Liverpool 2016/17: YNWA with Klopp

[Scion]

  On 6/10/2016 at 5:37 PM, Bismarck said:

One of them is in my other list of 11, 11 least favourite but the list include the players I know rather than just from 2000 to 2016. I will also include least fav manager as bonus

 

Manager - the best man for the job

 

Itandje

Kvarme, ruddock, piechnik, konchesky,

Paul Stewart, Gerrard, mcmanaman, si gin na,

Owen, Diouf

 

woooooh, i'm surprised a Liverpool fan will dislike Gerrard

 

this was the guy who rejected Chelsea to stay with his boyhood club leh

[Bismarck]

  On 6/11/2016 at 4:53 AM, Scion said:

woooooh, i'm surprised a Liverpool fan will dislike Gerrard

 

this was the guy who rejected Chelsea to stay with his boyhood club leh

Haha, then maybe you should visit a couple of Liverpool forums like Tia and redandwhitekop. There are quite a few. I know some members like me were banned for voicing out.

 

Do you hear carragher having transfer rumour? Or scum Paul asscholes? don't have right? So if Liverpool is really so important to him, why is he the subject of transfer to Chelsea? And I haven't talk about his friendship with the special one. Aw that's his own business.

 

Gerrard is someone who is insecure, individualistic and interfere with a lot of things at the club. Traditionally before a player starts to drop his standard, the club already source for replacement and slowly phase out the player. But players like Gerrard and carragher refused to be these players. I understand from their point of view but from the club point of view it is no good. How ex pool players like tommy smith, Phil Neal all try to kick up a fuss but in the end managers like paisley and dalglish prevailed.

 

Maybe I just share a recent link on what kind of person Gerrard is. Sammy Lee, also a Liverpool legend has to apologize to him for interferring and overwrite coaching decision. There are more. You just have to find out and read about it.

 

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/dudek-night-houllier-lost-liverpool-11228732

[cashcow]

  On 6/11/2016 at 4:53 AM, Scion said:

woooooh, i'm surprised a Liverpool fan will dislike Gerrard

 

this was the guy who rejected Chelsea to stay with his boyhood club leh

Gerrard is an icon but he is not all angellic. His attempted move to Stamford Bridge was a deliberate manoeuvre to raise his wages by some additional 50K pnds/week. Liverpool have to give in to his demands.

 

After Torres left, things start to slowly tango downhill.

 

Overall, he is still respected if you compare him to Mickey Owens who is the infamously greatest self-centered bloke in Pool's recent history. Now Mickey is the football ambassador for Pool, pretty ironic. 

Edited June 11, 2016 by cashcow

[Scion]

ohhh... i never really followed the news of his "attempted" move to Chelsea, so i dun really know the full story

 

just feel sad that in the end, many fans turned against him because of that famous slip, and the club let him go

[Bismarck]

  On 6/11/2016 at 11:44 AM, Scion said:

ohhh... i never really followed the news of his "attempted" move to Chelsea, so i dun really know the full story

 

just feel sad that in the end, many fans turned against him because of that famous slip, and the club let him go

It's just my own opinion. There are many others who do not share my opinion of gerrard.

 

All hell broke lose after that match. I and a few others were banned at redandwhitekop forum for voicing out about Gerrard. Before that we already have reservation about gerrard playing as a deep lying midfielder after the villa match. If I recalled we lost 3-1? Of course after that we went 10 match winning streak? and seems like a master stroke by xxxx that no one dare to question anymore and the mods there crackdown those who voice out too harshly. But I don't care anymore after that slip. I just thrashed gerrard and the best man for the job so much until I got the ban lol

[Vinzntonic]

  On 6/11/2016 at 1:54 PM, Bismarck said:

It's just my own opinion. There are many others who do not share my opinion of gerrard.

 

All hell broke lose after that match. I and a few others were banned at redandwhitekop forum for voicing out about Gerrard. Before that we already have reservation about gerrard playing as a deep lying midfielder after the villa match. If I recalled we lost 3-1? Of course after that we went 10 match winning streak? and seems like a master stroke by xxxx that no one dare to question anymore and the mods there crackdown those who voice out too harshly. But I don't care anymore after that slip. I just thrashed gerrard and the best man for the job so much until I got the ban lol

 

 

The way u look at gerrard is the way i look at rafa, u look at the positves or Rafa while i challenge his negative, But i wun question your loyalty or question u as a fan :)))).. Gerrard is Liverpool, yes he's only human..but u can never find another player who played his heart out like him and carragher..

 

I wun get into a debate with you.. but in this era, we wun find many players like them anymore..

