This Is Why Some People Get Promoted At Work

[Jamesc]

I remember that bushy mustache.

 

Its Mr Borat.

 

[Datsun366]

i have been working under this AD since i first started with the company many years ago. so he knows my pattern. the director was

transfered to our dept 2 years ago after a major restructuring. the AD once commented that i am someone who has little ambition

and i don't 明争暗斗。i just do my duty and get paid for my work. so it seems that work and status are NOT my first priority in life.

Be careful, your Director may know you from MCF.

Hahaha.

Oops. I did it again.

 

 

Those who handed out the scholarships for the foreign talent are anonymous and will always be anonymous. They will read this with consternation and a degree of alarm. Our Generals are our boys. Still our boys. Maybe your kindergarten classmate, ya?

 

Just so you know, those foreign recipients are not really performing to expectations or asked to perform more as per native Singaporeans. They are quite nua.

 

I am sure if I was on board interviewing and recommending scholarship (simi sai term for giving money) to foreign talent, I must be anonymous. It's a literal death sentence to be outed now with the amount of fury we are experiencing. How much of the 61% grabbed ahold of their fury and throttled the fury with reason? How much more to lose to fury? Why is there fury?

Why? Intuitively if it is a good plan, there should not be so many worries and considerations by the doers.

Our people came by themselves. I know some of the existing and previous ministars ...parents and grandparents came third class by leaky boat. No one went over and interviewed them and offered all expenses paid education with guaranteed job at graduation. Further development down the line.

 

If it is a cockeyed plan, the inheritor would have great pressure taking over a 'potential' mess.

Especially if he is a very bright hobbit.

 

Competent Management is cold and heartless.

Quality management encourages increased productivity through loyalty. It manipulates emotions. Who wants to improve? Merdeka!

 

Anyone good at Lego bricks?

 

What the management views as a human being and what workers view as human being is different.

What is the worker selling?

What is the management buying?

 

Loyalty for sale! Real non adulterated mark 1. Useful once every six years.

Edited May 16, 2016 by Datsun366

[Maxus-MIFA9]

There are some dying for promotion and will do anything to get promoted.

 

There are some mati mati don't want to get promoted ...

 

I know one who does not want to be promoted. Even to Supervisor, he just want to be a team leader leading a team of technicians (4 persons) in a electronic plant. He comes to work at 7.00am (1 hr early) and goes home sharp at 5.00pm.  

 

Asked him why and he said that being a Supervisor, he had to attend meetings, conduct talks and have to bring work home to do. He prefers to stay low profile in office.       

[Gizmore]

There are some dying for promotion and will do anything to get promoted.

 

There are some mati mati don't want to get promoted ...

 

I know one who does not want to be promoted. Even to Supervisor, he just want to be a team leader leading a team of technicians (4 persons) in a electronic plant. He comes to work at 7.00am (1 hr early) and goes home sharp at 5.00pm.  

 

Asked him why and he said that being a Supervisor, he had to attend meetings, conduct talks and have to bring work home to do. He prefers to stay low profile in office.       

 

Some people just like to do what they are best at. Take that away and they will perform worst off.

 

Being the best at what they are doing doesn't mean they can lead a big team. It takes a lot to manage people and this is often very different from what they are good at technically. 

[Baal]

To be honest. Usually jumping all in maybe 20%max. Unless you really sibei severely underpaid.

So i was right bout myself. Lol

[Adrianli]

Whatever theories there are, the person who has the power to promote must like you. Else there's nothing else to talk about. Ability, politics, relationships etc don't matter.

 

This is very true!!!

 

I think my director looks after me very well. Promoting me and doing the same work.

 

 

Me started with officer, then 3yrs later he need ppl at another dept. Send me there for 3yrs. Then transfer me back and came up with a assistant executive role for me with the same work scope as I joined the company. Then 3yrs later, promote me to executive role, work scope remian the same. Another 3yrs later, promote me to senior executive role but work scope remain the same.

[Little_prince]

actually very true.

 

halo effect is real.

 

some people are just better as individual contributors in technical roles than as a manager.

 

man management is both an art and a skill.

 

too much emphasis is made on being a manager as part as career progression ( at least in singapore) that people forget the fact.

 

all companies should have different career pathways to cater to different people and interest. 

 

in my previous companies ( US MNCs) there are lots of example where people actually give up promotion opportunities to remain as a engineers, in a role that they enjoy. and some engineers actually earn more for than the managers that they report to. 

 

i feel that this is better for the company in the long run.

 

Some people just like to do what they are best at. Take that away and they will perform worst off.

 

Being the best at what they are doing doesn't mean they can lead a big team. It takes a lot to manage people and this is often very different from what they are good at technically. 

 

[Jman888]

actually very true.

 

halo effect is real.

 

some people are just better as individual contributors in technical roles than as a manager.

 

man management is both an art and a skill.

 

too much emphasis is made on being a manager as part as career progression ( at least in singapore) that people forget the fact.

 

all companies should have different career pathways to cater to different people and interest. 

 

in my previous companies ( US MNCs) there are lots of example where people actually give up promotion opportunities to remain as a engineers, in a role that they enjoy. and some engineers actually earn more for than the managers that they report to. 

 

i feel that this is better for the company in the long run.

