Resigning and using leave to offset notice period

[Weez911]

Not sure if anyone mentioned this already, but TS's new employer may call up his ex-manager for reference check after TS joins the new company. As TS will still be on probation during this time, it will be very easy for the new company to terminate TS's employment if they know something is quite wrong with TS's performance in his old company. Basically, the ex-manager can say anything he wants (true or fake) if he really dislikes TS. The only recourse for TS if that happens will be legal pursuits, but that will be costly.

 

Just be careful with this in mind.

Edited July 25, 2016 by Weez911

[Blacksnow]

Can I hijack this thread for a short while?

35 yr old male

Need some comments...

 

Current company (MNC)

- low pay (not saving much, very thrifty already)

- work load is low

- boss is very good to me (work for 10 years already)

- company future not bright (Singapore office losing money)

 

Potentially new company (MNC)

- higher pay (20%)

- work load sure higher

- boss unknown (but is from India)

- company future ok

 

How would you decide?

Edited July 25, 2016 by Blacksnow

[13177]

Dear forumers,

 

I am planning to resign from my current company soon.

 

I intend to offset my earned leave (30 days) to offset against my notice period of one month.

 

This is allowed under MOM's rules; however, I don't get paid for my leave, and I can immediately start work with my new employer on the next day.

 

I have sought advice from many friends; some say serve your notice, some say use your leave to offset.

 

I have a very tense relationship with my manager and I don't wish to serve the notice period; indirectly, by using my leave to offset, I am working for the company for free for one month, by not cashing in my leave if I serve the notice period.

 

What would you do?

 

Thanks.

Dont understand how come you said you dont get paid for your leave? 

[Doppel]

Dont understand how come you said you dont get paid for your leave? 

Because I plan to use my leave to offset against the notice period.

 

It is not the same as taking leave during your notice period.

 

Please refer to MOM's webpage, under "using annual leave to offset notice":

 

http://www.mom.gov.sg/employment-practices/termination-of-employment/termination-with-notice

[SuPerBoRed]

Can I hijack this thread for a short while?

35 yr old male

Need some comments...

 

Current company (MNC)

- low pay (not saving much, very thrifty already)

- work load is low

- boss is very good to me (work for 10 years already)

- company future not bright (Singapore office losing money)

 

Potentially new company (MNC)

- higher pay (20%)

- work load sure higher

- boss unknown (but is from India)

- company future ok

 

How would you decide?

 

you are 35 now .. you dont go now.. you will never leave... 

 

your eg is a no brainer.. skewered to make ppl say wat you wanna do! 

Because I plan to use my leave to offset against the notice period.

 

It is not the same as taking leave during your notice period.

 

Please refer to MOM's webpage, under "using annual leave to offset notice":

 

http://www.mom.gov.sg/employment-practices/termination-of-employment/termination-with-notice

 

if you ever need to throw a MOM law/''guildline'' at your employers.. you are already burning all your bridges.. juz be mentally prepared to a reasonable compromise... 

[Sosaria]

Can I hijack this thread for a short while?

35 yr old male

Need some comments...

 

Current company (MNC)

- low pay (not saving much, very thrifty already)

- work load is low

- boss is very good to me (work for 10 years already)

- company future not bright (Singapore office losing money)

 

Potentially new company (MNC)

- higher pay (20%)

- work load sure higher

- boss unknown (but is from India)

- company future ok

 

How would you decide?

 

If you stay in your current company, with lower work load, a good boss, but lower pay ... you should take the opportunity to establish a "2nd line" of income stream using your available free time. This could be in the form of part-time teaching, giving tuition, online small business, or any other freelance work in your line of skills. You build your reputation in this "2nd line", as insurance against your employer tanking, and also bump up your income higher.

 

Much also depends on your personal situation, e.g. if you are single or without kids, then you are free to take a bigger gamble by moving to the new company, increasing your pay, burnishing your CV, and having available time to devote to your new job. If the boss happens to be unreasonable, also can just quit without too much consideration.

 

But if you do have family commitments, then do spend some time considering. At 35, unless you are in higher management, or sales/marketing position, you don't have much time before your options to move become very limited.

 

 

[13177]

Because I plan to use my leave to offset against the notice period.

 

It is not the same as taking leave during your notice period.

 

Please refer to MOM's webpage, under "using annual leave to offset notice":

 

http://www.mom.gov.sg/employment-practices/termination-of-employment/termination-with-notice

I get what you mean. So your employer told you that you cannot offset your notice period by using your leave?

[Myxilplix]

I think the basic fact is to exit as responsibly as possible.

 

At the end of the day, if you know you did a half-fark exit then it's you who might have problems sleeping at night because there is always that nagging voice in the back of your head. This type of thing also can have regrets one.

