clement229 3rd Gear June 19, 2017 Share June 19, 2017 Hi guys, hope to share & hear some opinions. The Harrier(NA version from PI) was on my consider list when changing my ride last year. Always keen on a good SUV, but it was slightly off my budget then. So eventually brought the new Honda Civic 1.5T(driving for 8mths since). Good ride overall. Now knowing BM bringing in the Turbo Harrier, I'm tempted to change & upgrade leh. Haha!! Wonder if it's a good idea? I'm stuck!! Depend on how much Borneo take in your civic You must have won the toto or something between 8 months ago and now. From Harrier NA being slightly out of budget to having sunk in depreciation for a brand new Civic turbo and now still can seriously contemplating a change to Harrier Turbo. Either your story doesn't gel or you are making full use of your school holiday. I was thinking that Harrier NA and civic turbo price diff not much leh.. i think harrier priced $5-7k higher than civic turbo.. ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dxyong 3rd Gear June 20, 2017 Share June 20, 2017 Hi guys, hope to share & hear some opinions. The Harrier(NA version from PI) was on my consider list when changing my ride last year. Always keen on a good SUV, but it was slightly off my budget then. So eventually brought the new Honda Civic 1.5T(driving for 8mths since). Good ride overall. Now knowing BM bringing in the Turbo Harrier, I'm tempted to change & upgrade leh. Haha!! Wonder if it's a good idea? I'm stuck!! Is there anything you need from Harrier that the Civic can't? Financial lost for the trade in aside (I bet you must be prepared, maybe you tio 4D or win in recent stocks rally :p), the ride are very different for both. IMO Civic is pretty good chiong car esp yours is turbo...cornering...pickup...overtaking....70% of the road car can smell your smoke....however if you switch to SUV....you will smell the smoke from 70% of the road car :p Regardless of new TC Harrier or not, they are heavy, tall and big, immediately you can feel the sluggishness and it won't be as agile....parking will need extra care and also it tends to be noisier due to aero drag and more surface for noise to penetrate :p But if I am in your shoe, hack care what other people say lah....it's my money and I will still plunge.....YOLO and the Harrier is super damn chio :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9xBrucie June 20, 2017 Share June 20, 2017 Is there anything you need from Harrier that the Civic can't? Financial lost for the trade in aside (I bet you must be prepared, maybe you tio 4D or win in recent stocks rally :p), the ride are very different for both. IMO Civic is pretty good chiong car esp yours is turbo...cornering...pickup...overtaking....70% of the road car can smell your smoke....however if you switch to SUV....you will smell the smoke from 70% of the road car :p Regardless of new TC Harrier or not, they are heavy, tall and big, immediately you can feel the sluggishness and it won't be as agile....parking will need extra care and also it tends to be noisier due to aero drag and more surface for noise to penetrate :p But if I am in your shoe, hack care what other people say lah....it's my money and I will still plunge.....YOLO and the Harrier is super damn chio :lol: "IMO Civic is pretty good chiong car esp yours is turbo...cornering...pickup...overtaking....70% of the road car can smell your smoke....however if you switch to SUV....you will smell the smoke from 70% of the road car :p" That is until 1.5T owners start smelling smoke from their prematurely worn down engine pistons and turbo units. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuzFXT 2nd Gear June 20, 2017 Share June 20, 2017 "IMO Civic is pretty good chiong car esp yours is turbo...cornering...pickup...overtaking....70% of the road car can smell your smoke....however if you switch to SUV....you will smell the smoke from 70% of the road car :p" That is until 1.5T owners start smelling smoke from their prematurely worn down engine pistons and turbo units. So bad for the Civic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunny Hypersonic June 20, 2017 Share June 20, 2017 No matter how they tune, they cannot move the start of peak torque 1,650rpm earlier without adversely affecting the overall smoothness of the engine for daily commute. So I think the low end pick up will suffer from the same lag as the NX (or worse since it is potentially a heavier car with the new turbo setup and overall bigger footprint/sheet metal compared to the NX) dont mean to OT, but this graph almost represent general Sex drives of men and women red - men blue - women below ,,20yrs, 30yrs, 40yrs, 50yrs ..60yrs old peisei...... 