 

 

there are many stakeholders of a company, a person that run day to day operations cannot satisfy everyone.

 

You can please the bosses but anger employees or even customers. On the other hand, you may be seen as a saint in the eyes of customers and staff, but boss/owner may not like it.

[Little_prince]

there are many stakeholders of a company, a person that run day to day operations cannot satisfy everyone.

 

You can please the bosses but anger employees or even customers. On the other hand, you may be seen as a saint in the eyes of customers and staff, but boss/owner may not like it.

 

yeah. true.

 

to be a effective manager.

 

you not only need to be able to manage downwards. more essentially, you need to be able to manage upwards.

[Maxus-MIFA9]

Office politics very hard to understand.....

 

1. Some like to talk loud showing off as if they know everything but in facts they know nothing

2. Some act like very busy but in fact they are slow, hoping that no one would give him/her more work 

3. Some like to act in front of bosses

4. Some like to give lots of suggestions but b'cos of his suggestions, others have to do the work due to 'his' suggestions      and the suggestions will never be about his own work  

5. Some work in silent and always get things done and hoping that others don't poke into their work

6. Some come in to work on Monday talking about what happen during weekends and by Wednesday, planning for weekends

7. Some work on the dot. In at 8.00am and left at 5.00pm sharp 

8. Some like to carries tales to bosses ears

9. Some are very helpful and assist others who couldn't finish their work ..

10. Some would just said: "your work is your work, don't push to me"

 

11. (Worst Kind) some will do the work but when got problems & always not their problems.

12. Some after assisting him, expect you to be automatic to help him again cos, they will said, he had done if before and so he should get the work as he knew the work...   

13. Some like to cc everybody to show off his work which doesn't concern you or your department at all. (apart from safety matters, office rules or general instructions) - show off   

 

 

 

 

[Little_prince]

i think the problem is that most youngster nowadays see management position as a holy grail.

 

i even know some guys that took a pay cut for a role with a "manager" title even though there is no direct report.

 

these people tend to see engineers/technical people as "low end/dead end" jobs . rather than a specialist role.

 

i feel that we don't give engineers enough credit. and i wonder, if all the govt initiatives into STEM and channeling all the money to make engineering "Sexy" is too little. too late. 

 

will be very hard to reverse the many years of neglect that the engineering profession has seen over the last decade

[Mustank]

i think the problem is that most youngster nowadays see management position as a holy grail.

 

i even know some guys that took a pay cut for a role with a "manager" title even though there is no direct report.

 

these people tend to see engineers/technical people as "low end/dead end" jobs . rather than a specialist role.

 

i feel that we don't give engineers enough credit. and i wonder, if all the govt initiatives into STEM and channeling all the money to make engineering "Sexy" is too little. too late. 

 

will be very hard to reverse the many years of neglect that the engineering profession has seen over the last decade

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Kusje]

Some people just like to do what they are best at. Take that away and they will perform worst off.

 

Being the best at what they are doing doesn't mean they can lead a big team. It takes a lot to manage people and this is often very different from what they are good at technically. 

 

This is definitely me. 

 

I'm at the stage in my career where I am starting to be put in charge of other people and their work and I hate it.

 

Currently looking for an opportunity where I can develop my expertise without being a manager.

[Porker]

This is definitely me.

 

I'm at the stage in my career where I am starting to be put in charge of other people and their work and I hate it.

 

Currently looking for an opportunity where I can develop my expertise without being a manager.

You may want to consider a consulting role. Those kinda careers are more "individualistic" especially when you join those top end strategy consulting firms. Can end up as subject matter expert

[Kusje]

You may want to consider a consulting role. Those kinda careers are more "individualistic" especially when you join those top end strategy consulting firms. Can end up as subject matter expert

 

Thanks for the advise. 

 

I have to be honest and say that I am not competent enough to be a consultant (at the moment?). One of the reasons is because the industry I was working in for most of my career is now in a rather bad shape and there isn't really much opportunities there.

 

There are opportunities outside of the industry but my skills wouldn't be as easily transferable. 

[Enye]

This is definitely me.

 

I'm at the stage in my career where I am starting to be put in charge of other people and their work and I hate it.

 

Currently looking for an opportunity where I can develop my expertise without being a manager.

So high flyer still not appreciative

 

I have never managed anyone in my whole working life

 

Only other people manage me

 

 

[Still2016]

Success is like pregnancy.

 

Everybody congratulates you but nobody knows how many times you got fcuked to achieve it.

 

 

 

 

Kusje : Don't give up

 

Life is like a dick, sometimes it becomes hard for no reason.

Edited May 16, 2016 by Still2016

[Porker]

Thanks for the advise.

 

I have to be honest and say that I am not competent enough to be a consultant (at the moment?). One of the reasons is because the industry I was working in for most of my career is now in a rather bad shape and there isn't really much opportunities there.

 

There are opportunities outside of the industry but my skills wouldn't be as easily transferable.

Actually I'd say certain skills are generic and applicable everywhere. For example an analytical mind and the knack to solve problems are invaluable. These skills are what those consulting firms will pay for. The biggest problem is convincing them that you have the skills and you can jump from a shipping or commodities related industry into something else. MBA may be a route but it's definitely not the only route.