Near accident with cyclist 16dec 2015

[inlinesix]

i remember about 40+++ years back when I got my first bicycle (a chopper which was the rage then)i had to bring it to Middle Road for stamping and registering with a red disc and numbers have to match of course ;  if they can do it back then for all bikes ridden on roads, I'm sure they can do it now too and it makes the rider a little more responsible and curb thefts too at the same time ; Registering bikes - Its something our Govt is very good at  ; When and why they stopped doing it - I don't really know and cannot remember; but nowadays with so many road bikes (made of carbon fibre and light weight- maybe they can come up with lasering) but the poor foreign construction or low income workers plight must be addressed too as its the weekend warriors in leotards - I'm more scared of, actually on a Saturday/Sunday morning  

   

I'm sure with the number of e-bikes swarming the roads nowadays (those illegal ones especially) ; they have to do something

 

Cheng Hu already said that it is administratively cumbersome to register bike.

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/cars-cars-204/why-cyclists-do-not-pay-road-tax-4189496.html

 

Some ppl says leotard is scary.

 

Some ppl says foreign contruction worker is scary.

 

How come i nvr meet both?

[Imac]

i remember about 40+++ years back when I got my first bicycle (a chopper which was the rage then)i had to bring it to Middle Road for stamping and registering with a red disc and numbers have to match of course ;  if they can do it back then for all bikes ridden on roads, I'm sure they can do it now too and it makes the rider a little more responsible and curb thefts too at the same time ; Registering bikes - Its something our Govt is very good at  ; When and why they stopped doing it - I don't really know and cannot remember; but nowadays with so many road bikes (made of carbon fibre and light weight- maybe they can come up with lasering) but the poor foreign construction or low income workers plight must be addressed too as its the weekend warriors in leotards - I'm more scared of, actually on a Saturday/Sunday morning  

   

I'm sure with the number of e-bikes swarming the roads nowadays (those illegal ones especially) ; they have to do something

 

Yes...I think it is good to register all bicycle.

 

I am a cyclist, I don't mind paying road tax and ERP if we are allow to cycle at expressway.

[Weez911]

Errr...

 

the transport minister himself has said that motorists "must" give a 1.5 m gap, that they are "required" to do so.....

 

As to whether the 1.5 gap is specifically mentioned in law, or whether it is covered under the "catch all" of inconsiderate driving (or similar) may well be a different matter,  but thinking it is law hardly rises to a "shocking level of ignorance" 

 

Do you understand the concept of law making in Singapore? Are you a local?

 

Do we need to assign a secretary to every minister, even in their sleep, to minute everything they say in case we miss out on important laws? Shall we do the same to every minister-of-state and perm secretary too?

[Darryn]

i remember about 40+++ years back when I got my first bicycle (a chopper which was the rage then)i had to bring it to Middle Road for stamping and registering with a red disc and numbers have to match of course ;  if they can do it back then for all bikes ridden on roads, I'm sure they can do it now too and it makes the rider a little more responsible and curb thefts too at the same time ; Registering bikes - Its something our Govt is very good at  ; When and why they stopped doing it - I don't really know and cannot remember; but nowadays with so many road bikes (made of carbon fibre and light weight- maybe they can come up with lasering) but the poor foreign construction or low income workers plight must be addressed too as its the weekend warriors in leotards - I'm more scared of, actually on a Saturday/Sunday morning  

   

I'm sure with the number of e-bikes swarming the roads nowadays (those illegal ones especially) ; they have to do something

I don't think it's a case of "technical infeasability" - more a case of "economically (and socially) more costly than it's worth" 

 

In other words, I think it CAN be done, but that it simply would be more costly to implement than any benefit obtained - which of course is a judgement call that is difficult to either prove or refute

[Hamburger]

Yeah - I understand what you are saying, 

And I am telling you it is directly contradicted by what DirectAsia said and by what GIA recommends - 

 

If you are less than 20% at fault, your NCB is not affected - whether claim self damage or third party or whatever does not make any difference to this. 

Anyway - I would like to see this written in LAW - because I know that some insurance companies do not follow

 

given this senario: You parked your car and it was damaged by foreign object, be it cars, bicycle or birds that flew by and knocked into the fenders and car was damaged.

 

if you do a self claim, you can straight away kiss the 30% NCD good bye.

[Darryn]

Do you understand the concept of law making in Singapore? Are you a local?

 

Do we need to assign a secretary to every minister, even in their sleep, to minute everything they say in case we miss out on important laws? Shall we do the same to every minister-of-state and perm secretary too?

