage was subjected to. Once it senses rear wheel slippage, the AWD system should've been fast enough to cut power to the rears and direct them to the front (where there is still grip) to arrest the car's pivoting. However, with a simple FWD setup and a fishtail situation that's caused by sudden weight transfer, there's no way to redistribute torque to help the driver recover.

 

In contrast, with a truly powerful car, AWD won't (can't) save the day when the driver doesn't know what he's doing in adverse conditions.

 

 

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Ct3833

Ct3833

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Lane splitting while traffic is in motion is illegal. You are changing lanes without signal too.

 

While stationary (like at traffic lights) I am not sure, but in the traffic while in motion it illegal and dangers (stupid too)

Lane splitting is certainly not illegal, otherwise many bikers would have been caught every day.

According to study, lane splitting undr 80km/h, and if not more than 20km faster than the surrounding moving vehicles, it is not dangerous. Moreover, motorbikes travlling in lane has it own risks and problems too.

There are so many lane splitting on the road everyday in Singapore and elesswhere, without having a full understanding of risk and benefit of lane splitting, one should not brand those people's behaviius as being stupid.

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Beehive3783

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As you can see, even normal driving is not safe.

 

Just normal change lane and reactive swerve can flip.

Langgar tipper truck can burst into flames.

 

I can't think of better words to describe this car.

 

Bo pian have to buy is one thing, but it's another when the car is really lousy.

 

i think this Mitsubitshi Model fail the "Moose" test,same as the 1st batch Mercedes Benz A- Class 20 years ago.


Cannot condemmed a Car Model like this,this is a cheap B&B car for normal use,not for high speed driving & for racing,who like to drive a B&B car if can afford a more expensive Car.?

 

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Heman75

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The Merc driver shouldn't need to worry at all. Can explain to the judge that Merc sound insulation too good cannot hear or feel any impact.

 

I am quite sure that the merc driver is playing his phone and never notice his car has drifted. alot of young drivers are doing that now based on my daily encounters. of cos there are old ones doing that too

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Kb27

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Lane splitting is certainly not illegal, otherwise many bikers would have been caught every day.

According to study, lane splitting undr 80km/h, and if not more than 20km faster than the surrounding moving vehicles, it is not dangerous. Moreover, motorbikes travlling in lane has it own risks and problems too.

There are so many lane splitting on the road everyday in Singapore and elesswhere, without having a full understanding of risk and benefit of lane splitting, one should not brand those people's behaviius as being stupid.

 

Yeap, lane splitting is not illegal. If you can do it, why not ?

Even cars and taxi can lane split.

Perhaps, we should just remove all the lane markings and be like the wild wild west.

 

The smart bikers will slow down, when traffic slows down.

The stupid ones will just chiong ahead.

I like to see them bcum minced meat, caught between lorries and buses.

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Jman888

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road cha cha

 

 

wtf is this driver doing????

 

 

 

the camera vehicle was a bus or lorry?  maybe they pissed off the silver car earlier so he chut this pattern.

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Ct3833

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Yeap, lane splitting is not illegal. If you can do it, why not ?

Even cars and taxi can lane split.

Perhaps, we should just remove all the lane markings and be like the wild wild west.

 

The smart bikers will slow down, when traffic slows down.

The stupid ones will just chiong ahead.

I like to see them bcum minced meat, caught between lorries and buses.

Bro,

I am not a rider myself and i dislike those errant riders but not all riders are bad and inconsiderate. And Lane splitting exist and being popular for it own reasons, by saying removing all the line is a emotional statement, we know it does not work that way.  Cars, trucks and buses also have the fair share of inconsiderate drivers, just that the bikers are more vulnerable when they get into an accident.  Hope to see all the road users  to be more considerate and be more accommodating to one another .

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RadX

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Bro,

I am not a rider myself and i dislike those errant riders but not all riders are bad and inconsiderate. And Lane splitting exist and being popular for it own reasons, by saying removing all the line is a emotional statement, we know it does not work that way.  Cars, trucks and buses also have the fair share of inconsiderate drivers, just that the bikers are more vulnerable when they get into an accident.  Hope to see all the road users  to be more considerate and be more accommodating to one another .

 

 

agree with you BUT it seems more baddies as opposed to those well behaved ones

 

and thing is, they are the ones to bear the brunt most, organs spilling, etc in event of any catastrophe

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Sdf4786k

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play blocking mah .. quite common.. first time seeing meh ?

 

kanna one time black camry zigza with a taxi .. realise later was a police car when he put his blinker on 

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Kb27

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Bro,

I am not a rider myself and i dislike those errant riders but not all riders are bad and inconsiderate. And Lane splitting exist and being popular for it own reasons, by saying removing all the line is a emotional statement, we know it does not work that way.  Cars, trucks and buses also have the fair share of inconsiderate drivers, just that the bikers are more vulnerable when they get into an accident.  Hope to see all the road users  to be more considerate and be more accommodating to one another .

 

I am a biker myself.

If you don't respect yourself by not following lanes, then no one needs to respect you.

If you get squished and go down on the ground, you are most likely to be blamed.

 

Then you start to wonder, why the need for lane markings in the first place ?

So that some can bypassed the lane markings bcuz they can ?

 

If you want to talk about riding school, have you seen the instructors teaching trainees how to lane split ?

No, they occupy one lane and follow traffic.

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Sdf4786k

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I am a biker myself.

If you don't respect yourself by not following lanes, then no one needs to respect you.

If you get squished and go down on the ground, you are most likely to be blamed.

 

Then you start to wonder, why the need for lane markings in the first place ?

So that some can bypassed the lane markings bcuz they can ?

 

If you want to talk about riding school, have you seen the instructors teaching trainees how to lane split ?

No, they occupy one lane and follow traffic.

 

If you being to KL and drive there, a 3 lane traffic is actually a 5 lane traffic in peak hour.

 

So they bring the same mentality to SG so that the locals here adopt and accept the practice.

 

Just like now, if you drive to work at BKE at 730 to 9 am. The Malaysian bikers will cluster together at a fast pace and beep beep beep all over you so that you are aware that they are beside you instead of following a good practice of road safety behavior.

 

If they follow good practice, they will sacrifice the time they have at the breakfast stop to mingle with their friends.

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asiaroadwarrior

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I am a biker myself.

If you don't respect yourself by not following lanes, then no one needs to respect you.

If you get squished and go down on the ground, you are most likely to be blamed.

 

Then you start to wonder, why the need for lane markings in the first place ?

So that some can bypassed the lane markings bcuz they can ?

 

If you want to talk about riding school, have you seen the instructors teaching trainees how to lane split ?

No, they occupy one lane and follow traffic.

 

Agree.  

 

Lane splitting IS illegal while traffic is in motion.  It is just not enforced.  It's silly, dangerous and needs to be enforced.  Please check with TP you will see it is illegal and it should be enforced.  Too many people in accidents.

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