Dyson, the New Kid on the Block

[13177]

Here is about car leh. 

You ask about vaccum cleaners? 

Same brand name, car or vacuum cleaners same same lo. 

[DACH]

You use your mouth to suck out dirt from the car mat is it

 

 

In addition there is a car powered by dyson vacuum cleaner in the previous post

 

 

 

 

 

No lah, I use hands.

Low SES. 

[Ash2017]

No lah, I use hands.

Low SES. 

 

 

never mine shows you are hard working

 

when i win toto next week i buy you dyson v10

[DACH]

never mine shows you are hard working

 

when i win toto next week i buy you dyson v10

 

[Carbon82]

has anybody bought the new Dyson v10 (absolute)?

 

Any personal review?

The suction power is good, and the whole unit is lighter than previous V8 and V6 models (marginally quieter as well, vs V8) , BUT the metal wand (extension piece) is relatively thinner and may dent easily.

 

 

OK, back to Dyson car, they are almost into the final stage of R&D (testing and evaluation), and as the car is designed by ex Product Development Director from Aston Martin, I am guessing it might be a super car or similar.

 

It is getting late now. I shall post more details tomorrow if I have some time.

[Carbon82]

Dyson electric car: new patents show mould-breaking design

 

 

 

 

Sir James Dyson’s eagerly anticipated electric car is likely to be a long, sleek crossover-style premium saloon that occupies roughly the same road space as a Range Rover but looks like having completely different proportions from that classic British 4x4 – and every other production car on the road.

 

Key details of the billionaire inventor’s thinking on electric vehicles have dramatically emerged from three patent applications made public today. They cover the car’s ultra-long wheelbase, unique 'crossover' body, unprecedentedly large and thin wheels, short body overhangs and unusually 'fast' windscreen.

 

As a caveat, though, Dyson’s famously secretive people emphasise that their images – and therefore ours – don’t necessarily show exactly what their car will look like, only some design and engineering devices likely to be used by it.

 

The Dyson car, whose long-rumoured existence was confirmed late in 2017 when the inventor revealed plans to spend £2.5 billion of his own money on it, has been taking shape for the past two years. Work has been led by former Aston Martin chief engineer Ian Minards, who joined Dyson in September 2016 as vice president, automotive.

 

The new Dyson patents show nothing less than a complete rethink of big-car design and engineering conventions for the fast-approaching electric age. The refinements are aimed at delivering low weight and low aerodynamic drag to maximise performance and battery range while providing generous cabin space and first-class ride comfort, a particular Dyson priority.

 

Autocar spoke exclusively this week to company founder Sir James Dyson at his base in Singapore, where electric cars will ultimately be manufactured after an initial batch is built at the company’s £200 million automotive HQ currently under construction in Wiltshire.

 

This new facility already contains a dedicated technical centre for a 500-strong body of engineers – both Dyson regulars and hirings from car makers such as Tesla and Jaguar Land Rover. It will eventually spread across six comprehensively converted wartime aircraft hangars on the 517-acre former RAF Hullavington airbase near the M4 motorway in Wiltshire. A prototype manufacturing facility will open there next month and a 10-mile test track is also under construction.

 

DIMENSIONS AND PROPORTIONS

 

In essence, the patents describe a car that is close to the five-metre length of a standard Range Rover but more than 40cm longer in the wheelbase, at 330cm, with 4-6cm more ground clearance than the Range Rover’s standard 22cm yet at least 25cm less overall height, at around 165cm tall.

 

The car’s layout allows excellent approach, breakover and departure angles, even in Land Rover terms, although there’s no suggestion that Dyson wants to build a farm vehicle. “It’s just that we can have these things for free,” he said.

 

This high-floor/low-roof layout is made possible because of the location of the car’s wide, long, thin underfloor battery, and the adoption of saloon-like seating positions for occupants, giving what Dyson described as a “command” driving position.

 

What's more, the compactness of the (probable) twin electric motors allows a cab-forward layout – assisted by the short nose and raked screen – which allows much of the car’s total length to be used for accommodation. The Dyson patents propose a potential seven-seater (with centre-row and rear-row passengers mounted higher than those in front for good visibility).