What are you talking about?  

 

I have provided a cite for you directly from the minister, where he made a speech.  What does that have to do with minuting everything that he says?  

 

There are many things that are illegal that are not specifically written down in the law. 

 

For example - if I punch you in the nose, I would be charged with assault right?  

 

I bet you can't find any law that says "you are not allowed to punch someone in the nose"  - it is captured under the more general wording of assault 

 

Similarly, if the Traffic Police consider it an offence (whether dangerous driving, failure to keep a proper lookout, driving without due care or whatever else) to pass within 1.5m of a cyclist, then I wouldn't think you'd have much luck disputing that in court.  Of course, you would be welcome to try - and if you can present evidence you may even win your case. 

 

For many laws, there are "regulations" that go with it - they are not written into the law, but they have the weight of the law behind them. 

 

Here's the thing though

1. It is dangerous to pass within 1.5 of a cyclist - it does put the cyclist at risk

2. The minister has said it is "not allowed" 

[Nzy]

i remember about 40+++ years back when I got my first bicycle (a chopper which was the rage then)i had to bring it to Middle Road for stamping and registering with a red disc and numbers have to match of course ;  if they can do it back then for all bikes ridden on roads, I'm sure they can do it now too and it makes the rider a little more responsible and curb thefts too at the same time ; Registering bikes - Its something our Govt is very good at  ; When and why they stopped doing it - I don't really know and cannot remember; but nowadays with so many road bikes (made of carbon fibre and light weight- maybe they can come up with lasering) but the poor foreign construction or low income workers plight must be addressed too as its the weekend warriors in leotards - I'm more scared of, actually on a Saturday/Sunday morning  

   

I'm sure with the number of e-bikes swarming the roads nowadays (those illegal ones especially) ; they have to do something

 

That is what I am trying to say. At the moment, the number of cyclists as a percentage of road users is very small. Not worth the effort for them to register the bikes. In the 1960s, they had to register bicycles because that was the main mode of transport. there were like 4-5 times more bicycles than any other vehicles on the roads, so it definitely makes sense to register bicycles cuz most incidents involve bicycles. Now, it is worth their effort? The reason the scrapped the registration of bicycles in 1981, is because there were lesser and lesser bicycles on the roads and it isn't worth the effort anymore cuz it is too troublesome.

 

Why are you scared of the recreational cyclists who ride on the roads? Most of them drive and know the rules. They might run red light and do other illegal stuff, but most are quite predictable. I think most drivers don't like these recreational cyclists in lycra mainly because they are impatient and don't feel cyclists belong the roads. When I drive, I am more afraid of those foreign construction workers and aunties/uncles cuz they are more unpredictable.

[Darryn]

given this senario: You parked your car and it was damaged by foreign object, be it cars, bicycle or birds that flew by and knocked into the fenders and car was damaged.

 

if you do a self claim, you can straight away kiss the 30% NCD good bye.

This I am not going to argue - for number one, it is a totally different scenario than being involved in an accident with a bicycle, 

and for number two, I am not very sure, and I can't be bothered going and doing enough research to find a definitive answer. 

[BanCoe]

Cheng Hu already said that it is administratively cumbersome to register bike.

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/cars-cars-204/why-cyclists-do-not-pay-road-tax-4189496.html

 

Some ppl says leotard is scary.

 

Some ppl says foreign contruction worker is scary.

 

How come i nvr meet both?

Bro your area very atas atas   maybe (sentosa) but my area in the East can see heaps (leotarders) of them ; of course they  (group of 3-4) maybe on the way to the ECP to join bigger groups and they travel at break neck speeds early morning hours like 6am - and frankly the foreign workers are like "jalan jalan - sing your way home" type on way back home at night but I can sort of put up with them     

[Nzy]

aiyo...sibei loso.

 

what i am saying is, if you do a self claim no matter what the nature, accident or no accident, the NCD will be reduced by 30%.

 

That is why many would choose to pay from their pocket rather than self claim.

 

given this senario: You parked your car and it was damaged by foreign object, be it cars, bicycle or birds that flew by and knocked into the fenders and car was damaged.

 

if you do a self claim, you can straight away kiss the 30% NCD good bye.

 

Which company are you with? Try NTUC. I was hit by a hit-and-run driver. Camera never managed to get the license plate. Claimed own damage. NCD and premium not affected. At first they said will be affected though. But after some negotiation with them then they agree it is not my fault. But that is many years ago in 2008. Now all my cars under third-party coverage only.