21 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noob79 Twincharged June 20, 2017 Share June 20, 2017 dont mean to OT, but this graph almost represent general Sex drives of men and women red - men blue - women below ,,20yrs, 30yrs, 40yrs, 50yrs ..60yrs old peisei...... 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wondertree 3rd Gear June 20, 2017 Share June 20, 2017 dont mean to OT, but this graph almost represent general Sex drives of men and women red - men blue - women below ,,20yrs, 30yrs, 40yrs, 50yrs ..60yrs old peisei...... this needs to be praised. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoldjaffa Hypersonic June 20, 2017 Share June 20, 2017 "IMO Civic is pretty good chiong car esp yours is turbo...cornering...pickup...overtaking....70% of the road car can smell your smoke....however if you switch to SUV....you will smell the smoke from 70% of the road car :p" That is until 1.5T owners start smelling smoke from their prematurely worn down engine pistons and turbo units. Classic example of plain stereotyping. Drive turbo car means every day will whack the car ah? Even for NA cars, you whack every day the engine will wear down too. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9xBrucie June 20, 2017 Share June 20, 2017 (edited) Classic example of plain stereotyping. Drive turbo car means every day will whack the car ah? Even for NA cars, you whack every day the engine will wear down too. Not stereotyping...just plain old mechanics. Europeans have been placing small turbo units in smaller cc cars for much longer and the low trend for lack of durability is well established. These from established German and Swedish automakers such as Audi, VW and Volvo. Comparatively speaking, this is still something relatively new to the Japs and owners should expect premature costs to hit them. These include: oil leaks from the TC and blown gaskets and pistons, i.e. serious longevity problems. As for whacking, you don't have to whack. Just drive one on a daily basis and tell me you won't sink time and again for the pulling power of forced induction from traffic lights, passing slo-mo traffic, etc. The very thing owners hope to achieve from a TC charged car, i.e. fuel economy, will be the first thing that slips from their fingers. Next to follow suit, will be reliability. This is not a slight on owners of such cars - they should indeed enjoy it...while it lasts! I speak from experience here. Still... don't take my word for it. Just come back here in a couple years time to see if I'm right. P.S. By the way, the best small displacement engines to TC are not the puny petrol ones but rather the diesels. Petrol engines run hotter than diesels...and added with forced induction = more heat = laundry list of failures = escalating repair bills Edited June 20, 2017 by 9xBrucie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clement229 3rd Gear June 20, 2017 Share June 20, 2017 Not stereotyping...just plain old mechanics. Europeans have been placing small turbo units in smaller cc cars for much longer and the low trend for lack of durability is well established. These from established German and Swedish automakers such as Audi, VW and Volvo. Comparatively speaking, this is still something relatively new to the Japs and owners should expect premature costs to hit them. These include: oil leaks from the TC and blown gaskets and pistons, i.e. serious longevity problems. As for whacking, you don't have to whack. Just drive one on a daily basis and tell me you won't sink time and again for the pulling power of forced induction from traffic lights, passing slo-mo traffic, etc. The very thing owners hope to achieve from a TC charged car, i.e. fuel economy, will be the first thing that slips from their fingers. Next to follow suit, will be reliability. This is not a slight on owners of such cars - they should indeed enjoy it...while it lasts! I speak from experience here. Still... don't take my word for it. Just come back here in a couple years time to see if I'm right. P.S. By the way, the best small displacement engines to TC are not the puny petrol ones but rather the diesels. Petrol engines run hotter than diesels...and added with forced induction = more heat = laundry list of failures = escalating repair bills Nowadays got warranty like 3 or 5 years , so it's not too bad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmazex 3rd Gear June 20, 2017 Share June 20, 2017 As for whacking, you don't have to whack. Just drive one on a daily basis and tell me you won't sink time and again for the pulling power of forced induction from traffic lights, passing slo-mo traffic, etc. The very thing owners hope to achieve from a TC charged car, i.e. fuel economy, will be the first thing that slips from their fingers. Next to follow suit, will be reliability. This is not a slight on owners of such cars - they should indeed enjoy it...while it lasts! It depends on individual.i prefer the pull of NA. somehow it feels more natural to hit high rpm. