Fibre broadband

[Dafansu]

Pardon my ignorance , was looking at whizz and saw their 10gbs but with this listed "wired speed via router up to 2.5gbps". What's the meaning of this?  I thought for wired connection should be able to hit much higher closer to 10gbs rather than capped at 2.5gbps? 

Edited Tuesday at 05:18 AM by Dafansu

[Kb27]

On 12/17/2024 at 1:18 PM, Dafansu said:

Pardon my ignorance , was looking at whizz and saw their 10gbs but with this listed "wired speed via router up to 2.5gbps". What's the meaning of this?  I thought for wired connection should be able to hit much higher closer to 10gbs rather than capped at 2.5gbps? 

It means the ethernet port is capable of up to 2.5 Gbps. Many ethernet ports can only do 1 Gbps. Also you need the client, like a PC or laptop, has a 2.5Gbps port that is able to support that speed and the proper cat 5e or 6 cable.

Example my deco X50 router has one 2.5Gbps port and two 1Gbps ports, that's the max speed the ports are capable of.

10Gps is at the fibre input. It is like the total bandwidth; which Includes all the wifi devices and ethernet ports connected.

[Dafansu]

On 12/17/2024 at 3:40 PM, Kb27 said:

It means the ethernet port is capable of up to 2.5 Gbps. Many ethernet ports can only do 1 Gbps. Also you need the client, like a PC or laptop, has a 2.5Gbps port that is able to support that speed and the proper cat 5e or 6 cable.

Example my deco X50 router has one 2.5Gbps port and two 1Gbps ports, that's the max speed the ports are capable of.

10Gps is at the fibre input. It is like the total bandwidth; which Includes all the wifi devices and ethernet ports connected.

ok understood, so 10gbps spilt into eg, if I have 3 PC so will be 2.5gbps each (if the router got 3x 2.5gbps port). So what's the best way to maximise the 10gps assuming I only have one PC. Get a router with higher eternet port output or not even necessary as most webpages won't be able to hit 10gbp eg. youtube, video website etc

Edited Tuesday at 07:49 AM by Dafansu

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On 12/17/2024 at 3:49 PM, Dafansu said:

ok understood, so 10gbps spilt into eg, if I have 3 PC so will be 2.5gbps each (if the router got 3x 2.5gbps port). So what's the best way to maximise the 10gps assuming I only have one PC. Get a router with higher eternet port output or not even necessary as most webpages won't be able to hit 10gbp eg. youtube, video website etc

It is just a marketing. 

3 types of ppl I can think of, paying for 10gbps....

1) 1 or 2.5 gpbs costs $X and 10gbps costs additional few $$, why not?

2) I want to be the front of the technology. 

3) Running actual application which needs super high speed (very min. for home user).  

Most normal users who watch youtube, netflix, 8k movie or whatever do not need 10, 1 gbps is more than enough. I seriously doubt with just 1 PC u can max out 10gbps Go for 1 or 2.5 gbps. 

BTW u will need hardware which is able to support 10gbps wireless and wired. 

 

[Volvobrick]

On 12/17/2024 at 10:51 AM, 13177 said:

I think for home broadband from M1, Singtel and Starhub their price not attractive at all. Network stable or not, i don't know. But service from these teleco definitely no good when you have issue. I have super bad experience with starhub. 

I have stinktel BB together with copper land line, a bit expensive but when things go wrong they send technicians to rectify (after spending time to call them and reset this and that).

 

[Dafansu]

On 12/17/2024 at 4:54 PM, jcmm said:

It is just a marketing. 

3 types of ppl I can think of, paying for 10gbps....

1) 1 or 2.5 gpbs costs $X and 10gbps costs additional few $$, why not?

2) I want to be the front of the technology. 

3) Running actual application which needs super high speed (very min. for home user).  

Most normal users who watch youtube, netflix, 8k movie or whatever do not need 10, 1 gbps is more than enough. I seriously doubt with just 1 PC u can max out 10gbps Go for 1 or 2.5 gbps. 

