Resigning and using leave to offset notice period

[inlinesix]

Why talk about MOM and employment act etc.? TS say he is manager level, so i don't think MOM rules protect professionals.

 

Well, TS, from the way your boss treat you, it seems he has no worry about your position being empty. Strange because wouldn't he have to bear the problems due to your post being empty ( and issues unsolved)?

 

I will definitely want to keep my subordinates happy and working for me because i am answerable to higher ups for problems that may arise if not enough manpower.

 

Since 6 mths has passed, TS has underperformed.  TS will be blamed for underperformance in 2016.  He might even say that TS is not manageable that's why he was advised to leave immediately.

 

For 2017, the boss might low ball a low target to achieve.

[Blacksnow]

Yes, my business unit's performance has been horrendous for the past few months.

 

But have worked here for many years, the business is cyclical in nature: in good times, I have made twice the budgeted target, and in bad times like now, I am looking like probably 20% of target for the entire year.

 

I understand that we all have to achieve business targets, but what I don't agree is the open humiliation and ragging of the staff.

 

So basically, I don't want to work for this manager anymore.

 

I think my company is a good one, otherwise I wouldn't have worked here for so many years.

 

Just that I can't get along with this manager and I have to go.

Not being racist

But is your boss Indian from India?

I hear they are extremely hard to work with.

Edited July 24, 2016 by Blacksnow

[Angcheek]

Since 6 mths has passed, TS has underperformed.  TS will be blamed for underperformance in 2016.  He might even say that TS is not manageable that's why he was advised to leave immediately.

 

For 2017, the boss might low ball a low target to achieve.

 

hahaha classic moves from high management ...  Since they cannot positively improve the results,

the next best is to minimise their risk and cover backside

[Tigershark1976]

Dear forumers,

 

I am planning to resign from my current company soon.

 

I intend to offset my earned leave (30 days) to offset against my notice period of one month.

 

This is allowed under MOM's rules; however, I don't get paid for my leave, and I can immediately start work with my new employer on the next day.

 

I have sought advice from many friends; some say serve your notice, some say use your leave to offset.

 

I have a very tense relationship with my manager and I don't wish to serve the notice period; indirectly, by using my leave to offset, I am working for the company for free for one month, by not cashing in my leave if I serve the notice period.

 

What would you do?

 

Thanks.

 

Actually, you didnt work for free if you offset your leave. You are still getting paid for the one month notice right? Its just that you are on leave during that 1 month notice period.

 

BTW, you dont need to offset the whole 30 days of your earned leave. If you are working 5 days workweek. You need around 22 days of leave to offset 1 month notice. The balance should be encashed to you. Which means, you will get your 1 month pay for the notice period plus balance of 8 days leaves, which is equal to another 1.5Weeks pay.

 

 

If you dont offset, company will still have to pay your 1 month salary during the 1 month notice period, plus 30 days leave worth of salary(which is approx 1mth + 1.5 weeks salary if you are on 5 days workweek)

 

 

[Sosaria]

Since 6 mths has passed, TS has underperformed. TS will be blamed for underperformance in 2016. He might even say that TS is not manageable that's why he was advised to leave immediately.

 

For 2017, the boss might low ball a low target to achieve.

Oh it's a sales kind of job. Can tide over and just give reason.

 

I was thinking operational kind of job... people leave, manager also have to solve the problem because demands continue at the same pace

 

Not being racist

But is your boss Indian from India?

I hear they are extremely hard to work with.

Hey, nothing can beat ah tiong boss ... ok?

 

http://business.asiaone.com/news/workers-forced-eat-bitter-gourd-after-not-meeting-sales-target

Edited July 24, 2016 by Sosaria

[Doppel]

Actually, you didnt work for free if you offset your leave. You are still getting paid for the one month notice right? Its just that you are on leave during that 1 month notice period.

 

BTW, you dont need to offset the whole 30 days of your earned leave. If you are working 5 days workweek. You need around 22 days of leave to offset 1 month notice. The balance should be encashed to you. Which means, you will get your 1 month pay for the notice period plus balance of 8 days leaves, which is equal to another 1.5Weeks pay.

 

 

If you dont offset, company will still have to pay your 1 month salary during the 1 month notice period, plus 30 days leave worth of salary(which is approx 1mth + 1.5 weeks salary if you are on 5 days workweek)

 

 

No I don't get paid.

 

Offsetting leave to offset against notice period is not the same as taking leave during notice period.

 

If I offset, I can start work with the next day once I leave my current company.

 

If I take leave, I am still an employee until the last year, cannot start work until the notice period is over.

 

Basically, I am using my leave to "buy out" my notice period, or 赎身。

[Kangadrool]

Don't need to be so rush de.

 

After submitting letter, sit back and see shows... See who blink the eyes first.

 

After 1 week, if still no news from HR, and still cannot tahan serving out, then approach HR to discuss.

 

 

Edited July 24, 2016 by Kangadrool

[Yeshe]

No I don't get paid.

 

Offsetting leave to offset against notice period is not the same as taking leave during notice period.