[Bismarck]

  On 6/11/2016 at 3:40 PM, Vinzntonic said:

The way u look at gerrard is the way i look at rafa, u look at the positves or Rafa while i challenge his negative, But i wun question your loyalty or question u as a fan :)))).. Gerrard is Liverpool, yes he's only human..but u can never find another player who played his heart out like him and carragher..

 

I wun get into a debate with you.. but in this era, we wun find many players like them anymore..

For your info my son's name is Gerard. And it's not because of houllier

 

That's how much I used to be his fan. But by the time I my son was born, I already change my opinion of him. But I still go ahead with it.

 

As for Rafa, I knew his shortcomings. He seem cold and too professional. Way too stubborn to give in.

 

My thinking is always gear towards the interest of the club. I always look how much one is prepare to put himself for the club. Gerrard did give a lot, and I do not want to question his loyalty too

 

But I guess some things happen for a reason. We will see in future if our opinion is really right or not.

[Ktglfc]

A historic win for Allen and Ward's Wales, but a nightmare performance from Skrtel.

 

Allen got the Man of the Match award :))

As for Skrtel, he was really lucky not to get Red carded for elbowing ... Oh well, hope we can still sell him off !

[Shorty]

Even in national team he plays like that. Seriously wat is wrong wif him. But somehow the refs n linesman nvr spot it.

[Ktglfc]

  On 6/12/2016 at 5:48 AM, Shorty said:

Even in national team he plays like that. Seriously wat is wrong wif him. But somehow the refs n linesman nvr spot it.

I just hope he gets red card and ends his misery in this competition ... And then we can still sell him off for some decent $

[Vinzntonic]

  On 6/11/2016 at 10:28 PM, Ktglfc said:

A historic win for Allen and Ward's Wales, but a nightmare performance from Skrtel.

 

Allen got the Man of the Match award :))

As for Skrtel, he was really lucky not to get Red carded for elbowing ... Oh well, hope we can still sell him off !

 

Surprising Ward was first choice also.. Another historic night for the young keeper who barely featured in 2016..

[BenTong]

Gerrard and Carra were the reasons why Pool never achieved its full potential and Pool was the reason why Gerrard and Carra never did their full potential. Not to mention the owners and the managers and the CEOs.

 

The ppl that reached and exceeded their full potential are the fans!!! And of course SingTel..damn!

Edited June 12, 2016 by BenTong

[Bacteria83]

  On 6/12/2016 at 6:32 AM, Vinzntonic said:

Surprising Ward was first choice also.. Another historic night for the young keeper who barely featured in 2016..

Wales first choice injuried, ward is backup. his quite compose.

 

Allen played well, His usual 7.5 rating game, and his batt like wont flat one running whole game. Hope we keep him if no gd offer come in.

Edited June 12, 2016 by Bacteria83

[Extinguisher]

Coutinho can come back early to rest now.

[Little_prince]

A couple more i would also consider

 

1. Macmanaman on the wings. his dribbling was by far the most unorthodox i have seen.

2. Ian Rush. 2000 was his last year but still by far the best british striker in his generation.

3. Gary Macallister. Didn't came in his prime. but he was damm memorable in my opinion.

4. Fowler/Owen. in half minds over them. but their best years was with pool. and they deserves a mention. but probably wouldn't make my first eleven.

5. Steve Finnan. very under rated. may not be the best RB but damm consistent. i would put him over carragher at RB, Carragher is more of a CB tbh.

 

  On 6/10/2016 at 5:56 AM, Scion said:

who's your Liverpool best 11 (2000 to 2016)?

 

mine will be (4-4-2 diamond):

 

 

-----------Torres---------Suarez---------------

 

------------------Gerrard-------------------------

 

--Kewell-------------------------------Sterling--

 

------------------Alonso--------------------------

 

Riise---Hyypia----Mascherano--Carragher

 

-------------------Reina--------------------------

 

 

actually Mascherano played DM during his Liverpool days but I can't think of a better CB

 

the wings also quite weak

 

though the attacking trio is definitely world class

 

[Shorty]

2 disappointments in copa. brazil n uruguay both somehow got 3rd in their relatively weak groups.

[Othello]

  On 6/13/2016 at 3:28 AM, Little_prince said:

 

5. Steve Finnan. very under rated. may not be the best RB but damm consistent. i would put him over carragher at RB, Carragher is more of a CB tbh.

 

If he din suffer that illness ---> Markus Babbel. 

 

Rob Jones too 

 

Based on ability alone, Carra would not even make my 5th team. Based on other factors, he would be at best on the 5th team

Edited June 13, 2016 by Othello

[Scion]

cos one club men in football are so rare...

 

only a handful have achieved it, eg Maldini, Giggs, Gary Neville, Tony Adams, Carragher, Puyol, John Terry (likely), Totti (likely)

 

that's why was hoping for Gerrard to stay on, but too bad, reality is cruel

 

he suffered the same fate as Raul