Fibre broadband

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But now no more 500Mbps. Min is 1gbps from telco companies.

[Wildfaye29]

On 1/16/2025 at 5:49 PM, Voodooman said:

I have the same issue. 

Use a high speed switch and don't park your primary router at the ONT access point.  Assume your rooms and living halls are wired. Then you only need 2 routers at 2 separate/ strategic locations to cover 1500 sf area.  

I have 1 router acting as primary and the other asvan extender. 

You said you don't like mesh? Why? 

https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeNetworking/comments/tswvyo/access_point_vs_mesh_system/?rdt=62742

https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeNetworking/comments/182yf58/in_20232024_is_there_any_reason_not_to_be_buying/

 

[Ahwhye]

On 1/16/2025 at 9:11 PM, Jellandross said:

It's just marketing to bluff laymen into spending more money imagining they have a better deal.

The number you see on the plan is the bandwidth not the speed, eg: 1gbps to 2.5gbps to 10gbps, etc. But higher bandwidth does not equate to faster speed (throughput) in real life but that's the snake oil that ISP would like customers to believe.

500Mbps is more than enough for 99% of average households. You're not even close to saturating a 1Gbps link even with multiple HD videos streaming concurrently.

Probably the only layman application that's designed to suck up as much bandwidth as you can throw at it is BitTorrent.

Learn more and don't get con by ISP:

 

 

 

In a car forum, it can best use the analogy of a 3-lane, 5 lane or 10 lane expressways.

people only drive one car at a time, no jam anything also good, got jam give you 10 lanes you also can't move an inch.

[Kklee]

On 1/17/2025 at 11:02 AM, Ahwhye said:

In a car forum, it can best use the analogy of a 3-lane, 5 lane or 10 lane expressways.

people only drive one car at a time, no jam anything also good, got jam give you 10 lanes you also can't move an inch.

IMHO.
The bandwidth could be there, also need to see if the human operator can make use of it. 
 

[Eyke]

On 1/16/2025 at 11:16 AM, Kb27 said:

For those who don't use Internet heavily, like massive data transfer or gaming.

To save money: do like what I did, get a 4G SIM router (less than $100), add in Simba data-only plan $5 for 300GB monthly.

I've been on this router/SIM for 2 months now, absolutely no problem. I don't miss the fibre broadband, after giving up Starhub 500Mbps a few months earlier.

No contract to worry about, when it ends. No worry about losing equipment and being charged extra.

Just $5 per month.

If data not enough, just get another 4G router, another $5 SIM card.

Your initial outlay is the price of router; then it's $5 or $10 monthly going forward.

how's the speed/throughput though?

i guess depends on your area's coverage/reception?

[Kb27]

On 1/17/2025 at 2:38 PM, Eyke said:

how's the speed/throughput though?

i guess depends on your area's coverage/reception?

4G + Wifi 6 ; speed is about 100Mbps, tested with speedtest app.

If you go 5G + Wifi 6,it can reach 300Mbps.

4G is more than enough, if you're just watching 4k streaming video, browsing internet, with no problem.

But I guess if you have 4 or 5  people doing the same thing at the same time, then data traffic might get bogged down.

[Ghgan]

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[Kklee]

On 1/17/2025 at 4:20 PM, Kb27 said:

4G + Wifi 6 ; speed is about 100Mbps, tested with speedtest app.

If you go 5G + Wifi 6,it can reach 300Mbps.

4G is more than enough, if you're just watching 4k streaming video, browsing internet, with no problem.

But I guess if you have 4 or 5  people doing the same thing at the same time, then data traffic might get bogged down.

IMHO.
For information,  my XE50-5G can reach 210 down / 48.4 up on Heya 4G on wifi-6. 👍

[Ody_2004]

 

[Volvobrick]

On 1/19/2025 at 6:59 PM, Ody_2004 said:

 

That's exactly what I need. Got 300 MPS plan? 😆

[Kklee]

On 1/19/2025 at 6:59 PM, Ody_2004 said:

 

IMHO.
AI tells me bandwidth and internet speed is NOT the same. 

 

[Kb27]

On 1/19/2025 at 8:02 PM, Kklee said:

IMHO.
AI tells me bandwidth and internet speed is NOT the same. 

 

They are not the same.

Think of a car on a highway, going say 90km/h at the speed limit. That's the speed it can go.

Now, think of how many lanes are there in that highway. If they are 3 lanes, you can accommodate 3 cars going at 90km/h. That's a lot more traffic it can carry. And that's bandwidth.