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoldjaffa Hypersonic June 20, 2017 Share June 20, 2017 Not stereotyping...just plain old mechanics. Europeans have been placing small turbo units in smaller cc cars for much longer and the low trend for lack of durability is well established. These from established German and Swedish automakers such as Audi, VW and Volvo. Comparatively speaking, this is still something relatively new to the Japs and owners should expect premature costs to hit them. These include: oil leaks from the TC and blown gaskets and pistons, i.e. serious longevity problems. As for whacking, you don't have to whack. Just drive one on a daily basis and tell me you won't sink time and again for the pulling power of forced induction from traffic lights, passing slo-mo traffic, etc. The very thing owners hope to achieve from a TC charged car, i.e. fuel economy, will be the first thing that slips from their fingers. Next to follow suit, will be reliability. This is not a slight on owners of such cars - they should indeed enjoy it...while it lasts! I speak from experience here. Still... don't take my word for it. Just come back here in a couple years time to see if I'm right. P.S. By the way, the best small displacement engines to TC are not the puny petrol ones but rather the diesels. Petrol engines run hotter than diesels...and added with forced induction = more heat = laundry list of failures = escalating repair bills Respectfully I do not agree with some of your points but it's ok because we all have our own views but thanks for this good write-up. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_crl032 6th Gear June 20, 2017 Share June 20, 2017 (edited) Not sure if already shared ...harrier turbo price from BM will be available on Thursday and test drive will be 1-2 weeks thereafter. Cheers. Edited June 20, 2017 by richard_crl032 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vratenza Supersonic June 21, 2017 Share June 21, 2017 Sounds bad......lucky I sold off my Subaru turbo before any of those things you mentioned happened. Not stereotyping...just plain old mechanics. Europeans have been placing small turbo units in smaller cc cars for much longer and the low trend for lack of durability is well established. These from established German and Swedish automakers such as Audi, VW and Volvo. Comparatively speaking, this is still something relatively new to the Japs and owners should expect premature costs to hit them. These include: oil leaks from the TC and blown gaskets and pistons, i.e. serious longevity problems. As for whacking, you don't have to whack. Just drive one on a daily basis and tell me you won't sink time and again for the pulling power of forced induction from traffic lights, passing slo-mo traffic, etc. The very thing owners hope to achieve from a TC charged car, i.e. fuel economy, will be the first thing that slips from their fingers. Next to follow suit, will be reliability. This is not a slight on owners of such cars - they should indeed enjoy it...while it lasts! I speak from experience here. Still... don't take my word for it. Just come back here in a couple years time to see if I'm right. P.S. By the way, the best small displacement engines to TC are not the puny petrol ones but rather the diesels. Petrol engines run hotter than diesels...and added with forced induction = more heat = laundry list of failures = escalating repair bills 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earthboy 4th Gear June 21, 2017 Share June 21, 2017 sound like turbo is rocket science to the jap engineers. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jq1988 4th Gear June 21, 2017 Share June 21, 2017 Anyone installed stops Lam on harrier? Look convincing, thinking of it since last night but required some review from experience experts whom have installed such gadget. http://www.slamstop.com.sg/product.html http://www.sgcarmart.com/news/events_features.php?AID=3285&PN=1 Up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lala81 Hypersonic June 21, 2017 Share June 21, 2017 Wish there were so many options when i was changing my car back in Jan '15 lol. Harrier Turbo could have made me consider a SUV. Well even now, i think I would be satisfied in a Jade RS lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9xBrucie June 21, 2017 Share June 21, 2017 Nowadays got warranty like 3 or 5 years , so it's not too bad And like most things these days, expect the problems to occur just AFTER the warranty period expires! ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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