 

A saving of around 10cm on overall width is also possible, said Dyson, because of the lack of a bulky internal combustion engine plus the adoption of narrow-section tyres on big-diameter wheels that need smaller wheel envelopes let into the body. A particular Dyson preoccupation is keeping the new car’s frontal area to a minimum, a major contributor to aerodynamic efficiency.

 

BODY, SUSPENSION, WHEELS

 

Dyson confirmed that the car will have an aluminium body, mostly because he and his engineers feel carbonfibre structures haven’t reached the level of maturity they believe the electric project needs. Steel is deemed too heavy.

 

The patent diagrams suggest a platform-shaped battery mounted beneath the body. Such a battery would need to be encased in an extremely rigid, well-protected structure, which points to the use of a 'skateboard' platform chassis supporting suspension subframes front and rear. Height-adjustable and self-leveling suspension seems likely: Dyson himself pointed to the pitch-limiting advantages of the very long wheelbase.

 

The Dyson car is likely to have alloy wheels of a highly unusual 23-24in diameter, running thin tyres of around 45-55 profile. The company is understood already to have a tyre supplier. The inventor said experiments show these wheels have considerably lower rolling resistance than smaller, wider wheels and their greater inertia (often deemed a fault) will help with regenerative brakling.

 

This unusual wheel/tyre combination also creates less aerodynamic drag, allows relatively low tyre pressures to be used (for good ride comfort), resists aquaplaning on wet roads and requires a smaller wheel envelope, reducing intrusion into the cabin. The tyre can still have an acceptably large footprint because it’s longitudinal, not lateral.

 

BATTERY AND POWERTRAIN

 

Dyson’s patent applications contain no powertrain details – beyond a theoretical suggestion that the car could be battery, hydrogen or even petrol-hybrid powered. But Sir James Dyson confirmed that his company is researching two different types of solid-state battery, understood by laymen to be the next big thing after the lithium ion type used almost universally in EVs today.

 

Dyson’s solid-state battery research is proceeding in four linked global locations, including the UK. It seems a certainty that these advanced batteries (bringing advantages in energy density and lightness) will eventually be used in the Dyson car, although there are unconfirmed suggestions that lithium ion may power the earliest cars.

 

Sir James Dyson also won't publicly specify his car’s motors, except to suggest that more than one motor would make sense because that would increase the potential for power regeneration when the car is coasting and braking. Dyson high-speed electric motor designs are among the world’s best and most compact, so the company will build its own motors for this application and package them very compactly.

 

MARKET POSITIONING

 

There’s enough about the specification of a five-metre car with seven-seat capability, powered by an ultra-expensive battery and riding on very special wheels, suspension and brakes to suggest that this will most definitely be a premium car.

 

Hiring the former Aston Martin chief engineer (Ian Minards) and inviting a former BMW big-board member, Ian Robertson, onto your board of director is another indication. Dyson himself mentioned Range Rovers and Teslas as he discussed his new car, suggesting that, in a money sense at least, they were rivals. But the only speculation about price – and it's rather idle – seems to be on which side of £100,000 of today’s money a Dyson car will sit.

 

The car will be sold globally and seems likely to have particular appeal in China. No production volume is spoken of, but it seems clear from the size of the engineering effort that this is much more than a bespoke, hand-made effort. The Dyson name, and the company’s global reputation for unusual, progressive, high-quality products that push at existing boundaries, will surely help it find markets. Everything we’ve seen points to a well-backed, credible, long-lasting rule-breaker of an electric luxury car. Let’s hope we’re right.

 

 

Short bonnet, compact but usable cabin (space), seems that the layout is heavy influenced by James Dyson's liking for Mini.

 

Edited May 9, 2019 by Carbon82

[Mockngbrd]

How is that a mould breaking design? Looks pretty cookie cutter imo.  Looks like an i-Space and Espace rolled into one. 

I personally like the Honda E and Gordon Murray's T27. 