BTW u will need hardware which is able to support 10gbps wireless and wired. 

 

just did some research online, a 10gbps router easily cost $300++ 😁

[Kb27]

On 12/17/2024 at 3:49 PM, Dafansu said:

ok understood, so 10gbps spilt into eg, if I have 3 PC so will be 2.5gbps each (if the router got 3x 2.5gbps port). So what's the best way to maximise the 10gps assuming I only have one PC. Get a router with higher eternet port output or not even necessary as most webpages won't be able to hit 10gbp eg. youtube, video website etc

Well, if you really want to maximize one PC connection, then you need to get a PC with 10Gbps port. I'm not sure if there's such a thing. 😁

A high-end server would probably use fibre-optic connection and not ethernet ports. It's just like the one run to your home by telco (netLink) for fibre broadband.

Think of the 10Gbps fibre as your input. You need a router to split the output to all your connected devices, Each split has it's own speed limitation: be it Wireless (wifi) or wired (ethernet).

10Gbps is an extremely high speed. You are very unlikely to use the full speed/bandwidth.

Example each 4k video streams takes about 25Mbps only. You would be operating a netflix type of operation that stream thousands upon thousands of video at the same time, to even touch a 10Gbps speed. For home users it's definitely overkill.

 

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On 12/17/2024 at 5:21 PM, Dafansu said:

just did some research online, a 10gbps router easily cost $300++ 😁

Just get a cheap plan. My parents house is using Singtel old plan, I forget 300 mbps or 500mbps. With many devices connect at 1 time, no lag.

My house is on M1 1 + 1 n I am using only 1 link.  A bit of wasting money.

[13177]

On 12/17/2024 at 5:07 PM, Volvobrick said:

I have stinktel BB together with copper land line, a bit expensive but when things go wrong they send technicians to rectify (after spending time to call them and reset this and that).

 

If they are able to come and rectify the issue fast and issue never come back then still can forgive. But if they take many days to come and cannot resolve the issue then blood boils and yet nothing you can do since you are under their mercy.

[Voodooman]

Anyone using 5G wifi routers instead of netlink's fibre optics network at home?

Any advantage in terms of speed and cost?  Logically, 5G is still using netlink and SPTel fibre as backbone, so speed can't be faster but it seems 5G routers are in stores and there should be a growing market.

Edited Wednesday at 05:13 AM by Voodooman

[Butakim]

@Voodooman5G should be using telco network instead of netlink. It's like a 5G phone with hotspot. 

Think both should be ok depending on your usage pattern. 

5G network would have cap on total data depending on the mobile plan you signed.

Fibre network would be unlimited.

[Voodooman]

On 12/18/2024 at 5:15 PM, Butakim said:

@Voodooman5G should be using telco network instead of netlink. It's like a 5G phone with hotspot. 

Think both should be ok depending on your usage pattern. 

5G network would have cap on total data depending on the mobile plan you signed.

Fibre network would be unlimited.

Thanks for sharing. Looks like it is just a data cap then.  With mobile plan prices falling like a rock and with some players offering 1TB local data for $28 a month, it looks like fibre broadband may be under pressure too.  But is 1TB local data a month good enough for most families? 

Just sharing, while 4G or 5G is mobile but it still uses fibre to move data.  Ultimately all these data still goes through the pipes.  See article.

https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/opinion-features/columns/the-big-role-of-fibre-in-5g-deployment

Despite the wireless nature of 5G, its deployment is heavily reliant on the availability of fibre optics to transport the vast amount of data from the mobile base stations to the physical core network. Fibre is irreplaceable in 5G mobile backhaul as it is the only medium that can transmit an infinite amount of data at scalable speeds. In 100 per cent fibre networks, the data transmission speed is only limited by the transmitters and receivers at each end.

