2017 - 2021 2nd Generation Volvo XC60

[jjandyy]

After owning 2 Volvos, I think they are generally safer than other cars, but in Singapore as we don't drive that fast and our roads are fairly safe, it may not be that much difference.

 

My personal experience in an accident last year. I was driving my XC60 (the generation 1), raining at AYE, driving quite slowly. The car in front was Nissan Latio, he stopped suddenly because I think the cars in front stopped. I managed to stop at least half a car length behind him. Then the mini lorry behind me did not stop in time and slam into me, push my car which hit the Nissan in front of me. Luckily my car cam recorder already showed me stationary when the lorry hit me behind, so I was not liable for the damage to the Nissan in front, The lorry behind insurance had to pay for mine and the Nissan in front.

 

The Nissan drive came out, he has mild neck pain due to the whiplash injury when my car hit his from behind. I was ok even though the impact on me was higher because the lorry slam into me, then push me to hit him. That is because the Volvo seat is designed for this type of whiplash injury, the head rest cannot be height adjusted compared to almost all the cars where you can adjust the headrest. This is because their research showed that if you adjust the headrest, many times your adjustment is wrong. 

 

I looked at the damaged of my rear, being a SUV, it has a shorter tail. Luckily there was no rear passenger but even if there is, the structure of the rear was very strong, only the rear windscreen shattered but there was no intrusion into the passenger compartment. 

 

Yes, many cars today also have NCAP 5 stars, but I think it is whether the manufacturer trying to game the system of genuinely wanted safety. In 2012, I remember reading this report from the US Ihis (the equivalent to Euro NCAP):

 

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/sr/statusreport/article/47/6/1

 

In that year, they introduce a small overlap head on collision in addition to the standard bigger overlap collision because many of the accidents the overlap is small (in Singapore we seldom get head on collision so this is not so important to us). A safe car should be able to withstand small overlap collision and it should have much stronger structure to prevent deformity. When the test was first introduced, it was a shocked for the Audi, BMW, Merc and Lexus as you see in the report, some of them fared poorly because they did not consider that as a safety feature but the Volvo S60 came out top with Acura which is Honda.

 

Subsequently all the other manufacturers strengthen this part and today the new models all of them also performed excellent. This show Volvo was ahead of the game in identifying safety issues before the rest. You can look at the videos of some of the cars which fared poorly and the intrusion into the passenger compartment is quite scary.

 

Yes, my experience with Wearnes is they tend to have greater profit margin if you look at the Volvo lower OMV value vs the other luxury cars. Also the Volvo engine and build quality is slightly below the German brand (I had Merc before my 2 Volvos and now I move to Audi so I can compare the quality), engine a bit nosier. But the main reason I move out of Volvo was the shorter warranty of 3 years 100,000km compared to Audi 5 years unlimited mileage. One day if Volvo goes to 5 year unlimited milelage, I will go back to Volvo again.

 

 

 

I find cabin build quality is on-par, or somehow better than BMW. It could be the type of soft touch materials on the dash (it is shinier compared to BMW) and the use of matte chrome lines that I like personally.

 

One more thing, the seats on a Volvo is probably one of the best on any cars in terms of the design and build. Even the lower and mid-range get great seats. Compare that to the BMW 2,3, X1, X3 series, you will get what I mean....

[AFWE69]

I find cabin build quality is on-par, or somehow better than BMW. It could be the type of soft touch materials on the dash (it is shinier compared to BMW) and the use of matte chrome lines that I like personally.

 

One more thing, the seats on a Volvo is probably one of the best on any cars in terms of the design and build. Even the lower and mid-range get great seats. Compare that to the BMW 2,3, X1, X3 series, you will get what I mean....

 

No idea about Volvo seats but BMW seats are not very supportive for sure, but that's not something everyone sensitive too.

[Newbie26]

everyone of us may have our own fair share of experiences.

 

NCAP 5 stars is a guide and some Jap cars also have 5 stars too

 

when a small jap car gets into a major accident, 5 stars or not, one wont want to be in it

 

Have been a passenger inside a honda, volvo and merc in 3 separate accidents that also involved other makes

 

the honda splits at the bonnet and front seat in a minor accident, was a front seat passenger, what a harrowing experience

 

volvo was hit on the side in another minor one, the jap car front was significantly damaged, the volvo just had a small dent, unbelievable

 

side to side accident involving merc and korean car, both dented equally passenger doors

 

of course every accident is different depending on nature of impact and speed, but based on my experiences, stand by volvo

 

volvo seats are best in class and the build is very solid, maybe BMW is close to it.

 

XC90 is like a 3 tonne tanker

 

no bias here, because am not driving a volvo

 

 

 

 

After owning 2 Volvos, I think they are generally safer than other cars, but in Singapore as we don't drive that fast and our roads are fairly safe, it may not be that much difference.

