Near accident with cyclist 16dec 2015

[Weez911]

This is a very selective reading

 

Slower vehicles are expected to keep as far left as practicable - but there are so many exceptions that to say cycles can only cycle on the left lane is a bit silly. 

That's why I came to a forum like this to ask. Fair enough?

 

So far I think I only hear from the cyclists' angle.

[Taipan49]

Everywhere in internet doesn't means it is the law mah. A law is something that has to be passed in parliament. I think Lui Tuck Yew said in 2012 that this 1.5m thing is not passed in Singapore because he has seen statistics regarding designating 1.5m space will cause more accidents due to false sense of security. Again, you can send an email to LTA to ask them why so, if you wish to pursue.

 

It was more of the case of do the research yourself.  There is plenty of information out there and tools to get it.

[Nzy]

https://youtu.be/xTm6asKKhtI

 

Will there one day be fines for cyclists who ignore road rules?

 

There is already. Just that no enforcement. However, just a few days back, I saw a cyclist get stopped by TP. He never stop at red light. Dunno got fined or not.

That's why I came to a forum like this to ask. Fair enough?

 

So far I think I only hear from the cyclists' angle.

 

So you looking for opinions or facts? Whether it is a cyclist or a driver that answers your question, it will be the same cuz that is a fact. Unless you are asking about whether drivers agree that cyclists should turn right using the right turn lane or keep left at all times.

[Weez911]

So you looking for opinions or facts? Whether it is a cyclist or a driver that answers your question, it will be the same cuz that is a fact. Unless you are asking about whether drivers agree that cyclists should turn right using the right turn lane or keep left at all times.

I was hoping a lawyer can answer my questions. To be specific, I'm looking for lawyer's opinion on the laws. I'm sure there are lawyers lurking here.

Edited December 18, 2015 by Weez911

[Taipan49]

I was hoping a lawyer can answer my questions. To be specific, I'm looking for lawyer's opinion on the laws. I'm sure there are lawyers lurking here.

 

Why a lawyer?  You had an incident?  Or you want to know how close you can pass cyclists? 

[Darryn]

Cite 1:

 

This painted line would serve as a visual guide for motorists on the 1.5m clearance they must give when passing cyclists

(from Transport minister quote) 

 

Cite 2

 

 

Additionally, the highway code says that cars must leave a 1.5 metre gap when passing cyclists, (from Yawning Bread - I can't find this provision in the highway code) 

 

Contrary Cite 3

 

 

But LTA said such markings could give cyclists a 'false sense of security'. Traffic Police said a 1.5m gap is a guide which drivers might not always be able to keep to.  

 

here is the highway code - I can't find anything in it about a 1.5m gap

 

 

[Weez911]

Why a lawyer?  You had an incident?  Or you want to know how close you can pass cyclists? 

 

Ok here is the sequence of events:

 

1) Bro @flashbang believes the law says you need to give 1.5m space when passing a cyclist.

 

2) I ask @flashbang is there a local law that prescribes 1.5m space when overtaking a cyclist.

 

3) Then bro @Taipan49 said there is a really good website called google. I can type in stuff that I wish to know more about. Worth trying.

 

4) I said I tried but cannot find. I apologise to you for wasting your time. Appreciate your help to provide quotes.

 

5) Bro @Taipan49 then said it's more of the case of do the research myself. There is plenty of information out there and tools to get it.

 

6) I'm still trying to figure how to reply to a post like (5), since I have already done (4). I have also apologised in (4) for wasting his time, and ask him to provide the law.

Edited December 18, 2015 by Weez911

[flashbang]

Whether 1.5m is a law or not, I don't know. But I know if I pass the cyclist and I knock him down, there's going to be a huge problem created. So for me, I try my best to give as much space as possible to the cyclist. If next lane is clear, I will move out at least half a lane. If occupied then I judge if the cyclist is zai or not. If cycling in a straight line and not zig zagging, then I move a bit to the right and go by steadily. If not zai, I won't pass until the next lane is clear for me to move over.

Ok here is the sequence of events:

 

1) Bro @flashbang believes the law says you need to give 1.5m space when passing a cyclist.

 

2) I ask @flashbang is there a local law that prescribes 1.5m space when overtaking a cyclist.

 

3) Then bro @Taipan49 said there is a really good website called google. I can type in stuff that I wish to know more about. Worth trying.

 

4) I said I tried but cannot find. I apologise to you for wasting your time. Appreciate your help to provide quotes.

