2017 - 2021 2nd Generation Volvo XC60

[Vratenza]

That is very old skool notion....previously it was the common held belief because of the tough tank (looks like one even) like built of the old days volvos before the days of crumple zone and airbags.

 

these days with objective tests and standard such as EuroNCAP ratings..... any car that can achieve full stars and points are safe enough for me.

 

If you are talkiing about build quality, fit and finish, I dare say most premium german and even lexus will not lose out.

 

well recognised Volvo after sales service is excellent

 

the problem is that Volvo attracts only a small select group, those who can appreciate its build and safety

 

resale price is generally weak because the group of buyers for used ones is even smaller

 

in an unfortunate event of a major accident, this is one car most would have wished they were driving in 

 

[jjandyy]

That is very old skool notion....previously it was the common held belief because of the tough tank (looks like one even) like built of the old days volvos before the days of crumple zone and airbags.

 

these days with objective tests and standard such as EuroNCAP ratings..... any car that can achieve full stars and points are safe enough for me.

 

If you are talkiing about build quality, fit and finish, I dare say most premium german and even lexus will not lose out.

Indeed that is old notion and you need to get out out from that as well.

 

Safety today is more than tough build (physical) or airbags or crumple zone, passive safety aspects of the car. EuroNCAP is associated to those characteristics, nothing wrong.

 

What is differentiating is the long list of active safety features that Volvo build into their cars on top of their leading passive safety features, most of them are standard features. And the integration of these features into the whole product as a system, hardware and software.

 

Volvo has the vision that nobody should be killed or seriously injured in a new Volvo car by 2020. Three years from now. No other car manufacturers has vision like that. Of course not everyone appreciates this vision, which is fine, everyone look at things differently. Some people will think cars that has EuroNCAP 5-stars are good enough, and will not pay for the premium of Volvo. Which is OK.

 

By the way, driven a new Volvo, I believe their cars are really very near, if not ready, for autonomous driving, like Tesla. It is the legislations that are holding things up, IMHO.

[Vratenza]

EuroNCAP takes into account all passive and active features with special mention in the final report.

 

 

Safety Assist

The Safety Assist score is determined from tests to the most important driver assist technologies that support safe driving to avoid accidents and mitigate injuries. In these tests, Euro NCAP tests system functionality and/or performance during normal driving and in typical accident scenarios.

 

To learn more about the tests included in the Safety Assist area, please click on the following illustrations.

 

https://www.euroncap.com/en/vehicle-safety/the-ratings-explained/safety-assist/

 

And the way you mention about Volvo's long list of active safety features, making it seem like no other car makers are developing active safety system at all....

 

I am glad Volvo has the vision.....Let's hope they achieve it..just like Singapore...." We have a vision for tomorrow....we can achieve..we can achieve...you and me..will do our part....stand together..."

 

Don't need to wait for 2020, if it really comes down to irrefutable track record that Volvo cars are indeed safer than any other cars on the market, I am ready to trade in both my cars to change to 2 volvos.

 

Until then, the premium paid is going more to Wearne than to Volvo (OMV is an extrapolation of how much Wearnes paid to Volvo to bring in the car)

 

 

Indeed that is old notion and you need to get out out from that as well.

Safety today is more than tough build (physical) or airbags or crumple zone, passive safety aspects of the car. EuroNCAP is associated to those characteristics, nothing wrong.

What is differentiating is the long list of active safety features that Volvo build into their cars on top of their leading passive safety features, most of them are standard features. And the integration of these features into the whole product as a system, hardware and software.

Volvo has the vision that nobody should be killed or seriously injured in a new Volvo car by 2020. Three years from now. No other car manufacturers has vision like that. Of course not everyone appreciates this vision, which is fine, everyone look at things differently. Some people will think cars that has EuroNCAP 5-stars are good enough, and will not pay for the premium of Volvo. Which is OK.

By the way, driven a new Volvo, I believe their cars are really very near, if not ready, for autonomous driving, like Tesla. It is the legislations that are holding things up, IMHO.

 

[t0y0ta]

Obviously Volvo marketing team should take a thumbs up here. Their marketing on unique safety first vision has managed to get some religious followers.

 

To say Volvo does not compete against anyone is obviously a bit far-fetched... everyone are building handsome, safe, comfortable vehicles and individual brands need consumers to appreciate it over another competitors in order to survive as a company.

 

 

[jjandyy]

EuroNCAP takes into account all passive and active features with special mention in the final report.

 

 

And the way you mention about Volvo's long list of active safety features, making it seem like no other car makers are developing active safety system at all....