 

My personal experience in an accident last year. I was driving my XC60 (the generation 1), raining at AYE, driving quite slowly. The car in front was Nissan Latio, he stopped suddenly because I think the cars in front stopped. I managed to stop at least half a car length behind him. Then the mini lorry behind me did not stop in time and slam into me, push my car which hit the Nissan in front of me. Luckily my car cam recorder already showed me stationary when the lorry hit me behind, so I was not liable for the damage to the Nissan in front, The lorry behind insurance had to pay for mine and the Nissan in front.

 

The Nissan drive came out, he has mild neck pain due to the whiplash injury when my car hit his from behind. I was ok even though the impact on me was higher because the lorry slam into me, then push me to hit him. That is because the Volvo seat is designed for this type of whiplash injury, the head rest cannot be height adjusted compared to almost all the cars where you can adjust the headrest. This is because their research showed that if you adjust the headrest, many times your adjustment is wrong. 

 

I looked at the damaged of my rear, being a SUV, it has a shorter tail. Luckily there was no rear passenger but even if there is, the structure of the rear was very strong, only the rear windscreen shattered but there was no intrusion into the passenger compartment. 

 

Yes, many cars today also have NCAP 5 stars, but I think it is whether the manufacturer trying to game the system of genuinely wanted safety. In 2012, I remember reading this report from the US Ihis (the equivalent to Euro NCAP):

 

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/sr/statusreport/article/47/6/1

 

In that year, they introduce a small overlap head on collision in addition to the standard bigger overlap collision because many of the accidents the overlap is small (in Singapore we seldom get head on collision so this is not so important to us). A safe car should be able to withstand small overlap collision and it should have much stronger structure to prevent deformity. When the test was first introduced, it was a shocked for the Audi, BMW, Merc and Lexus as you see in the report, some of them fared poorly because they did not consider that as a safety feature but the Volvo S60 came out top with Acura which is Honda.

 

Subsequently all the other manufacturers strengthen this part and today the new models all of them also performed excellent. This show Volvo was ahead of the game in identifying safety issues before the rest. You can look at the videos of some of the cars which fared poorly and the intrusion into the passenger compartment is quite scary.

 

Yes, my experience with Wearnes is they tend to have greater profit margin if you look at the Volvo lower OMV value vs the other luxury cars. Also the Volvo engine and build quality is slightly below the German brand (I had Merc before my 2 Volvos and now I move to Audi so I can compare the quality), engine a bit nosier. But the main reason I move out of Volvo was the shorter warranty of 3 years 100,000km compared to Audi 5 years unlimited mileage. One day if Volvo goes to 5 year unlimited milelage, I will go back to Volvo again.

 

[jjandyy]

I am guessing you and many who claims that there are no way to differentiate a korean 5 star and conti 5 star ...  have not seen a full report for EuroNCAP report for a car....... Let me help you here

 

Don't have the latest XC60 report.... This is the last gen's

https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/volvo/xc60/11074

 

For comparison.... 

http://tps://www.euroncap.com/en/results/mercedes-benz/glc/21987

 

Am sure the new updated XC60 will do much better (still 5 star)..... Unless someone tells me EuroNCAP is bulls**t and must rely on marketing mumbo jumbo for objective measure of safety.... 

 

Easily accessible information for people interested enough and bothered enough to look beyond the stars rating. 

 

I rest my case. 

 

Wow, what a revelation after reading the EuroNCAP reports in details. So that led me to think that the tests, especially for Adult and Child occupants safety are really.... basic... with Frontal and Side Impact tests. How about roll-over, flip-over, etc, which are very real in our daily life? I like the analogy of exam grades. Not all As are equal. Some are more equal than the other outside the basic tests.

 

In case you want to know how Volvo made the difference in making sure people are more likely to survive real crashes in a Volvo (the new XC60), see below video. Not every carmakers will test their cars with tests beyond EuroNCAP frontal and side impact, tests like roll-over and real-life situations like going off the road and into the ditch....

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SbrY4v7Kxk

 

It makes a difference when "Some cars are engineered to pass crash tests, some are engineered to save lives when the crap hits the fan."

[Vratenza]

Did you even read all the points and percentages for each section? 

 

And yet you go back to harping on the "not all As are equal" when it is right in your face that all the sections are scored based on points system. 

 

A 5 stars GLC and a 5 stars Volvo XC60 scored very differently within each section if you bothered to read at all. 

 

Using your fancy motherhood statement 

"Some cars are engineered to pass crash tests, some are engineered to save lives when the crap hits the fan."

 

I can also say volvo cars are engineered to pass test they designed themself. Kind of like setting my own exam questions and pass it with flying colours. 

 

I give up.

 

Enjoy your volvo or the ones you are selling. 

 

Wow, what a revelation after reading the EuroNCAP reports in details. So that led me to think that the tests, especially for Adult and Child occupants safety are really.... basic... with Frontal and Side Impact tests. How about roll-over, flip-over, etc, which are very real in our daily life? I like the analogy of exam grades. Not all As are equal. Some are more equal than the other outside the basic tests.

 

In case you want to know how Volvo made the difference in making sure people are more likely to survive real crashes in a Volvo (the new XC60), see below video. Not every carmakers will test their cars with tests beyond EuroNCAP frontal and side impact, tests like roll-over and real-life situations like going off the road and into the ditch....

