The 2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia

[Gnahp]

On 6/7/2023 at 3:37 PM, SZ_ford said:

was quoted 188999 without COE, havent touched on friendship yet haha

that's the OTR price for Giulia Super they quoted me a few years ago

[Sdf4786k]

On 6/7/2023 at 4:54 PM, Gnahp said:

that's the OTR price for Giulia Super they quoted me a few years ago

Was that not the lelong price for change of distributor?

[Gnahp]

On 6/10/2023 at 10:42 AM, Sdf4786k said:

Was that not the lelong price for change of distributor?

don't think it's lelong price, maybe low(er) COE that time

[ER-3682]

On 6/7/2023 at 3:37 PM, SZ_ford said:

was quoted 188999 without COE, havent touched on friendship yet haha

Wow,Near $280,000-290,000 for a Italian Car...?

[ER-3682]

Anyway,current COE are too crazy for Middle Class Citizens,image you buy pure ICE Cars,you still subject to up to $25,000 of Emission Tax,these 2 ''Papers'' already costed $145,000++.

[Ct3833]

On 6/10/2023 at 12:36 PM, ER-3682 said:

Wow,Near $280,000-290,000 for a Italian Car...?

Simi !  Italian no good ? Ferrari, Lamboghini, Maserati are all Italian ok🤣🤣

But because of their consistently low sales volume, they need to have decent mark up per car in order to survive. 

Edited June 10, 2023 by Ct3833

[SZ_ford]

@Sdf4786k was peter who served me

[SZ_ford]

@ER-3682 this is the higher spec model. 280 hp.

i think similiarly spec model from germany (330, c300, M235, a35) will cost 300k onwards

[ER-3682]

On 6/23/2023 at 3:20 PM, SZ_ford said:

@ER-3682 this is the higher spec model. 280 hp.

i think similiarly spec model from germany (330, c300, M235, a35) will cost 300k onwards

Still a 4 Cylinders Car...V6(510Bhp, will be better).

[Theoldjaffa]

On 6/23/2023 at 3:20 PM, SZ_ford said:

@ER-3682 this is the higher spec model. 280 hp.

i think similiarly spec model from germany (330, c300, M235, a35) will cost 300k onwards

iirc were you driving A5?

[Theoldjaffa]

On 6/23/2023 at 4:08 PM, ER-3682 said:

Still a 4 Cylinders Car...V6(510Bhp, will be better).

1 owner 4.4L V8 at same price

https://www.sgcarmart.com/used_cars/info.php?ID=1206290&DL=3381

 

[ER-3682]

On 6/23/2023 at 4:10 PM, Theoldjaffa said:

1 owner 4.4L V8 at same price

https://www.sgcarmart.com/used_cars/info.php?ID=1206290&DL=3381

 

Old BMW 4.4 V8 Problematic Engine..

[inlinesix]

On 6/23/2023 at 4:13 PM, ER-3682 said:

Old BMW 4.4 V8 Problematic Engine..

Bro, you better stick to mopez la

 

[Theoldjaffa]

Consistent with my own personal experience with my 3 year 5 month old Giulia, and from the number of complaints I see in the Volvo/Polestar FB group.. it also matches.

This is not a boast or to pat myself in the back for having a car with less problems than others, or to laugh at the supposedly more reliable brands for ranking lower this time.

The key message is.. be responsible and don't spread any falsehoods or biases if when you've not owned any before.

For folks who've never owned a current model Alfa Romeo (Giulia/Stelvio), perhaps its time to stop spreading fallacies about the brand's (un)reliability just because of their past reputation.

But no one knows what the future holds.. perhaps when AR goes full EV, they will face the same issues as Tesla and Polestar.. along with the other EV makers.

See URL for more charts and rankings.

https://www.carscoops.com/2023/06/initial-quality-has-fallen-so-far-that-j-d-power-ranks-ram-and-alfa-romeo-among-top-brands-in-2023

 

Initial Quality Has Fallen So Far That J.D. Power Ranks RAM And Alfa Romeo Among Top Brands In 2023

EV startups are struggling with initial quality, and the innovative tech they have pushed the industry to adopt is leading to widespread issues

Over the last two years, the frequency of initial quality issues has risen by 30 problems per 100 vehicles. The automotive industry’s quality troubles are so bad that J.D. Power’s director of auto benchmarking, Frank Hanley, says he’s never seen anything like it.

“The automotive industry is facing a wide range of quality problems, a phenomenon not seen in the 37-year history of the [Initial Quality Study],” said Hanley. “From persistent problems carrying over from years past to an increase in new types of problems, today’s new vehicles are more complex—offering new and exciting technology—but not always satisfying owners.”

The average automaker now experiences 192 problems per 100 vehicles (PP100), which is 12 more than in 2022, and 30 more than in 2021. Initial quality is so bad, that Dodge, Ram, and Alfa Romeo (140, 141, and 143 PP100, respectively) are now the top ranking brands in America in terms of initial quality. By contrast, last year Ram was below the industry average and Alfa Romeo was the seventh worst-performing brand overall.

