Why was Uni. professor not charge for fraud?

[Vratenza]

They should have smell it coming the day they let him in.....

 Ready

 

 

 

 

Seriously...fall or not fall guy, so long as both enjoy the fame and promotions from the falsified data, both should be equally complicit.

  On 7/19/2016 at 2:32 AM, Lala81 said:

From what my BIL tells me, the falsified data in the experiments was done by the guy not in SG. The Lokireddy.

This guy, Kambadur, is just the lab head or supervisor.

 

From what my BIL says, it's likely Kambadur is just the fall guy. 

 

[Watwheels]

This India trained professor got par kay or not?

 

Skali his professorship kelong one.

[Lala81]

i dunno. My BIL seems sympathetic towards them. He's worked under both him and his wife before.

In his opinion, it's difficult for the lab head to detect when falsified data is being used.

Everyone is doing their own research projects.

 

well, just his opinion. 

 

  On 7/19/2016 at 2:38 AM, Vratenza said:

Seriously...fall or not fall guy, so long as both enjoy the fame and promotions from the falsified data, both should be equally complicit.

 

[Donut]

  On 7/19/2016 at 2:51 AM, Lala81 said:

i dunno. My BIL seems sympathetic towards them. He's worked under both him and his wife before.

In his opinion, it's difficult for the lab head to detect when falsified data is being used.

Everyone is doing their own research projects.

 

well, just his opinion.

Well, someone has to take the fall.

[Vratenza]

You see.... the way things are handled in the scientific realm is very different from how it is handled by our governing bodies....everyone involved,  from the top to bottom has to be made example of.

 

 

With all the SMRT/LTA/MOT shinanigans ....no one harikiri yet.

 

  On 7/19/2016 at 2:51 AM, Lala81 said:

i dunno. My BIL seems sympathetic towards them. He's worked under both him and his wife before.

In his opinion, it's difficult for the lab head to detect when falsified data is being used.

Everyone is doing their own research projects.

 

well, just his opinion. 

 

[Sosaria]

Would be quite difficult for the lab head or supervisor to check every single student's work.

 

Many fraud cases went ahead to be published, cited, win awards and all, and only some months later will red flag be raised when other people cannot duplicate the results.

 

Those of us who've done postgrad research will know ... meet with the supervising prof regularly also just show data, charts, then discuss etc. The prof not going to have time to drop by at odd hours to see you run the tests. At the most, with today's technology, it's convenient to send a video.

 

End of the day, boils down to the integrity of the individual student / researcher. What's the point of lying and how they can have the nerve to carry it on for so long. One day sure kena exposed, whole career gone, it's very stressful.

 

But this recent fraudulent research is very interesting ... the ability to keep the body in fat-burning mode is yet another 'holy grail' quest ... how to sit on your arse all day, eat all you want, and still stay slim

 

Next to the discovery of sildenafil citrate, this is the most exciting news in the field of pharmaceuticals.

[Karoon]

i'm not in academic, but i think charging researchers for such fraud is bad for the research sector.  They are under pressure of having to keep publishing papers in order to continue getting grants, which in most cases just cover their most basic cost of living. Whatever incentives are beyond the horizon, scarce, and go only to the top of the pile whose findings have commercial applications. And sometimes there is a fine line on what is fraud especially when there are so many similar researches and thoughts on the same topics.

 

Having a bad rep would already kill their careers anyway, and there's nothing much to recover from them.

They're researchers, not hedge fund managers.

 

the reality is the world needs them more than it needs hedge fund managers.

Edited July 19, 2016 by Karoon

[Wishcumstrue]

  On 7/19/2016 at 3:31 AM, Sosaria said:

Would be quite difficult for the lab head or supervisor to check every single student's work.

 

Many fraud cases went ahead to be published, cited, win awards and all, and only some months later will red flag be raised when other people cannot duplicate the results.

 

Those of us who've done postgrad research will know ... meet with the supervising prof regularly also just show data, charts, then discuss etc. The prof not going to have time to drop by at odd hours to see you run the tests. At the most, with today's technology, it's convenient to send a video.

 

End of the day, boils down to the integrity of the individual student / researcher. What's the point of lying and how they can have the nerve to carry it on for so long. One day sure kena exposed, whole career gone, it's very stressful.

 

But this recent fraudulent research is very interesting ... the ability to keep the body in fat-burning mode is yet another 'holy grail' quest ... how to sit on your arse all day, eat all you want, and still stay slim

 

Next to the discovery of sildenafil citrate, this is the most exciting news in the field of pharmaceuticals.

 

It also depends on the nature of research.

 

Unless someone whistle-blow the data are all fakes, there is little chance to catch fraudsters until it is applied into the practice and industry. As in the case of medicines and bio-science, this may take years to be proven fake or real.

 

Oddly, with these multi-year projects,  none of the 3 institutions caught this and were fooled for quite a no. of years. Questions is how much grant $ has Ravi Kambadur and his team squandered during all those years.

 

[Mcf777]

lately, many cases from the FT ABNN Country.

Doctors, scienctist, fake degree......whats's next?

