Ford Grand C-Max

[Spring]

From your photos, the 2nd row seat arrangement is very much like Mazda 5, iirc.

 

So how does it fair against your GT, in term of space? Thank you bro.

 

Its about the same.

 

3rd row is the thighs/knees almost up to the chest kind as low seating position and poor thigh support. To be fair all mid size MPVs face this problem.

2nd row is like 2 and a half seats unlike say Citroen Grand Picasso/Touran with 3 individual seats.

But this C Max has more flexibility than the GT in that the middle seat can be kept so can fit in long items protruding into the space left vacant when the middle seat is kept.

 

Definitely not suitable for your needs with elderly I'm afraid.

 

But overall not too bad and has moon roof. Understand they may bring in diesel later.

Maybe I'm abit biased but I feel diesel is a good choice for mid sized MPVs as the torque comes in quick and ideal for our roads. That said Parliament mentioned they will re-look at overall diesel emissions so possible bad news ahead. Sorry for digressing.

[Speedygonz]

Its about the same.

 

3rd row is the thighs/knees almost up to the chest kind as low seating position and poor thigh support. To be fair all mid size MPVs face this problem.

2nd row is like 2 and a half seats unlike say Citroen Grand Picasso/Touran with 3 individual seats.

But this C Max has more flexibility than the GT in that the middle seat can be kept so can fit in long items protruding into the space left vacant when the middle seat is kept.

 

Definitely not suitable for your needs with elderly I'm afraid.

 

But overall not too bad and has moon roof. Understand they may bring in diesel later.

Maybe I'm abit biased but I feel diesel is a good choice for mid sized MPVs as the torque comes in quick and ideal for our roads. That said Parliament mentioned they will re-look at overall diesel emissions so possible bad news ahead. Sorry for digressing.

 

Bro, can help do a comparison of the driver assistance features on both vehicles? This is my current understanding of the features. Is it accurate based on what you know?

• Adaptive Cruise Control: Available in Grand C-Max / Not available in 2GT
• Collision Warning: Available on both
• Autonomous Emergency Braking: Available in Grand C-Max / Not available in 2GT
• Lane Departure Warning: Not available for both?
• Blind Spot Detection: Not available for both?

Safety features are high on my criteria, so it might be a tie-breaker to help decide between either option. Thanks.

[Spring]

Bro, can help do a comparison of the driver assistance features on both vehicles? This is my current understanding of the features. Is it accurate based on what you know?

• Adaptive Cruise Control: Available in Grand C-Max / Not available in 2GT
• Collision Warning: Available on both
• Autonomous Emergency Braking: Available in Grand C-Max / Not available in 2GT
• Lane Departure Warning: Not available for both?
• Blind Spot Detection: Not available for both?

Safety features are high on my criteria, so it might be a tie-breaker to help decide between either option. Thanks.

 

For C Max, I only know they have adaptive CC, for the rest I'm not sure, sorry.

 

For 2GT, no adaptive CC only Limiter and also no blind spot detection.

 

Lane Departure have (steering wheel vibrates when you depart from your lane including if you change lanes without signaling, u can off it though).

 

Autonomous e brake is brake assist right? This 2GT has.

 

2GT has this Collision and Pedestrian Warning with City Braking function which I have personally encountered. if you too near the car in front, a red car warning will appear and it will beep if it senses collision. Similarly, a red man will appear if it's a pedestrian plus a beep as well again if collision sensed. Both situations brake assist will come in.

 

Hope this helps and good luck in your decision making. Suggest you try out both cars to decide and bring your family along. Do go for a longer test drive if necessary. Keep us informed!

[Speedygonz]

For C Max, I only know they have adaptive CC, for the rest I'm not sure, sorry.

 

For 2GT, no adaptive CC only Limiter and also no blind spot detection.

 

Lane Departure have (steering wheel vibrates when you depart from your lane including if you change lanes without signaling, u can off it though).

 

Autonomous e brake is brake assist right? This 2GT has.

 

2GT has this Collision and Pedestrian Warning with City Braking function which I have personally encountered. if you too near the car in front, a red car warning will appear and it will beep if it senses collision. Similarly, a red man will appear if it's a pedestrian plus a beep as well again if collision sensed. Both situations brake assist will come in.

 

Hope this helps and good luck in your decision making. Suggest you try out both cars to decide and bring your family along. Do go for a longer test drive if necessary. Keep us informed!