Edited May 10, 2019 by Mockngbrd

[TeamAMG69]

https://www.straitstimes.com/business/companies-markets/dyson-kicks-off-hiring-for-electric-car-plant-here

[WangWang888]

Wonder Will they include a vacuum cleaner?

[Carbon82]

Handsome (I mean the SUV) but somewhat reminds me of a Range Rover...

Someone once told me the price of a Dyson EV would be close to that of an entry level Ferrari, and seems that she was not too far off.

Dyson unveils its $500 million electric car that was cancelled

Dyson has unveiled its abandoned electric car project, which racked up $500 million in cost before the vacuum manufacturer gave up on it. 

Starting in 2016, Dyson had long been rumored to be working on its own electric vehicle. The rumors intensified when the company acquired Michigan-based solid-state battery startup Sakti3 for $90 million and announced plans to build an important $1 billion battery factory to mass-produce the next-generation battery technology.

The company later confirmed the plans in an email to employees.

Dyson confirmed that it was investing £2 billion ($2.7 billion USD) to bring electric vehicles to market and earlier this year, we learned that they were actually planning to produce 3 all-electric vehicles and possibly skipping solid-state batteries for the first generation.

They eventually moved away from solid-state batteries, but they moved forward with plans to produce electric vehicles.

Dyson started converting an airfield into an electric car R&D hub with a massive test track in the UK, but they eventually announced plans to bring electric vehicle production to Singapore.

They had over 600 employees working on electric vehicles and filed several patents for their technology.

Late last year, Dyson announced that it was giving up on the project – simply citing that the project was not “commercially viable”.

Now James Dyson, founder of Dyson, unveiled the working prototype of the vehicle, codenamed N526, which happens to be seven-seater electric SUV with a 600-mile range.

They shared some images of the only working prototype, which is the result of ~ $500 million of the $2 billion planned investment.

Dyson admitted that the failed project was a big disappointment for him:

“There’s huge sadness and disappointment. Ours is a life of risk and of failure. We try things and they fail. Life isn’t easy.”

It’s the first time that we’ve seen the vehicle and it is surprisingly big.

The SUV is five meters long, two meters wide, and 1.7 meters tall and it weighs 2.6 tons.

Dyson claimed to have managed to achieve such a long range thanks to a large battery pack and efficiency gains through aerodynamic performance and an aluminum body.

In the interview with the Times, Dyson expanded on the reason why the canceled the project.

They previously only said that it had become commercially unviable, but now Dyson said that the vehicle would have cost £150,000 (~S$260,000) to make. 

Stats about the car were also revealed by Dyson. It had two 200KWh electric motors, 536bhp, could hit 60mph in 4.8 seconds and weighs in at 2.6 tons.

For Dyson, the project is not a complete loss. Most of the engineers hired for the electric car project have moved to other projects in the company and he is happy with the influx of talent.

[Watwheels]

I didn't know they tried to do everything from scratch. I thought they would collaborate with a car company and use an existing car platform to work on. Sell some cars to earn some revenue before going all out high tech to compete.

Guess not. So ambitious siah. Even existing car companies outsource a lot of parts to third parties and not do everything on their own to save cost.

I think there are more interesting EV companies like Rivian and the Chinese EV Xpeng or Xiaopeng Motors. They have interesting innovations on their EVs.

Edited May 19, 2020 by Watwheels

[Carbon82]

4 hours ago, Watwheels said:

I didn't know they tried to do everything from scratch. I thought they would collaborate with a car company and use an existing car platform to work on. Sell some cars to earn some revenue before going all out high tech to compete.

Guess not. So ambitious siah. Even existing car companies outsource a lot of parts to third parties and not do everything on their own to save cost.

I think there are more interesting EV companies like Rivian and the Chinese EV Xpeng or Xiaopeng Motors. They have interesting innovations on their EVs.

The co$t of British Pride...

What you said is absolutely right, development cost is the killer for EV although it is generally less complex than ICE. And this is why we are seeing many JVs between established auto manufacturers with Chinese (EV) manufacturers, such as Toyota with BYD, Mercedes with Geely, BMW with Great Wall Motor, etc.