 

In electrical analogy, speed is like voltage. Bandwidth is like current.

[Kklee]

On 1/19/2025 at 8:27 PM, Kb27 said:

They are not the same.

Think of a car on a highway, going say 90km/h at the speed limit. That's the speed it can go.

Now, think of how many lanes are there in that highway. If they are 3 lanes, you can accommodate 3 cars going at 90km/h. That's a lot more traffic it can carry. And that's bandwidth.

 

In electrical analogy, speed is like voltage. Bandwidth is like current.

 

IMHO.
Eh... that is what I say - they are not the same.

There is limitation in you analogy using voltage and current because there is still the R component as it is V=IR.
 

Here's a closer description - Bandwidth is the maximum possible speed.   Internet speed is how fast the data can be fed/flow into the network. 
E.g. 
if the internet pipe is 1Gbps (bandwidth) and the server serving the data thru 1Gbe,  the internet speed will still be 1Gbps.
If the internet pipe is 10Gbps (bandwidth) and the server serving the data thru 1Gbe,  the internet speed will still be 1Gbps.
If the internet pipe is 10Gbps (bandwidth) and the server serving the data thru 10Gbe,  the internet speed will be 10Gbps.
Similarly, 
If the internet pipe is 1Gbps  (bandwidth) and the server serving the data thru 10Gbe, the internet speed will still be 1Gbps.

Translating this to highway lanes and cars,

If the highway is 1 lane (bandwidth) and the toll feed the highway 1 car at a time,  the flow is 1 car ( internet speed).
If the highway is 10 lanes (bandwidth) and the toll feed the highway 1 car at a time, the flow is still 1 car (internet speed) .

 

[Jamesc]

On 1/19/2025 at 8:02 PM, Kklee said:

IMHO.
AI tells me bandwidth and internet speed is NOT the same. 

 

It's true.

PIE max speed is 90.

But there is a traffic jam.

Edited January 19 by Jamesc

[Volvobrick]

On 1/19/2025 at 10:40 PM, Kklee said:

 

IMHO.
Eh... that is what I say - they are not the same.

There is limitation in you analogy using voltage and current because there is still the R component as it is V=IR.
 

Here's a closer description - Bandwidth is the maximum possible speed.   Internet speed is how fast the data can be fed/flow into the network. 
E.g. 
if the internet pipe is 1Gbps (bandwidth) and the server serving the data thru 1Gbe,  the internet speed will still be 1Gbps.
If the internet pipe is 10Gbps (bandwidth) and the server serving the data thru 1Gbe,  the internet speed will still be 1Gbps.
If the internet pipe is 10Gbps (bandwidth) and the server serving the data thru 10Gbe,  the internet speed will be 10Gbps.
Similarly, 
If the internet pipe is 1Gbps  (bandwidth) and the server serving the data thru 10Gbe, the internet speed will still be 1Gbps.

Translating this to highway lanes and cars,

If the highway is 1 lane (bandwidth) and the toll feed the highway 1 car at a time,  the flow is 1 car ( internet speed).
If the highway is 10 lanes (bandwidth) and the toll feed the highway 1 car at a time, the flow is still 1 car (internet speed) .

 

No lah. Band width is the number of cars that can pass per hour, but have a carpark that can discharge 1 car per minute, you 3000 car per hour highway will still transmit 60 car per hour.

This is called bottleneck. Just like if we can absorb information at 100 kps, throw information at us at 1 Gps also no use. 

OK I think the term bandwidth is colloquially used in place of speed. In physics, bandwidth is like the spread around a certain radio frequency, the wider the more data that frequency can transmit, like a wider highway. 

Edited January 19 by Volvobrick

[Kklee]

On 1/20/2025 at 12:02 AM, Volvobrick said:

No lah. Band width is the number of cars that can pass per hour, but have a carpark that can discharge 1 car per minute, you 3000 car per hour highway will still transmit 60 car per hour.

This is called bottleneck. Just like if we can absorb information at 100 kps, throw information at us at 1 Gps also no use. 

OK I think the term bandwidth is colloquially used in place of speed. In physics, bandwidth is like the spread around a certain radio frequency, the wider the more data that frequency can transmit, like a wider highway. 

IMHO.
That's what I meant.  I think I have to revisit my English. 🤣

 

[Kangadrool]

just get the cheapest possible.

[Jamesc]

On 1/20/2025 at 10:32 AM, Kangadrool said:

just get the cheapest possible.

Simba 300Gb SIM at $5.