 

If I offset, I can start work with the next day once I leave my current company.

 

If I take leave, I am still an employee until the last year, cannot start work until the notice period is over.

 

Basically, I am using my leave to "buy out" my notice period, or 赎身。

 

No, u cannot.

 

even if u wanna offset your leave, you are still officially under the old company's employment until your last day when u complete the exit procedure.

 

dont try this, i dont think the new company will agree to this kinda stunt especially if you are in sales.

 

[Doppel]

No, u cannot.

 

even if u wanna offset your leave, you are still officially under the old company's employment until your last day when u complete the exit procedure.

 

dont try this, i dont think the new company will agree to this kinda stunt especially if you are in sales.

 

Not true: please read the MOM's rules.

 

http://www.mom.gov.sg/employment-practices/termination-of-employment/termination-with-notice

 

If I offset the notice period using my leave, I don't get paid and I can start work on the next day.

 

It is different from taking approved leave during the notice period.

[Yeshe]

Not true: please read the MOM's rules.

 

http://www.mom.gov.sg/employment-practices/termination-of-employment/termination-with-notice

 

If I offset the notice period using my leave, I don't get paid and I can start work on the next day.

 

It is different from taking approved leave during the notice period.

 

u think you are covered under MOM employment act ah?

 

basically, please look at the terms in your employment contract.

 

Suggestion as per other bro here, handle this professionally, u never know how it will come back and hunt u.

[Doppel]

u think you are covered under MOM employment act ah?

 

basically, please look at the terms in your employment contract.

 

Suggestion as per other bro here, handle this professionally, u never know how it will come back and hunt u.

Thanks, I have also checked my company's handbook, it is allowed.

[Throttle2]

It may be allowed but always subject to some approval.....

 

And its always about negotiation and good relations.

 

Anyway, all the best to your new endeavors.

[Throttle2]

Dear forumers,

 

I am planning to resign from my current company soon.

 

I intend to offset my earned leave (30 days) to offset against my notice period of one month.

 

This is allowed under MOM's rules; however, I don't get paid for my leave, and I can immediately start work with my new employer on the next day.

 

I have sought advice from many friends; some say serve your notice, some say use your leave to offset.

 

I have a very tense relationship with my manager and I don't wish to serve the notice period; indirectly, by using my leave to offset, I am working for the company for free for one month, by not cashing in my leave if I serve the notice period.

 

What would you do?

 

Thanks.

 

Dude, considering the tensed relationship, just go official on everything.

Its only a month, no point messing up.

 

For me, i serve the letter to mgr and HR and carry on my duties while requesting HR to process.

 

The notice period is as per what Yeshe highlighted.

Ie you remain an employee until your last day.

The firm can either assign you garden leave and encash your leave if they are steady.

Or it can offset your leave over the month, keeping you as employee until last day.

 

Whatever it is, its only a month so dont rush.

The other firm can definitely wait if they truly value you.

 

Good luck

[Doppel]

Thanks again for everyone's advice and comments.

 

The problem is not that the new employer is unwilling to wait for one month; in fact, they largely left it to me to decide the date which I will start work.

 

The problem is my manager: I suspect there would be a lot of accusations and recriminations during the notice period, and for my sanity, I wish to avoid it all.

[Kangadrool]

Sit back, relax and see shows first.

 

 

[Locknload]

Thanks again for everyone's advice and comments.

 

The problem is not that the new employer is unwilling to wait for one month; in fact, they largely left it to me to decide the date which I will start work.

 

The problem is my manager: I suspect there would be a lot of accusations and recriminations during the notice period, and for my sanity, I wish to avoid it all.

That's why you should split the scene, pronto. You are fortunate than many others as you've got a job waiting to decide start date. You hang around with this problematic mgr, you may do something unforeseen during your notice period and it'll be worse off, for everybody - even your loved ones.

 

Go for a break and discard this unpleasant baggage, come back refreshed and take on your new challenge with fervor - you'll impress your new employer and even yourself. Been there, done that. Cheers.

[inlinesix]

That's why you should split the scene, pronto. You are fortunate than many others as you've got a job waiting to decide start date. You hang around with this problematic mgr, you may do something unforeseen during your notice period and it'll be worse off, for everybody - even your loved ones.

 

Go for a break and discard this unpleasant baggage, come back refreshed and take on your new challenge with fervor - you'll impress your new employer and even yourself. Been there, done that. Cheers.

That's why it is important to be free financially. I resigned w/o a job in Dec last yr.

[inlinesix]

Thanks again for everyone's advice and comments.

 

The problem is not that the new employer is unwilling to wait for one month; in fact, they largely left it to me to decide the date which I will start work.

 

The problem is my manager: I suspect there would be a lot of accusations and recriminations during the notice period, and for my sanity, I wish to avoid it all.

HR will always ask your reporting manager whether to early release you or not. It is his discretion. Not yours.

 

As I said previously, if u going to meet someone else with similar character, what are going to do?

 

By leaving immediately, he can always says that he "fired" you. Think about that too.