 

I am glad Volvo has the vision.....Let's hope they achieve it..just like Singapore...." We have a vision for tomorrow....we can achieve..we can achieve...you and me..will do our part....stand together..."

 

Don't need to wait for 2020, if it really comes down to irrefutable track record that Volvo cars are indeed safer than any other cars on the market, I am ready to trade in both my cars to change to 2 volvos.

 

Until then, the premium paid is going more to Wearne than to Volvo (OMV is an extrapolation of how much Wearnes paid to Volvo to bring in the car)

 

OK I missed the safety assist element on the EuroNCAP as one of the 4 elements of the ratings.

 

I am not implying that other car makers are not developing these safety systems at all. In fact, some of the systems can even be bought 'of-the-shelf' from third party suppliers like Continental, Delphi, Bosch, Keihin etc, by any car manufacturers.

 

But obviously every car makers are doing safety with different approach, level and focus. Volvo probably has features that others did not build in, for example, pedestrian airbag. For me to believe that I am as safe in my other EuroNCAP 5-star Korean car as compared to the Volvo is just too plain-thinking. But again, this is really subjective by individuals, you are what you want to believe, same as me.

 

 

Anyway, this reminds me of a nice fishball noodle stall near my home. A bit more like Cantonese style, not the usual Teochew style also sold in the same hawker centre. The owner (a nice couple) sells the bowl for $4 each, while the other stalls sell at $3.50. I would reckon they have their own fair share of supporters. The fishballs has good texture and taste, will suit tastebuds of people who like HK-style fishball noodle.

 

One of my neighbour (who sometimes go to eat the noodle too) actually asked the couple why their fishball noodle is more expensive. He reasoned that he think the fishballs and noodle probably cost the same as the other stalls, also probably filled his tummy to the same level too, and he cannot find a reason why he should pay 50cents more at this stall (although I think he can probably afford the 50cents la, guessing only). He said that they are making more profit than they should, compared to other fishball noodle sellers. He asked them to justify to him, or else he will stop his wife, mother, mother-in-law, cousins, third aunt, sixth grand-aunt, father-in-law, maid, children, dogs, cats, etc from patronizing the stall, or worse, go to patronize the other fishball noodle stalls.

 

The stall owners look at him, puzzled, and then replied in Cantonese, 'choi nei dou soh'.

 

That happened 2 years ago, and last week I went to eat at the stall as usual, the owners are still happily serve their Cantonese fishball noodle at the same price, which I find taste even better, and obviously their customers still come to patronize them judging by the empty, soiled bowls waiting to be washed.....

 

They told me that they might have to increase price next year because stall rental will increase due to stricter 'emission' regulations. Maybe the steam from the boiling soup....

 

Not sure if my neighbour still go to eat there or not...... 

[Mkl22]

That is very old skool notion....previously it was the common held belief because of the tough tank (looks like one even) like built of the old days volvos before the days of crumple zone and airbags.

 

these days with objective tests and standard such as EuroNCAP ratings..... any car that can achieve full stars and points are safe enough for me.

 

If you are talkiing about build quality, fit and finish, I dare say most premium german and even lexus will not lose out.

Yup, you got that right

[Drainwater]

Am I the only one who feels the wowo showroom actually feels worse after the reno?

It tried very hard to look cool Scandinavian icy atmosphere but from the outside, it gives the impression that it is a aloof brand.

[Kangz]

Crash tests like NCAP do give consumers a good indication of a vehicle's crash worthiness, but at the end of the day it is exactly that - an indication and nothing more. Such tests are like exams which every examinee knows the answers to. In our PSLE, there needs to be a curveball question to differentiate the excellent students from the good ones. In this day and age where seemingly every single vehicle gets 5 star, things got a lot more exciting when IIHS threw out a curveball in the form of the 'small overlap crash test''. I won't bore you guys with the details but do check out this link if you're keen - http://fourtitude.com/news/Audi_News_1/perspective-on-audi-a4-performance-in-new-iihs-small-overlap-crash-test/

I used to think Mercedes Benz is another brand that takes safety seriously but after reading their reaction to the poor performance of the W204, I was wrong. Any car manufacturer worth its salt can build a car that scores 5 stars in the NCAP, but it is apparent that not all 5* are equal. Some cars are engineered to pass crash tests, some are engineered to save lives when the crap hits the fan. So is it just marketing talk when safety of Volvo vehicles is concerned? I think the facts speak for themselves.

 

Anyway, does anyone know the indicative pricing of the New XC60 and which variants are Wearnes bringing in?