 

5) Bro @Taipan49 then said it's more of the case of do the research myself. There is plenty of information out there and tools to get it.

 

6) I'm still trying to figure how to reply to a post like (5), since I have already done (4). I have also apologised in (4) for wasting his time, and ask him to provide the law.

If so hard to find, then maybe there is no law after all and I must have remembered wrongly.

 

Look at it this way, you give clearance or not, if you knock the cyclist down, tai ji liao liao. But if you give clearance, higher chance you won't knock him down. Just like buy Toto, higher chance to win, who don't want?

[Weez911]

If so hard to find, then maybe there is no law after all and I must have remembered wrongly.

 

Look at it this way, you give clearance or not, if you knock the cyclist down, tai ji liao liao. But if you give clearance, higher chance you won't knock him down. Just like buy Toto, higher chance to win, who don't want?

 

Bro, I'm not trying to advocate riding close to cyclist or knock them down.

 

Just clarifying the law.

[1fast1]

"The idiot lived" says the video description.

 

If he were alive, Darwin would've disliked the video because of its ending.

[Taipan49]

Bro, I'm not trying to advocate riding close to cyclist or knock them down.

 

Just clarifying the law.

 

Why do you need to clarify?  Puzzled by your motives.  If you are on the road and you are passing someone, regardless whether they are a cyclist, motorbike, car, truck, you should only do so if it is safe for both parties.  The 1.5m "rule" is to assist or act as a guide.  It is 1m for motorbikes.

[Beehive3783]

No way, TP would still slap some charges on him, even if we all know it's not his fault if he ran over that arsehole.

 

 

Wouldn't have been your fault if you ran him over.

 

[Weez911]

Why do you need to clarify? Puzzled by your motives. If you are on the road and you are passing someone, regardless whether they are a cyclist, motorbike, car, truck, you should only do so if it is safe for both parties. The 1.5m "rule" is to assist or act as a guide. It is 1m for motorbikes.

There is no 1.5m regulation to begin with. This is a fact.

[Furrynadz]

wasted

should have a chinaman driving cement truck and run that slut over

[inlinesix]

If bicycle wants to be on public roads , should have some ID plate registered under the owner's name .  Can't understand why they are allowed to get away breaking traffic rules without consequences .

 

Dun want to register your bike , then stay out of public roads .

 

Currently, lorry is lurking on lane 2 & 3.  Anyone enforce any law or not?

 

What makes u think that ID plate for bicycle gonna make things better?

 

Lastly, don't sent any video of offending vehicles.  Otherwise, u are a snitch.

 

[Hubwee]

Currently, lorry is lurking on lane 2 & 3.  Anyone enforce any law or not?

 

What makes u think that ID plate for bicycle gonna make things better?

 

Lastly, don't sent any video of offending vehicles.  Otherwise, u are a snitch

 

That is up to the authorities to decide how strictly they wants to enforce it .

 

Whether it will make things better or not , I do not know but at least the authorities will be able to enforce it if they wants to .

 

Would think that if cyclists knows that they can be ID via plates registered under their names , will see a lot of improved behaviors from cyclists with regards to traffic rules . Most now knows that they can get away with it , cos there is no ways to ID them .

 

Got no problems with cyclists on public roads but why are cars / lorries or bikes all registered but not bicycles ..  

[Taipan49]

That is up to the authorities to decide how strictly they wants to enforce it .

 

Whether it will make things better or not , I do not know but at least the authorities will be able to enforce it if they wants to .

 

Would think that if cyclists knows that they can be ID via plates registered under their names , will see a lot of improved behaviors from cyclists with regards to traffic rules . Most now knows that they can get away with it , cos there is no ways to ID them .

 

Got no problems with cyclists on public roads but why are cars / lorries or bikes all registered but not bicycles ..  

 

The administrative costs would be significantly high.  Plus you are hitting a lot of low income workers too who don't really have too many transport options, do we want to burden a vulnerable income group even more? 

[inlinesix]

That is up to the authorities to decide how strictly they wants to enforce it .

 

Whether it will make things better or not , I do not know but at least the authorities will be able to enforce it if they wants to .

 

Would think that if cyclists knows that they can be ID via plates registered under their names , will see a lot of improved behaviors from cyclists with regards to traffic rules . Most now knows that they can get away with it , cos there is no ways to ID them .

 

Got no problems with cyclists on public roads but why are cars / lorries or bikes all registered but not bicycles ..  

 

W/o ID plate authorities also can enforce, what's stopping them?

 

Do you think drivers behave better than cyclist?