New Tucson turbocharged 1.6-litre in SG 4Q of 2016

[teomingern]

It's the low end torque in turbo engines that is helpful .

 

VW Jetta 1.4 is only 120 bhp. But the 200nm of torque kicks in from a low 1500rpm, giving it a superb pick up

[Wattokkingu]

Hyundai should have stuck to a conventional auto for the Tucson 1.6T

http://m.carcomplaints.com/Hyundai/Tucson/2016/

Edited September 12, 2016 by Wattokkingu

[Fuelsaver]

Direct to top trans issue -

 

http://m.carcomplaints.com/Hyundai/Tucson/2016/transmission/no_acceleration_from_stop.shtml

[Fuelsaver]

If you understand how CVT work, you will know how it drive (I ever dealt with machines running on CVT and realized instantly how the "rubberband" feel come about). Just like traveling on land, water and in the air kind of different, if I were to exaggerate it.

 

As to DCT, DSG, dual clutch gearbox, VW first created the negative awareness with it 7 speed dry clutch DSG, and the rest of the compliant (from Honda, Ford, etc.) follow suit. Side track a little, every now and then, we read news in the paper that foreign bride runaway from marriage, cheat on Singaporean hubby, swindle off hard earned money, etc. etc. and thus it left an impression with reader that foreign bride are bad. Anyone ever wonder how many % of foreign bride actually behave in this way?? When did you read in the paper on how good are foreign bride?

 

My point is, it is the impression that counts, and that negative news would draw much more attention (and cast a deeper impression) than good news. A simple test here:

Q1 Can you name one of the engine that VW won the best engine award?

Q2 Can you tell me what are the problems associated with VW car model?

 

I can safely assumed that little will be able to answer Q1, but DSG issue, Diesel gate will immediately pop up for Q2. I am not defending dual clutch gearbox, but we need to give it sometime for technology to mature and minor glitches to be ironed out. Just like when Honda & Mitsubishi introduce CVT on Civc & Lancer, everyone said that CVT cannot make it, and yet today (>15 years later), many are singing praise about it.

 

OK, back to the topic (before TS report me for talking nonsense hehe...), TC is the way to go, like it or not. power output figure is just a number, it is the implementation and refinement that count. I do have high hope of Korean TC engine, since it is has been available for a while (but sadly not in Singapore), and there are little -ve feedback. If proven reliable, we will then see 2.0T Santa Fe / Sorento, Sonata / I45, etc. which I really look forward to.

Cvt is much simpler n so much less infamous issues although still I have negative feedback fr frens on old jazz n up to airwave.

 

Maybe someone or some dct dsg forum group can start a thread on reliable dsg or dct. This I think b convincing.

 

Also nvr hear anything about 4at these few yrs. Fluid coupling is more reliable I suppose though less efficient.

[inlinesix]

Cvt is much simpler n so much less infamous issues although still I have negative feedback fr frens on old jazz n up to airwave.

 

Maybe someone or some dct dsg forum group can start a thread on reliable dsg or dct. This I think b convincing.

 

Also nvr hear anything about 4at these few yrs. Fluid coupling is more reliable I suppose though less efficient.

 

CVT is only for low torque application.

 

To me, it is not suitable for turbo cars.  The best is still torque converter AT.

 

[Little_prince]

usually first batch they will throw in all the bells and whistles.

 

i'm guessing that they price it like that to complete with the FXT

 

wow.. if price stated is accurate, it is even slightly cheaper than the sunroof version.

 

Wonder how's the equipment list..

 

[Fuelsaver]

CVT is only for low torque application.

 

To me, it is not suitable for turbo cars.  The best is still torque converter AT.

 

sadly, the trend seemed to bias toward cvt and / or dct, even manual getting rare / expensive. 

[teomingern]

The movement towards either CVT or DCT is driven by the need to meet new emission standards that are getting more and more difficult to meet. The improvements in the Atkinson internal combustion engines are minimal at best, and therefore car manufacturers are trying to pick gains from everywhere else and transmission efficiencies are what they are looking to.

 

DCT is good... needs time to mature and become more reliable. It will improve in time. For torque converter automatic transmissions, the early models were also not reliable. And there was a need to service the auto gearboxes more regular than now and if the schedule is not followed, the gearboxes will surely breakdown. So auto gearboxes also took two decades to reach the almost bulletproof reliability that we are expect today. So give DCT some time to mature... by then it is the most effective gearbox, suitable for high torque engines, efficient and low maintenance.

Edited September 14, 2016 by teomingern

[Whitewolf88]

It didn't come with the sunroof and conventional handbrakes.. That's what I observed last week when it was parked there. Too bad can't test drive that day.

[teomingern]

It didn't come with the sunroof and conventional handbrakes.. That's what I observed last week when it was parked there. Too bad can't test drive that day.

Probably a foot parking brake.

[Pocus]

CVT is only for low torque application.

 

To me, it is not suitable for turbo cars.  The best is still torque converter AT.

 

 

To be fair, not all CVT are created equal and car manufacturers are toughen CVT for their more sporty oriented cars.

 

I dunno the CVT of Jazz or Fit cos I don't drive one often, but if you:

 

Eg. Drive a Mitshubishi Colt/Colt Plus 1.5 CVT versus drive a Colt Version R CVT, you will feel the difference. The CVT of the Colt R has no significant rubberband effect, but I won't say totally no effect. But it's more inherent in the normal Colts. The Colt R's CVT are chain driven to handle higher torque so that could be different. But if you WOT both mans, still get that boring max rev pull.