[jjandyy]

Crash tests like NCAP do give consumers a good indication of a vehicle's crash worthiness, but at the end of the day it is exactly that - an indication and nothing more. Such tests are like exams which every examinee knows the answers to. In our PSLE, there needs to be a curveball question to differentiate the excellent students from the good ones. In this day and age where seemingly every single vehicle gets 5 star, things got a lot more exciting when IIHS threw out a curveball in the form of the 'small overlap crash test''. I won't bore you guys with the details but do check out this link if you're keen - http://fourtitude.com/news/Audi_News_1/perspective-on-audi-a4-performance-in-new-iihs-small-overlap-crash-test/

I used to think Mercedes Benz is another brand that takes safety seriously but after reading their reaction to the poor performance of the W204, I was wrong. Any car manufacturer worth its salt can build a car that scores 5 stars in the NCAP, but it is apparent that not all 5* are equal. Some cars are engineered to pass crash tests, some are engineered to save lives when the crap hits the fan. So is it just marketing talk when safety of Volvo vehicles is concerned? I think the facts speak for themselves.

 

Anyway, does anyone know the indicative pricing of the New XC60 and which variants are Wearnes bringing in?

Bingo! On everything you wrote.

 

The pre-launch price was $185K without COE. That was in July, for the first 20units. SE told me sold out already few week ago for the launch unit....

[Kangz]

Bingo! On everything you wrote.

 

The pre-launch price was $185K without COE. That was in July, for the first 20units. SE told me sold out already few week ago for the launch unit....

If the OMV is $40k+ and comes reasonably equipped, it'll give the Q5 a run for its money. Is that the T5 variant? Edited August 19, 2017 by Kangz

[flashbang]

That is very old skool notion....previously it was the common held belief because of the tough tank (looks like one even) like built of the old days volvos before the days of crumple zone and airbags.

 

these days with objective tests and standard such as EuroNCAP ratings..... any car that can achieve full stars and points are safe enough for me.

 

If you are talkiing about build quality, fit and finish, I dare say most premium german and even lexus will not lose out.

 

Like exam grades, 5 stars dont mean anything.

 

Someone score 100/100 and someone score 85/100, both also get A, but the one who scored 100 is the better one. Same goes for Euro NCAP ratings, they only rate from 1 to 5 stars, it's easy for many people to get 5 stars, but it doesn't mean all cars inside the 5 star category are equal. One car might meet all minimum standards and achieve 5 stars, another might greatly exceed all standards and get awarded the same 5 stars.

[Vratenza]

OK I missed the safety assist element on the EuroNCAP as one of the 4 elements of the ratings.

 

I am not implying that other car makers are not developing these safety systems at all. In fact, some of the systems can even be bought 'of-the-shelf' from third party suppliers like Continental, Delphi, Bosch, Keihin etc, by any car manufacturers.

 

But obviously every car makers are doing safety with different approach, level and focus. Volvo probably has features that others did not build in, for example, pedestrian airbag. For me to believe that I am as safe in my other EuroNCAP 5-star Korean car as compared to the Volvo is just too plain-thinking. But again, this is really subjective by individuals, you are what you want to believe, same as me.

 

 

Anyway, this reminds me of a nice fishball noodle stall near my home. A bit more like Cantonese style, not the usual Teochew style also sold in the same hawker centre. The owner (a nice couple) sells the bowl for $4 each, while the other stalls sell at $3.50. I would reckon they have their own fair share of supporters. The fishballs has good texture and taste, will suit tastebuds of people who like HK-style fishball noodle.

 

One of my neighbour (who sometimes go to eat the noodle too) actually asked the couple why their fishball noodle is more expensive. He reasoned that he think the fishballs and noodle probably cost the same as the other stalls, also probably filled his tummy to the same level too, and he cannot find a reason why he should pay 50cents more at this stall (although I think he can probably afford the 50cents la, guessing only). He said that they are making more profit than they should, compared to other fishball noodle sellers. He asked them to justify to him, or else he will stop his wife, mother, mother-in-law, cousins, third aunt, sixth grand-aunt, father-in-law, maid, children, dogs, cats, etc from patronizing the stall, or worse, go to patronize the other fishball noodle stalls.

 

The stall owners look at him, puzzled, and then replied in Cantonese, 'choi nei dou soh'.

 

That happened 2 years ago, and last week I went to eat at the stall as usual, the owners are still happily serve their Cantonese fishball noodle at the same price, which I find taste even better, and obviously their customers still come to patronize them judging by the empty, soiled bowls waiting to be washed.....