[inlinesix]

Bro your area very atas atas   maybe (sentosa) but my area in the East can see heaps (leotarders) of them ; of course they  (group of 3-4) maybe on the way to the ECP to join bigger groups and they travel at break neck speeds early morning hours like 6am - and frankly the foreign workers are like "jalan jalan - sing your way home" type on way back home at night but I can sort of put up with them     

 

I stays around Upper Boon Keng Road.  I wish i stays in Sentosa.

 

A group of 3 - 4 should be easy to overtake right?

[Nzy]

This I am not going to argue - for number one, it is a totally different scenario than being involved in an accident with a bicycle, 

and for number two, I am not very sure, and I can't be bothered going and doing enough research to find a definitive answer. 

 

I think need to negotiate with them. That's my experience. They will always by default say NCD gone once you claim your own policy.

[Weez911]

What are you talking about?  

 

I have provided a cite for you directly from the minister, where he made a speech.  What does that have to do with minuting everything that he says?  

 

There are many things that are illegal that are not specifically written down in the law. 

 

For example - if I punch you in the nose, I would be charged with assault right?  

 

I bet you can't find any law that says "you are not allowed to punch someone in the nose"  - it is captured under the more general wording of assault 

 

Similarly, if the Traffic Police consider it an offence (whether dangerous driving, failure to keep a proper lookout, driving without due care or whatever else) to pass within 1.5m of a cyclist, then I wouldn't think you'd have much luck disputing that in court.  Of course, you would be welcome to try - and if you can present evidence you may even win your case. 

 

For many laws, there are "regulations" that go with it - they are not written into the law, but they have the weight of the law behind them. 

 

Here's the thing though

1. It is dangerous to pass within 1.5 of a cyclist - it does put the cyclist at risk

2. The minister has said it is "not allowed" 

You still do not get it. The minister can say something, and I can still do it in this face if what he says is not enacted. He cannot do anything to me.

 

In terms of general law you quoted, someone has to test it. Someone has to punch first, and then this general law has to be contested by both prosecuter/lawyers in court, and up to the judge to issue a verdict. Not happy, the appeal process will lead to 3 more senior judges. That will then set a precedence for future cases to make reference to.

 

You do not know anything. Nothing.

[Kb27]

Have you ever been to Copenhagen?  Rated as the most liveable city in the world, and bike usage rates are the highest too. 

 

 

Yes, I've been to Copenhagen and Malmo.

It was a long time ago.

I remember the bus service around the city was free, even for us tourists.

 

Danish people and culture are different.

 

Have you been to Beijing ?

 

Although the roads are now filled with cars, the rest are cyclists and it's a mayhem trying to cross a road without getting entangled with them.

[BanCoe]

Bro no need to go until ERP or road tax; there are many people in the low income bracket whom we cannot just side step  

 

How to draw is an equilibrium , maybe go by OMV...... hee hee hee

 

 

 

 

Yes...I think it is good to register all bicycle.

 

I am a cyclist, I don't mind paying road tax and ERP if we are allow to cycle at expressway.

 

[Weez911]

This I am not going to argue - for number one, it is a totally different scenario than being involved in an accident with a bicycle, 

and for number two, I am not very sure, and I can't be bothered going and doing enough research to find a definitive answer. 

 

Why are you arguing so hard on something you are not very sure. This affirms my previous posting that you know nuts.

[flashbang]

By the way, there is something known as the Bicycle Security Label that has been out for a year.

 

http://news.asiaone.com/news/singapore/new-bicycle-tracking-online-database-system-launched

 

 

Its objective is to combat stolen bicycles, but I suppose with some extra effort this could be extended into an islandwide registration for all bicycles.

 

 

Anyway, I don't see how registration of bicycles will help. Main thing is that when an accident occurs, all involved parties do not run away and instead stay there until the police arrives. Registration only helps prevent hit-and-run cyclists from escaping since you can report the "bicycle licence plate" like how you would report a vehicle licence plate.

[BanCoe]

I stays around Upper Boon Keng Road.  I wish i stays in Sentosa.

 

A group of 3 - 4 should be easy to overtake right?

 

Not so easy bro (overtaking) especially if they are going in excess of 30km/hr and i got to slow down (if its a 2 lane road) and I got to slow down behind them if there is a car occupying the second lane; talking about the entire stretch from Mountbatten all the way to Bedok Road 

 

But Boon Keng area around Kallang/Serangoon on Sunday evenings got many foreign cyclists usually; so got to keep a lookout;