 

If you drove the 2016 Forester XT, totally different. The rubberband effect is non-existence and you feel the torque pull quite obvious. Forester's CVT are chain driven too.

 

The new Swift Sport CVT is also like the Forester, no rubberband effect and decent torque pull. Not sure if it's chain or rubber driven. But I do admit the Manual Swift Sport is much perky.

Probably a foot parking brake.

 

Now still got cars use foot parking brake meh? That was the trend of last decade models..

Now it's probably electronic parking brake. one button only.

Edited September 15, 2016 by Pocus

[Fuelsaver]

The movement towards either CVT or DCT is driven by the need to meet new emission standards that are getting more and more difficult to meet. The improvements in the Atkinson internal combustion engines are minimal at best, and therefore car manufacturers are trying to pick gains from everywhere else and transmission efficiencies are what they are looking to.

 

DCT is good... needs time to mature and become more reliable. It will improve in time. For torque converter automatic transmissions, the early models were also not reliable. And there was a need to service the auto gearboxes more regular than now and if the schedule is not followed, the gearboxes will surely breakdown. So auto gearboxes also took two decades to reach the almost bulletproof reliability that we are expect today. So give DCT some time to mature... by then it is the most effective gearbox, suitable for high torque engines, efficient and low maintenance.

Even religiously follow service schedule doesnt guarantee no hardware / software failure.. Seemed in some cases early replacement of such gb / tcu / clutch kinda inevitable.. We can no longer expect just replacement of atf for 200 over k km. I dont like to cough out such expenses. It's almost as good as telling me engine / engine parts must replace; simply replacing lubricant is inadequate.

[Whitewolf88]

To be fair, not all CVT are created equal and car manufacturers are toughen CVT for their more sporty oriented cars.

 

I dunno the CVT of Jazz or Fit cos I don't drive one often, but if you:

 

Eg. Drive a Mitshubishi Colt/Colt Plus 1.5 CVT versus drive a Colt Version R CVT, you will feel the difference. The CVT of the Colt R has no significant rubberband effect, but I won't say totally no effect. But it's more inherent in the normal Colts. The Colt R's CVT are chain driven to handle higher torque so that could be different. But if you WOT both mans, still get that boring max rev pull.

 

If you drove the 2016 Forester XT, totally different. The rubberband effect is non-existence and you feel the torque pull quite obvious. Forester's CVT are chain driven too.

 

The new Swift Sport CVT is also like the Forester, no rubberband effect and decent torque pull. Not sure if it's chain or rubber driven. But I do admit the Manual Swift Sport is much perky.

 

 

Now still got cars use foot parking brake meh? That was the trend of last decade models..

Now it's probably electronic parking brake. one button only.

Tuscon standard comes with handbrake... No Budget for higher tier.

[Pocus]

Tuscon standard comes with handbrake... No Budget for higher tier.

Edited September 15, 2016 by Pocus

[Sdf4786k]

Hyundai's DCT not a lot of problem reports. Just keep in mind the usual methods of preservation.

 

Hyundai is following the Germans, their 1.6 turbo is designed to provide higher power with efficiency of a smaller engine, rather than all out performance like the Forester XT. But this is still the Gamma engine, which I believe is their latest one yet. The 2.0L we are using might be the older, less efficient, Theta II.

 

As always I'm curious to see the equipment level on this turbocharged variant.

 

I believe the DCT behaviour is the same as Merc .. slow to react in gear shift.. but then u driving a SUV not AMG so should be fine..

would this engine flow down to KIA ?

 

Prefer the KIA sportage design

Edited September 16, 2016 by Sdf4786k

[Whitewolf88]

but you said no handbrakes.

so have or don't have?

 

nevermind, confirm, electronic parking brake. Button/switch type.

The turbo comes with handbrakes and no sun roof..

[teomingern]

To be fair, not all CVT are created equal and car manufacturers are toughen CVT for their more sporty oriented cars.

 

I dunno the CVT of Jazz or Fit cos I don't drive one often, but if you:

 

Eg. Drive a Mitshubishi Colt/Colt Plus 1.5 CVT versus drive a Colt Version R CVT, you will feel the difference. The CVT of the Colt R has no significant rubberband effect, but I won't say totally no effect. But it's more inherent in the normal Colts. The Colt R's CVT are chain driven to handle higher torque so that could be different. But if you WOT both mans, still get that boring max rev pull.

 

If you drove the 2016 Forester XT, totally different. The rubberband effect is non-existence and you feel the torque pull quite obvious. Forester's CVT are chain driven too.

 

The new Swift Sport CVT is also like the Forester, no rubberband effect and decent torque pull. Not sure if it's chain or rubber driven. But I do admit the Manual Swift Sport is much perky.

 

 

Now still got cars use foot parking brake meh? That was the trend of last decade models..

Now it's probably electronic parking brake. one button only.

My Sonata still uses a foot brake. I was surprised too... it's probably a cheap alternative to the electronic parking brake and still allows more space in the centre console.

but you said no handbrakes.

so have or don't have?

 

nevermind, confirm, electronic parking brake. Button/switch type.

Nice... this was what I wanted in my Sonata. But alas not possible... not even offered...

[Pocus]

The turbo comes with handbrakes and no sun roof.. ð

Handbrakes and no sunroof are usually the traits of a performance ride.

 

One example is the new civic type R. They also remove sunroof and add conventional handbrake.

 

Forester also, the Ts 300bhp version also remove sunroof.