Thanks for your ever-prompt replies! Not too sure about the terminology but when you say brake assist, does it mean that the 2GT will brake on its own if it senses a possible collision? Or does it only prepare the brakes but still require the driver to initiate the braking?

 

I'm doing my research now to shortlist a few candidates and will hit the showrooms once I return to Singapore in June. Hopefully COE prices will drop further over the next two months!

[Spring]

Thanks for your ever-prompt replies! Not too sure about the terminology but when you say brake assist, does it mean that the 2GT will brake on its own if it senses a possible collision? Or does it only prepare the brakes but still require the driver to initiate the braking?

 

I'm doing my research now to shortlist a few candidates and will hit the showrooms once I return to Singapore in June. Hopefully COE prices will drop further over the next two months!

 

Welcome bro! I'm not sure if it brakes on its own cos in the few instances I encountered, I braked myself but do feel it assists. Personally I doubt if it can brake on its own but I wont be trying this haha.

 

Your timing is good cos most people expect COE will go down later this year so good you do your groundwork now.

[Aukang]

http://www.straitstimes.com/lifestyle/motoring/ford-c-max-gets-an-a

 

Many of you will have seen this review by now. Echoes the points that we've mentioned so far. Let's see whether the take-up rate for this model goes up after the positive review. Really hope that Regent Motors brings in the factory fitted leather seats instead of going for the local retrofit as an option.

Note the key phrase... "If you had earplugs on"....

I like the extra features and the turbo... But the AD lets the brand due to its lack of publicity and proactiveness and competitive pricing... I think it can give bread and butter mpvs a good run for the $

[teomingern]

From what I understand, brake assist is simply the car helping you to brake harder when you didn't step on the brake hard enough. That's measured by the speed and how quickly the car sheds speed and so the braking mechanism senses that hard braking is required applies harder braking to the limit of grip before the tires lose adhesion. This is different from autonomous braking where the car uses a radar system to detect an imminent collision and then applies the brakes when it detects that the driver is not applying the brakes. It brakes independently from the driver's input, while brake assist applies the brakes harder when the driver has already applied the brakes but not sufficient.

[7hm]

From what I understand, brake assist is simply the car helping you to brake harder when you didn't step on the brake hard enough. That's measured by the speed and how quickly the car sheds speed and so the braking mechanism senses that hard braking is required applies harder braking to the limit of grip before the tires lose adhesion. This is different from autonomous braking where the car uses a radar system to detect an imminent collision and then applies the brakes when it detects that the driver is not applying the brakes. It brakes independently from the driver's input, while brake assist applies the brakes harder when the driver has already applied the brakes but not sufficient.

 

What you understand is correct, Brake Assist (sometimes also called EBA) uses a variety of data to pre-charge the brakes or increase brake force when it detects certain conditions such as a very sharp, hard press of the brakes.

 

Autonomous braking doesn't necessarily use a radar sensor though, some models use a camera based system or LIDAR. Ford's pre-collision assist system is a radar and camera combo system, while Ford's Active City Stop (not equipped in this case) is a LIDAR system and is thus similar to Volvo's City Safety, if not the same system (remember, Ford used to own Volvo).

 

 

Ignoring all the details though:

Forward Collision Warning: Car warns of imminent collision, but does not apply the brakes on its own.

Active Braking, Collision Mitigation, Collision Prevention, Autonomous Emergency Braking, etc.: Car will apply the brakes if it senses an imminent forward collision.

 

Ford's official name for their system is Pre-Collision Assist with Active Braking, and it is as previously mentioned, a radar+camera system that monitors distance, warns of imminent collision or dangerous following distance and, if the driver fails to react in time, applies maximum braking force to reduce collision severity or avoid it entirely.

[teomingern]

Clap clap clap... well done! Good explanation... does this also come with Rear Cross Traffic Alert? I was so surprised that my Sonata VIII came with it and the SE didn't even know... hahaha...

[7hm]

Clap clap clap... well done! Good explanation... does this also come with Rear Cross Traffic Alert? I was so surprised that my Sonata VIII came with it and the SE didn't even know... hahaha...

 

I haven't been keeping up with your journey, you went with Sonata VIII in the end? Congrats!

 

If Grand C-Max hasn't got BLIS, then it does not have Cross Traffic Alert, which is a part of Ford's BLIS system.