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On 12/18/2024 at 1:12 PM, Voodooman said:

Anyone using 5G wifi routers instead of netlink's fibre optics network at home?

Any advantage in terms of speed and cost?  Logically, 5G is still using netlink and SPTel fibre as backbone, so speed can't be faster but it seems 5G routers are in stores and there should be a growing market.

In term of stability, latency, speed, broadband will be better.

5G in SG is half past 6. Some locations, u might not get 5G. Certain period, network congestion. Indoor speed will reduce further.  

Depending on size of family and online activities, 5G is good enough. Simba 300GB, I think most cannot finish it in a month.  

Edited Wednesday at 10:44 AM by jcmm

[Butakim]

@Voodooman

On 12/18/2024 at 6:12 PM, Voodooman said:

Thanks for sharing. Looks like it is just a data cap then.  With mobile plan prices falling like a rock and with some players offering 1TB local data for $28 a month, it looks like fibre broadband may be under pressure too.  But is 1TB local data a month good enough for most families? 

Just sharing, while 4G or 5G is mobile but it still uses fibre to move data.  Ultimately all these data still goes through the pipes.  See article.

https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/opinion-features/columns/the-big-role-of-fibre-in-5g-deployment

Despite the wireless nature of 5G, its deployment is heavily reliant on the availability of fibre optics to transport the vast amount of data from the mobile base stations to the physical core network. Fibre is irreplaceable in 5G mobile backhaul as it is the only medium that can transmit an infinite amount of data at scalable speeds. In 100 per cent fibre networks, the data transmission speed is only limited by the transmitters and receivers at each end.

Your bottleneck will be the 4G/5G speed your telco provide to your location. Some telco might have low bars to your location. Whether the telco uses fibre is irrelevant. If you stay in woodlands, maybe you will get charged for roaming to JB. Don't think 4G/5G speed will approach fibre speed. Will be good for light users as mobile data plans give more data and is cheaper than fibre.

 

[Voodooman]

On 12/18/2024 at 6:43 PM, jcmm said:

In term of stability, latency, speed, broadband will be better.

5G in SG is half past 6. Some locations, u might not get 5G. Certain period, network congestion. Indoor speed will reduce further.  

Depending on size of family and online activities, 5G is good enough. Simba 300GB, I think most cannot finish it in a month.  

If you use a 5G mobile router to watch Netflix and YouTube for whole family of 4, I am not sure 300GB is sufficient.  A 4K movie can use up to 7GB of data in 1 hour. 

At my residence, 5G mobile speed is pretty decent and stable thus far, for light users, it might be a viable option to not have a fibre line and just use a 5G router.   But if 5G mobile plan see lower prices that comes with 1TB and above of local data,  small family will be tempted to terminate their fibre plan. Me think. 

[Lala81]

On 12/17/2024 at 7:44 AM, Kb27 said:

Most of us don't really need a fibre plan, at  even the lowest speed of 500Mbps, is a bit of overkill.

well that day my wife was showing my kids some anime. But end up the streaming laggy. She got bit frustrated with it.

She jit tao went to download 200gb worth of it. 

 

Edited Thursday at 05:51 AM by Lala81

[Lala81]

On 12/17/2024 at 8:48 AM, Actan72 said:

my M1 is due soon, not sure should i recontract with them.

M1 pricing is not very competitive, i would say their network is stable so far without any disruption so far.

other companies package is below 30 for where M1 is around 40.

i am looking at whizcomm, viewquest and myrepublic.

not sure how is their support and network stability.

Thanks 

whizzcomm had data breach earlier. customer records all long zhong stolen. So no thanks.

not worth saving the $. 

 

Edited Thursday at 05:53 AM by Lala81

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On 12/19/2024 at 1:50 PM, Lala81 said:

well that day my wife was showing my kids some anime. But end up the streaming laggy. She got bit frustrated with it.

She jit tao went to download 200gb worth of it. 

 

wow 200gb is many, many, many, anime.