 

I'm also planning to leave my current job but have given myself a minimum 6-9 month timeline to exit because of complications.

[Jman888]

I think the basic fact is to exit as responsibly as possible.

 

At the end of the day, if you know you did a half-fark exit then it's you who might have problems sleeping at night because there is always that nagging voice in the back of your head. This type of thing also can have regrets one.

 

I'm also planning to leave my current job but have given myself a minimum 6-9 month timeline to exit because of complications.

 

 

you must be a Very Important employee    

[Ngseeming]

Unless it's stated in Your Letter of Appointment that Notice Period can be offset or in lieu of by annual leave or cash consideration, then the HR would have final say whether or not to let you offset.

 

On the other hand, they would have lesser or no ground not to approve your leave during your notice period.

 

You still get paid, just that you cannot start the new work immediately.

[Enye]

you must be a Very Important employee    

 

i know one listed company MD also took up to 1 year to exit

 

after that then join the competitive company his other partners setup 1 year ago 

 

  

[Donut]

Because I plan to use my leave to offset against the notice period.

 

It is not the same as taking leave during your notice period.

 

Please refer to MOM's webpage, under "using annual leave to offset notice":

 

http://www.mom.gov.sg/employment-practices/termination-of-employment/termination-with-notice

 

yeah, but bear in mind that its not a entitlement or a right. It is only a practice in the workforce. Not a mandatory law.

 

Its still up to HR and your boss to decide on it. They can come up with "valid sounding" reasons not to approve it. 

 

That's why we have been saying to you, not to burn bridges and be nice cordial. At this stage, you need them more (for approval to offset leave) than they need you.  

 

Aiya, come on.  don't you need the money from encashing your leave?  you can just submit resignation letter, serve one month notice, and just lie low during the notice period.  Whatever the boss tell you, u just simply nod yr head, wayang abit, give the minimum info to whatever your boss is asking you to do.  a month will pass by very fast one. 

 

and its actually not one full month hor.  its only 22 working days. if got public holiday, its even lesser.  time will fly.  And if you want to chao geng, take MC here and there. for few days.  effectively, your working days could be 10+ only.

 

you got kids?  got childcare leave?  

 

There are many ways to skin a cat.  

[Jman888]

i know one listed company MD also took up to 1 year to exit

 

after that then join the competitive company his other partners setup 1 year ago 

 

  

 

 

this type quite common.

 

i only need 3 days to leave cos nothing to handover   

[Myxilplix]

you must be a Very Important employee    

 

It's complicated lah. Alot of expectations to manage.

[Enye]

this type quite common.

 

i only need 3 days to leave cos nothing to handover   

 

my desk very little personal stuff

 

anytime ready for my boss to tell me go off site lim kopi at 8am while office admin cancel my access card and pack up my stuff in a box 

 

[Doppel]

I get what you mean. So your employer told you that you cannot offset your notice period by using your leave?

It's my decision, and they can't say no.

[inlinesix]

yeah, but bear in mind that its not a entitlement or a right. It is only a practice in the workforce. Not a mandatory law.

 

Its still up to HR and your boss to decide on it. They can come up with "valid sounding" reasons not to approve it. 

 

That's why we have been saying to you, not to burn bridges and be nice cordial. At this stage, you need them more (for approval to offset leave) than they need you.  

 

Aiya, come on.  don't you need the money from encashing your leave?  you can just submit resignation letter, serve one month notice, and just lie low during the notice period.  Whatever the boss tell you, u just simply nod yr head, wayang abit, give the minimum info to whatever your boss is asking you to do.  a month will pass by very fast one. 

 

and its actually not one full month hor.  its only 22 working days. if got public holiday, its even lesser.  time will fly.  And if you want to chao geng, take MC here and there. for few days.  effectively, your working days could be 10+ only.

 

you got kids?  got childcare leave?  

 

There are many ways to skin a cat.  

 

Since he said it is a strain relationship, all the more he should not even go on any leave.  Words from his direct manager can be twisted against him in his future roles.

 

As i told him in previous thread, his direct manager can always says that he "fired" him if he leaves without serving notice at all.

 

 

[13177]

It's my decision, and they can't say no.

I think it is still up to the individual company policy on such matters. Act is just an act and not a mandatory law. Think company can still have the final decision. But i think you should serve your 1 month notice, but take leave and MC to shorten your stay in office and not your notice period, and still have sufficient leave to encash.

Since he said it is a strain relationship, all the more he should not even go on any leave.  Words from his direct manager can be twisted against him in his future roles.

 

As i told him in previous thread, his direct manager can always says that he "fired" him if he leaves without serving notice at all.

Although it is the final say on the manager to approve leave during the notice period, as manager can reject your leave application. Seems like strain relationship really a no no esp when comes to resignation.