 

 

On my particular Mondeo with BLIS however, it seems it doesn't have Cross Traffic Alert. Furthermore, my BLIS system seems to be a bit different, it seems to be a reduced functionality version - it doesn't appear to operate at very low speed as well, whereas the Europe manual seems to specify CTA as a standard feature with BLIS and that BLIS should be always operating at any speeds, including when stopped.

At the same time, I have encountered few situations where I would be warned by Cross Traffic Alert - in Singapore we are parking head out most of the time, after all. And to be honest I usually don't look at the outer mirrors in such situations (usually use reverse cam or look over shoulder).

Perhaps should set up an experiment...

Edited April 14, 2016 by 7hm

[Mkl22]

I see. At least not so bad. Nowadays, cars with fabric seats just bring the whole interior one notch down imho.

 

not for me. prefer factory fabric seats anytime. local leather fitting is crap.and the "leather" they give you is poor quality.

[teomingern]

I haven't been keeping up with your journey, you went with Sonata VIII in the end? Congrats!

 

If Grand C-Max hasn't got BLIS, then it does not have Cross Traffic Alert, which is a part of Ford's BLIS system.

 

 

On my particular Mondeo with BLIS however, it seems it doesn't have Cross Traffic Alert. Furthermore, my BLIS system seems to be a bit different, it seems to be a reduced functionality version - it doesn't appear to operate at very low speed as well, whereas the Europe manual seems to specify CTA as a standard feature with BLIS and that BLIS should be always operating at any speeds, including when stopped.

At the same time, I have encountered few situations where I would be warned by Cross Traffic Alert - in Singapore we are parking head out most of the time, after all. And to be honest I usually don't look at the outer mirrors in such situations (usually use reverse cam or look over shoulder).

Perhaps should set up an experiment...

I'm the complete reverse of most drivers... I park head in... and so it's super useful.

 

Yes I went with the Sonata VIII in the end... couldn't justify the extra $13-14K...

[Spring]

I'm the complete reverse of most drivers... I park head in... and so it's super useful.

 

 

These days, the front of cars are low possibly for aerodynamic reasons. Hence, not wise to park head in cos with higher kerbs, strong possibility of scratching your front bumpers and worse still if you lowered your ride. Anyway, it's safer when you come out from the lot if you reverse in rather than head in cos pillars can obstruct your vision, my 2 cents.

[7hm]

I'm the complete reverse of most drivers... I park head in... and so it's super useful.

 

I used to wonder why people don't just nose in when I was younger, but now that I actually have to do it, I find it much easier to go in backwards due to the fact that you pivot around the front wheels.

 

[7hm]

These days, the front of cars are low possibly for aerodynamic reasons. Hence, not wise to park head in cos with higher kerbs, strong possibility of scratching your front bumpers and worse still if you lowered your ride.

 

yeah... my front end is definitely lower than the back, if I were to park head in at a lot of places, the car will have to stick out a bit so the front bumper don't touch the kerb.

Backside in, at least the higher back can hang over the kerb a bit.

Doesn't help that there are some sort of stiff mudguards just in front of my front wheels that are under the bumper.

 

[teomingern]

My Sonata's front bumper lip isn't that low. Can easily clear the kerbs. I prefer to head in cos easier access to the boot. It's quite silly I feel to reverse in and then have to contort youself to access the boot especially in a HDB MSCP...

[WeiYangMok]

late reply... sorry

full tank is 70l. 

if talking about 95% highway (msia) around 15.7km/l

if talking about singapore usage, around 11.5km/l

but very torquey engine and super fun in the 80-150km/h range to overtake car really is a breeze

 

@weiyangmok so typically how many km per litres of diesel?

Today i saw advert for opel zafira tourer 119800 and chevrolet orlando 99800 really kind of swung my looks over to them too.

 

[Speedygonz]

Looks like this model isn't selling well after all. Only 5 Ford MPV/Stationwagons sold in March and 4 sold in April. In comparison, BMW is selling truckloads of the 2GT, 59 MPV/Stationwagons in March and 88 in April.

 

Source:https://www.lta.gov.sg/content/dam/ltaweb/corp/PublicationsResearch/files/FactsandFigures/M03-Car_Regn_by_make.pdf

Edited May 12, 2016 by Speedygonz