 

They told me that they might have to increase price next year because stall rental will increase due to stricter 'emission' regulations. Maybe the steam from the boiling soup....

 

Not sure if my neighbour still go to eat there or not......

You lost me at the fishball noodle....do we really need to go out of context for something as simple as objective safety and car worth?

 

I wish i am rich enough to treat my car purchase as simple as buying a bowl of fishball noodle. If not nice or get food poisoning, at most pay medical fee, boycott the stall and never eat from there ever again.

 

Let's make it clear here, I have nothing against Volvo and it's innovation, safety or design.

 

It is the one selling the brand in Singapore I have issue with.

 

I think I got my point across.

[Wolfverine]

Just sharing based on personal experience having driven and enjoyed the technologies and safety features on a Volvo as well as a BMW:

 

1) both Sensus Connect and the latest iDrive have good features and apps that are downloadable. Desktop allows customization for both. Unfortunately, the apps on the Sensus (e.g. Spotify) are quite unstable and hangs quite frequently during the past 1 year of usage. In addition, I really like the features of the ConnectDrive (e.g. RTTI, remote functions, etc). The RTTI function is there on Sensus but not sure why this feature is not enabled here in Singapore.

 

2) Both have driving and parking assistance technologies such as Pilot Assist II, Lane Keep Assist, Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC), self parking, etc (termed differently for Volvo vs BMW). Both works pretty well for the 2 makes although I must say the ACC works better on the BMW in that the autonomous steering is more precise comparing the same stretch of roads that I travel on. Unfortunately, such features are not standard items on the BMW unless it is a higher end model within the range while it comes standard even on the base model XC90.

 

 

Looking at how XC90, Q7 & X5 was priced back then, the entry model XC60 should be similarly priced?

[Vratenza]

I am guessing you and many who claims that there are no way to differentiate a korean 5 star and conti 5 star ...  have not seen a full report for EuroNCAP report for a car....... Let me help you here

 

Don't have the latest XC60 report.... This is the last gen's

https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/volvo/xc60/11074

 

For comparison.... 

http://tps://www.euroncap.com/en/results/mercedes-benz/glc/21987

 

Am sure the new updated XC60 will do much better (still 5 star)..... Unless someone tells me EuroNCAP is bulls**t and must rely on marketing mumbo jumbo for objective measure of safety.... 

 

Easily accessible information for people interested enough and bothered enough to look beyond the stars rating. 

 

I rest my case. 

 

Like exam grades, 5 stars dont mean anything.

 

Someone score 100/100 and someone score 85/100, both also get A, but the one who scored 100 is the better one. Same goes for Euro NCAP ratings, they only rate from 1 to 5 stars, it's easy for many people to get 5 stars, but it doesn't mean all cars inside the 5 star category are equal. One car might meet all minimum standards and achieve 5 stars, another might greatly exceed all standards and get awarded the same 5 stars.

 

Edited August 19, 2017 by Vratenza

[jjandyy]

You lost me at the fishball noodle....do we really need to go out of context for something as simple as objective safety and car worth?

 

I wish i am rich enough to treat my car purchase as simple as buying a bowl of fishball noodle. If not nice or get food poisoning, at most pay medical fee, boycott the stall and never eat from there ever again.

 

Let's make it clear here, I have nothing against Volvo and it's innovation, safety or design.

 

It is the one selling the brand in Singapore I have issue with.

 

I think I got my point across.

Obviously buying a car and fishball noodle are the same from objectivity (or rather subjectivity) point of view. No one car or brand are the same in terms of value, just like not all fishball noodle stalls are the same. That's why people have different preference on fishball noodles. It is partly subjective to tastebuds.

 

Trying to force car decision to full objectivity based on car worth or technicalities will only make some people end up with buying cars they don't truly like....

 

Anyway, the guy selling still think none of his business if anyone have issue with him asking for more money for his product, that he probably bought from factory and resell with added values....

[Vratenza]

S90/v90 omv already. 40k......you think XC60 will be same, more or less? 

 

If the OMV is $40k+ and comes reasonably equipped, it'll give the Q5 a run for its money. Is that the T5 variant?

 

[Kangz]

S90/v90 omv already. 40k......you think XC60 will be same, more or less?

Haha bro I can only hope. There is a possibility since the xc90's OMV starts at $50+k.

[camrysfe]

S90/v90 omv already. 40k......you think XC60 will be same, more or less?

The GLC omv is lower than e class so I guess lower. But I may be wrong