 

Time to dig all the FT ABNN

[Wishcumstrue]

  On 7/19/2016 at 3:41 AM, Karoon said:

i'm not in academic, but i think charging researchers for such fraud is bad for the research sector.  They are under pressure of having to keep publishing papers in order to continue getting grants, which in most cases just cover their most basic cost of living. Whatever incentives are beyond the horizon, scarce, and go only to the top of the pile whose findings have commercial applications. And sometimes there is a fine line on what is fraud especially when there are so many similar researches and thoughts on the same topics.

 

Having a bad rep would already kill their careers anyway, and there's nothing much to recover from them.

They're researchers, not hedge fund managers.

 

the reality is the world needs them more than it needs hedge fund managers.

 

I strongly disagree.

 

Working under pressure and having the need to constantly prove one's worth in their chosen profession is NOT an excuse for cheating. If you can't make it, be honest with it and move on - DO NOT LIE.

 

If each of us think in such a way to cut corners and even go as far as falsify results than we are no batter than being a race to the bottom. Might as well as stay in the 3rd World.

 

Ultimately, everyone and our children will pay the price for a society that place integrity as secondary.

BTW, here is the CNA of this "discovery" in 2012.  Note the team publicly says going to conduct "clinical trial" on patients !!!

At best the test drug may have placebo effect o at worst, the test subjects may suffer side-effects after signing on disclaimer letters.

 

$ can buy "talent", but not Integrity.

 

Edited July 19, 2016 by Wishcumstrue

[Jungus]

  On 7/19/2016 at 2:24 AM, Atrecord said:

But this is serious right? So it's not anyhow anyhow revoke. It's very serious so need to revoke. And all it's likely they brought a whole clan here, who will likely learn to do the same thing too. Better get rid of them.

 

No need to jail (still need to feed them), just pack them off. If can recover some $$ from the grants, even better.

You Donald Trump?

  On 7/19/2016 at 3:50 AM, Mcf777 said:

lately, many cases from the FT ABNN Country.

Doctors, scienctist, fake degree......whats's next?

 

Time to dig all the FT ABNN

Or perhaps you are....

[Baal]

We are bounded by the free trade agreement. Its part n parcel. Llst.

[Donut]

  On 7/19/2016 at 3:50 AM, Mcf777 said:

lately, many cases from the FT ABNN Country.

Doctors, scienctist, fake degree......whats's next?

 

Time to dig all the FT ABNN

Seriously I don't trust the degrees in India. All can be bought or forged or cheat in exams.

 

I'm just waiting for someone to prove me wrong

[Atrecord]

  On 7/19/2016 at 2:32 AM, Lala81 said:

From what my BIL tells me, the falsified data in the experiments was done by the guy not in SG. The Lokireddy.

This guy, Kambadur, is just the lab head or supervisor.

 

From what my BIL says, it's likely Kambadur is just the fall guy. 

 

If he kanna sabo'ed then his bad luck. Maybe shouldn't be punished as severely but he certainly has some responsibility being the head. 

 

Cannot be everything move on because it's (somebody else') honest mistake right, some more in this case it's somebody else' dishonest mistake? 

  On 7/19/2016 at 2:51 AM, Lala81 said:

i dunno. My BIL seems sympathetic towards them. He's worked under both him and his wife before.

In his opinion, it's difficult for the lab head to detect when falsified data is being used.

Everyone is doing their own research projects.

 

well, just his opinion. 

 

OK. Understand. This is even more so if there should be cross-uni/lab collaboration. Your partner so far away do anything also you cannot verify.

 

But... if like this, i think better hurry up give up the headship whenever the lab got dubious people joining. Then no need to be implicated or take responsibility.

[Kezg1]

  On 7/19/2016 at 4:22 AM, Baal said:

We are bounded by the free trade agreement. Its part n parcel. Llst.

 

 

...that was wht i suspected...and also the recent ida case...the ah chee was caught with mill certificate but ida said due to her experience they accepted...damn...

[Atrecord]

  On 7/19/2016 at 4:05 AM, Jungus said:

You Donald Trump?

Or perhaps you are....

 

No. I just have bad experience with some people at my workplace, and heard many bad stories...

  On 7/19/2016 at 5:44 AM, Donut said:

Seriously I don't trust the degrees in India. All can be bought or forged or cheat in exams.

 

I'm just waiting for someone to prove me wrong

 

Did you mean having exams conducted under such external influence???

 

[Donut]

  On 7/19/2016 at 6:13 AM, Atrecord said:

No. I just have bad experience with some people at my workplace, and heard many bad stories...

 

 

Did you mean having exams conducted under such external influence???

 

exam.jpg

https://www.google.com.sg/search?hl=en-GB&ie=UTF-8&source=android-browser&q=exam+cheats+in+india&gfe_rd=cr&ei=eMaNV8arPJaCvATai6AI&gws_rd=ssl

 

Even Indian army makes candidates take exam in underwear.

 

What degree cannot be bought or cheated in India?

[Sosaria]

That's why many people shun research careers these days. Money is hard-fought from grants and the paymasters are impatient for results.

 

Real research on the other hand has no fixed timetable and often encounter failure after failure, just as experienced by those scientists long ago - many became impoverished in the pursuit of their research.