Near accident with cyclist 16dec 2015

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Talk & talk also no use liao

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/new-pcn-crossings-make-cycling-walking-safer

 

 

The Government has taken another small step towards relegating cars to the back seat. At park connectors, it has begun building road crossings that prioritise cyclists and pedestrians over motorists.

Along a stretch of the Sims Avenue Park Connector beside Kembangan MRT station, for instance, five of these raised road crossings have been built in the past two months.

"The raised platform will require motorists to slow down as they approach the crossing, while allowing cyclists and pedestrians to cross the road without the need to step down from the pavements," said the Land Transport Authority and National Parks Board in a joint statement. But the new paths are not zebra crossings, which cede complete right of way to pedestrians.

They have also been built along the Park Connector Network (PCN) in Tampines and Alexandra, and will likely feature in the 20km cycling network to be built in Ang Mo Kio by 2018. The PCN spans 300km of cycling and jogging paths, spread out over five loops islandwide.

These "continuous sidewalks" - so-called because they do not require cyclists to get off a kerb to cross a road - are marked with bold yellow markings and have rumble strips leading up to them.

It was one of 10 suggestions mooted in an active mobility study done by government think-tank Centre for Liveable Cities and United States-based research body Urban Land Institute last year.

The study said the crossings "prioritise the right of way for pedestrians or cyclists at minor intersections and slip lanes, allowing for greater continuity of movement".

This is not the first idea from the study to be taken on board. Other ideas adopted include narrowing road lanes to slow down traffic.

Kembangan residents say the new feature has deterred speedsters. "Sometimes, cars just turn and speed in. Now, I notice they are more cautious," said civil servant Mary Tan, 50, who brisk-walks on the park connector daily.

Domestic worker Eli Widiyawati, 28, who cycles twice weekly along the park connector to get to the nearby market, agrees. "It's very convenient - we don't have to get off the bike to cross the road now."

But some motorists feel the new crossings might create confusion. "If the idea is to give pedestrians right of way, then they should make it a zebra crossing. Now, it's a bit of a grey area," said cabby Ng Kok Chye, 49.

Still, experts said the new crossings make road junctions safer.

Mr Francis Chu, co-founder of cycling group LoveCyclingSG, said road junctions are potential conflict zones and accidents often happen because users do not have time to react to the unexpected. "In that sense, this gives all users more time to negotiate this conflict zone."

Dr Alexander Erath, a transport researcher at the Singapore-ETH Future Cities Laboratory, believes measures like this provide more direct connections for cyclists and pedestrians, adding that people spend considerable travelling time walking or waiting for public transport.

"There is huge potential to improve conditions," he said. "This is one clear policy measure that brings us in this direction."

[Weez911]

Errr...your later scenario is why you buy insurance.

 

There's this very strange concept called "own damage" claim.

 

There's even a number of insurers that don't ding your NCB if you are not at fault

Errr, the former scenario leh?

 

That's very selective reply.

[Darryn]

But still there is an excess owner need to pay.

 

No free lunch where insurance is concerned.

 

Frankly i have never heard of ncd not affected in a self claim, furtherr more there will be a loading in the following year premium if a self cliam is made.

Have you asked? I have.

I have got it in writing from 2 different insurance companies that no fault means no penalty.

Don't make decisions on hearsay and assumption. Go and check.

 

In any case, I'd be willing to bet that the cost of damage by bicycles in an entire year is still less than a single day of damage caused by car hit and run.

 

That doesn't mean it's not a problem, but rather that you have to think whether or not the solution is worth it on cost benefit analysis.

Disagree with this. Cyclist shd be registered and insured. If cyclist bangs onto a pedestrian and cost a slipped disc that need 20k to operate, if no insurer and cyclist is poor, how?

 

Or if cyclist bang onto my side mirror or headlight. Who pays if no insurer?

 

I can sue the cyclist, but what's the point if he cannot pay?

Cycling on footpath already illegal. So what difference would insurance make?

[Weez911]

Have you asked? I have.

I have got it in writing from 2 different insurance companies that no fault means no penalty.

Don't make decisions on hearsay and assumption. Go and check.

 

In any case, I'd be willing to bet that the cost of damage by bicycles in an entire year is still less than a single day of damage caused by car hit and run.

 

That doesn't mean it's not a problem, but rather that you have to think whether or not the solution is worth it on cost benefit analysis.

Cycling on footpath already illegal. So what difference would insurance make?

I'm referring to human beings crossing traffic light and zebra crossing. Have you not seen any clips of cyclists running red lights?

 

And this: There's this very strange concept called "own damage" claim. 

 

Is there a need to be so sarcastic in a forum? Can we not talk normally?

Edited December 19, 2015 by Weez911

[Hamburger]

Have you asked? I have.

I have got it in writing from 2 different insurance companies that no fault means no penalty.

Don't make decisions on hearsay and assumption. Go and check.

 

In any case, I'd be willing to bet that the cost of damage by bicycles in an entire year is still less than a single day of damage caused by car hit and run.

 

That doesn't mean it's not a problem, but rather that you have to think whether or not the solution is worth it on cost benefit analysis.