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SbrY4v7Kxk

 

It makes a difference when "Some cars are engineered to pass crash tests, some are engineered to save lives when the crap hits the fan."

 

[Kangz]

Did you even read all the points and percentages for each section? 

 

And yet you go back to harping on the "not all As are equal" when it is right in your face that all the sections are scored based on points system. 

 

A 5 stars GLC and a 5 stars Volvo XC60 scored very differently within each section if you bothered to read at all. 

 

Using your fancy motherhood statement 

"Some cars are engineered to pass crash tests, some are engineered to save lives when the crap hits the fan."

 

I can also say volvo cars are engineered to pass test they designed themself. Kind of like setting my own exam questions and pass it with flying colours. 

 

I give up.

 

Enjoy your volvo or the ones you are selling. 

Erm I am a little lost here, what exactly are you and jjandyy arguing about? To me both of you agree on that one main point  - jjandyy said not all 5* are equal and from the two links you posted (the GLC one is broken by the way), that is indeed the case. 

[SuPerBoRed]

Erm I am a little lost here, what exactly are you and jjandyy arguing about? To me both of you agree on that one main point  - jjandyy said not all 5* are equal and from the two links you posted (the GLC one is broken by the way), that is indeed the case. 

 

one say volvo good... one say volvo of cus good since they design own test...  

 

me says volvo too atas for me...    

[Sdf4786k]

one say volvo good... one say volvo of cus good since they design own test...  

 

me says volvo too atas for me...    

 

volvo like merc now got cheap version. Get the T2 lor if T5 is out of the question.

 

recurring cost seems ok if you service outside.

[Angcheek]

 

 

I give up.

 

Enjoy your volvo or the ones you are selling. 

 

 

  Did you sleep well ?      

[Kangz]

volvo like merc now got cheap version. Get the T2 lor if T5 is out of the question.

 

recurring cost seems ok if you service outside.

Gone are the days when the smallest engine capacity was a 2 litre TC 5 cylinder. Not sure if outside mechanics are able to handle the new SPA cars though.

[Mason016]

Its just a hunk of metal plus boron steel with comfortable seats lah.

 

Everyone got their preferences.  Wah liew.  Thread on new XC60 turn into who can pee further.  

[Vratenza]

Summary:

 

Never once I say Volvo no good, almost bought one myself.

 

The crash test figures say as much.

 

It's only when someone want to push it higher up the pedestal almost to the state of worshipping base on marketing propanda, that is where I have issue with.

 

And for goodness sake, for the last time, volvo makes good and safe cars and there is no volvo specific magic potion they add in their volvo factories to make them safer. It's all engineering and the rest of the motoring world have caught up, if not surpassed volvo.

 

Don't say internationally accepted and standardized objective test is not good just because you do not understand it. To me 5stars are the minimum standard for a safe enough car to buy. If you want the absolute safest, drill into each of the report to find out the differences within the 5stars alumni.

 

And the way local volvo AD is selling and pricing it leaves much to be desired. 

Edited August 22, 2017 by Vratenza

[Soya]

Even covfefe agree

[AFWE69]

Volvo cars are certainly very popular among Ang Moh Expats.

[Sdf4786k]

Volvo cars are certainly very popular among Ang Moh Expats.

 

same goes for jag. Very popular among the Ah neh expats

[Soya]

same goes for jag. Very popular among the Ah neh expats

Maybe those expats are from Tata? No choice but to support parent

[jjandyy]

Erm I am a little lost here, what exactly are you and jjandyy arguing about? To me both of you agree on that one main point  - jjandyy said not all 5* are equal and from the two links you posted (the GLC one is broken by the way), that is indeed the case. 

 

 

   

 

Somehow someone got the gist of the discussion and my points.

 

I was expecting a healthy 'debate' based on logical and factual reasoning. A little disappointed on how it turns out, but anyway....

 

I know it ended when assumptions were made that I cannot read or understand specs and certification. That's when I knew he totally missed the point. Also made his own assumption that I am implying that Volvo is designing test to pass themselves, when the link that I shared did not even show Volvo putting any ratings on those tests. Add the terms like 'I give up' and jumping to conclusion or suggesting that I am selling a Volvo. Maybe next I will become a staff of Volvo or Wearnes? (Did I even bring up that it is just not a convincing counter-argument to compare a test/rating done in 2009 to one done in 2015?).

 

 

Anyway, it is really up to individuals to believe that 'all schools are good school'. Just go to the one nearest to your home or the most convenience to you.....   

[Wyfitms]

I can say the same for the mazda 6 and lexus GS I owned and had experienced rear end accidents in them. I feel totally safe and not injured. No cabin intrusion as well. But that don't really tell me my Mazda 6 or GS is safer than the rest of the other makes/models. You get what I am trying to say.

No need to argue volvo safe or not. In a serious crash no car will save u. Touchwood

 

One thing we can agree is Volvo drivers are prudish uncle doctor or lawyer

I thought this thread got nice pics and review of the new xc60

 

Turns out to be another my car is the best thread