Troublesome findings for EV makers

Although they aren’t officially ranked because their sample sizes were too small, J.D. Power found that EV maker Tesla (257 PP100), Rivian (282 PP100), Polestar (313 PP100), and Lucid (340 PP100) were the worst performing brands in the initial quality survey. Their poor scores may hint at what lies at the heart of this issue.

A focus on technical innovation over reliability has led to more issues. This has led to more complaints and problems across the board, from bad audio systems, lane departure warnings that glitch out, to an unreliable Android Operating System, and wireless smartphone chargers that can’t be trusted.

And new technology’s foibles aren’t just affecting infotainment systems, they’re even causing problems with very basic things like doors. Newly designed handles in seven of the 10 most popular EVs have been highlighted as a problem by users, the survey found.

Although shoppers are attracted by high-tech features and innovative design, automakers will likely have to focus on quality soon before it becomes too big a problem for buyers to ignore. As Hanley puts it, “The industry is at a major crossroad and the path each manufacturer chooses is paramount for its future.”

 

[Theoldjaffa]

[SZ_ford]

@Theoldjaffa yup, still am

[SZ_ford]

On 6/26/2023 at 10:10 AM, Theoldjaffa said:

Consistent with my own personal experience with my 3 year 5 month old Giulia, and from the number of complaints I see in the Volvo/Polestar FB group.. it also matches.

This is not a boast or to pat myself in the back for having a car with less problems than others, or to laugh at the supposedly more reliable brands for ranking lower this time.

The key message is.. be responsible and don't spread any falsehoods or biases if when you've not owned any before.

For folks who've never owned a current model Alfa Romeo (Giulia/Stelvio), perhaps its time to stop spreading fallacies about the brand's (un)reliability just because of their past reputation.

But no one knows what the future holds.. perhaps when AR goes full EV, they will face the same issues as Tesla and Polestar.. along with the other EV makers.

See URL for more charts and rankings.

https://www.carscoops.com/2023/06/initial-quality-has-fallen-so-far-that-j-d-power-ranks-ram-and-alfa-romeo-among-top-brands-in-2023

 

Initial Quality Has Fallen So Far That J.D. Power Ranks RAM And Alfa Romeo Among Top Brands In 2023

EV startups are struggling with initial quality, and the innovative tech they have pushed the industry to adopt is leading to widespread issues

Over the last two years, the frequency of initial quality issues has risen by 30 problems per 100 vehicles. The automotive industry’s quality troubles are so bad that J.D. Power’s director of auto benchmarking, Frank Hanley, says he’s never seen anything like it.

“The automotive industry is facing a wide range of quality problems, a phenomenon not seen in the 37-year history of the [Initial Quality Study],” said Hanley. “From persistent problems carrying over from years past to an increase in new types of problems, today’s new vehicles are more complex—offering new and exciting technology—but not always satisfying owners.”

The average automaker now experiences 192 problems per 100 vehicles (PP100), which is 12 more than in 2022, and 30 more than in 2021. Initial quality is so bad, that Dodge, Ram, and Alfa Romeo (140, 141, and 143 PP100, respectively) are now the top ranking brands in America in terms of initial quality. By contrast, last year Ram was below the industry average and Alfa Romeo was the seventh worst-performing brand overall.

Troublesome findings for EV makers

Although they aren’t officially ranked because their sample sizes were too small, J.D. Power found that EV maker Tesla (257 PP100), Rivian (282 PP100), Polestar (313 PP100), and Lucid (340 PP100) were the worst performing brands in the initial quality survey. Their poor scores may hint at what lies at the heart of this issue.

A focus on technical innovation over reliability has led to more issues. This has led to more complaints and problems across the board, from bad audio systems, lane departure warnings that glitch out, to an unreliable Android Operating System, and wireless smartphone chargers that can’t be trusted.

And new technology’s foibles aren’t just affecting infotainment systems, they’re even causing problems with very basic things like doors. Newly designed handles in seven of the 10 most popular EVs have been highlighted as a problem by users, the survey found.

Although shoppers are attracted by high-tech features and innovative design, automakers will likely have to focus on quality soon before it becomes too big a problem for buyers to ignore. As Hanley puts it, “The industry is at a major crossroad and the path each manufacturer chooses is paramount for its future.”

 

would love to get the facelifted giulia especially with the new digital display and DRL, probably also the last ICE giulia

but given current coe price, just beyond my means. kuai kuai drive my current car haha

[Theoldjaffa]

On 6/26/2023 at 11:57 AM, SZ_ford said:

would love to get the facelifted giulia especially with the new digital display and DRL, probably also the last ICE giulia

but given current coe price, just beyond my means. kuai kuai drive my current car haha

Ikr. The COE is just nuts and the new AD’s asking price is also crazy high. Not worth it. 
 

if ur A5 is still problem free then just stick with it. It’s got better FC and build quality compared to the Giulia. Just that drive wise I dunno, I tried the A4 back in 2020 and Giulia definitely wins in the driving dynamics part.