Cycling on footpath already illegal. So what difference would insurance make?

No penalty and also loading on following year premium?

 

No free lunch like i say and dont make it sound like insurance  is there to take care of eveything. Everything comes with a price.

[Darryn]

Here's a plan.

Increase road tax by 5%

Pay this into two things.

1. A no fault insurance scheme for damage caused by bikes.

2. Give a FREE bike to anyone that passes a basic skills and road literacy test. Cost of test is $30.

No penalty and also loading on following year premium?

 

No free lunch like i say and dont make it sound like insurance is there to take care of eveything. Everything comes with a price.

Like I say. Have you asked?

Go and check.

[Mercury1]

Just sharing an encounter.

 

While driving in my neighborhood just rounded a blind spot and there was this (I believe PRC?) mum was walking on the road with 2 kids both on scooters. One of the kids was scooting in the middle of the road. (Not sure why no one likes to use the perfectly large pavement opposite.)

 

Luckily I was take the corner slow so had lots of time to go around them safely but sometimes I wonder what goes on in the parents mind to expose their kids to such dangers. Most of the cars in the estate usually take that blind spot at 40/50 kmh

[Darryn]

I'm referring to human beings crossing traffic light and zebra crossing. Have you not seen any clips of cyclists running red lights?

 

And this: There's this very strange concept called "own damage" claim.

 

Is there a need to be so sarcastic in a forum? Can we not talk normally?

This is how I talk.

I am actually being politer than normal...didn't toss in any pejoratives

 

(Fir the less informed, that's an insult)

[Weez911]

No penalty and also loading on following year premium?

 

No free lunch like i say and dont make it sound like insurance is there to take care of eveything. Everything comes with a price.

From what I understand, I think he meant motorist to pay for cyclist insurance and free bike. Motorist to pay for next year premium pool increase. Cyclists don't need to pay anything.

This is how I talk.

I am actually being politer than normal...didn't toss in any pejoratives

 

(Fir the less informed, that's an insult)

Does it mean that I swear all the time in life, I can swear all the time here too?

[Darryn]

Just sharing an encounter.

 

While driving in my neighborhood just rounded a blind spot and there was this (I believe PRC?) mum was walking on the road with 2 kids both on scooters. One of the kids was scooting in the middle of the road. (Not sure why no one likes to use the perfectly large pavement opposite.)

 

Luckily I was take the corner slow so had lots of time to go around them safely but sometimes I wonder what goes on in the parents mind to expose their kids to such dangers. Most of the cars in the estate usually take that blind spot at 40/50 kmh

Good job on stopping.

 

The basic rule of driving on a two lane road is that you should be able to stop in half the distance visible to you.

 

What's more, on a surface road you should expect kids and strollers. Idiocy knows no bounds.

From what I understand, I think he meant motorist to pay for cyclist insurance and free bike. Motorist to pay for next year premium pool increase. Cyclists don't need to pay anything.

 

Does it mean that I swear all the time in life, I can swear all the time here too?

Sometimes it's better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than to open mouth and remove all doubt.

 

Who's swearing?

[Weez911]

Good job on stopping.

 

The basic rule of driving on a two lane road is that you should be able to stop in half the distance visible to you.

 

What's more, on a surface road you should expect kids and strollers. Idiocy knows no bounds.

Sometimes it's better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than to open mouth and remove all doubt.

 

Who's swearing?

That's below the belt.

[Darryn]

That's below the belt.

Well I am a sharp shooter. ;-)

[Weez911]

Well I am a sharp shooter. ;-)

Then try to shoot my statement instead of making it so personal. Try.

[Darryn]

Then try to shoot my statement instead of making it so personal. Try.

Dude...lighten up. It's a Saturday.

Any, it's obvious we ain't gonna see eye to eye.

 

It's possible to lead a horse to water but sometimes he refuses to drink.

[Weez911]

Dude...lighten up. It's a Saturday.

Any, it's obvious we ain't gonna see eye to eye.

 

It's possible to lead a horse to water but sometimes he refuses to drink.

Nice work there. Rile up people, solicit response, then say relax.

 

We don't have to agree with each other. Just no personal attack ya?

[Darryn]

Nice work there. Rile up people, solicit response, then say relax.

 

We don't have to agree with each other. Just no personal attack ya?

Dude, if you call that a personal attack you are way to sensitive for a forum.

Don't be such a precious little flower.

[Weez911]

Dude, if you call that a personal attack you are way to sensitive for a forum.

Don't be such a precious little flower.

I quote again: "Sometimes it's better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than to open mouth and remove all doubt."

 

This was your direct reply to me, with my quotes enclosed in your post.

 

That's a very personal statement. I appreciate this is a forum, but I don't see others making such statement.

 

That reminded me of a class bully who hit a classmate because he didn't know how to react when someone called him fat.

 

Maybe a kind moderator can clarify what is acceptable posting behaviour.

Edited December 19, 2015 by Weez911

[Darryn]

Like I say.....If that's all it takes to offend. This is the wrong place. You wouldn't happen to be strawberry generation?

Heee....acceptable posting behaviour? You just went from sensitive to whiney