New 2017 Kia Forte K3

[Contipro]

So may I safely conclude that both cars would be better off with a CVT as ratio will be lowered,thus when at higher speed,rpm remains lower than instead of a six speed auto?

 

since the info for Honda vezel & mazda is easily available, the finding seem interesting showing CVT indeed better for cruising 120km/hr at lower rpm:

 

Honda Vezel 1.5 CVT (CVT ratio 2.526~0.408/5.436) with stock tire 215/60/R16 = 2170 rpm

Honda Vezel Hybrid 1.5 DCT (7sp ratio 4.192.....0.446/5.588) with stock tire 215/60/R16 = 2440 rpm

Mazda 3 1.5 (6sp ratio 3.529....0.594/4.319) with stock tire 205/60/R16 = 2560 rpm

 

Actual the elantra / K3 still stuck with the old gearbox design, just hope the next face-lift/new model do come out with better gearbox for better fuel efficiency. 

 

above calculated engine rpm remark:

-assumption torque converter full lock up without any slippage.

-CVT at lowest ratio which unlikely depend on engine optimum efficiency point

-Tyre OD size assume reduce by 3% due to tyre no longer round when load under car weight / tyre pressure.

-exclude any error on speedo meter by manufacturer.

 

[Brass]

since the info for Honda vezel & mazda is easily available, the finding seem interesting showing CVT indeed better for cruising 120km/hr at lower rpm:

 

Honda Vezel 1.5 CVT (CVT ratio 2.526~0.408/5.436) with stock tire 215/60/R16 = 2170 rpm

Honda Vezel Hybrid 1.5 DCT (7sp ratio 4.192.....0.446/5.588) with stock tire 215/60/R16 = 2440 rpm

Mazda 3 1.5 (6sp ratio 3.529....0.594/4.319) with stock tire 205/60/R16 = 2560 rpm

 

Actual the elantra / K3 still stuck with the old gearbox design, just hope the next face-lift/new model do come out with better gearbox for better fuel efficiency.

 

above calculated engine rpm remark:

-assumption torque converter full lock up without any slippage.

-CVT at lowest ratio which unlikely depend on engine optimum efficiency point

-Tyre OD size assume reduce by 3% due to tyre no longer round when load under car weight / tyre pressure.

-exclude any error on speedo meter by manufacturer.

Wow...so detailed.

Didn't expect it, thanks for your kindness and help.

Will praise you once I praise another 15 people...

[Brass]

since the info for Honda vezel & mazda is easily available, the finding seem interesting showing CVT indeed better for cruising 120km/hr at lower rpm:

 

Honda Vezel 1.5 CVT (CVT ratio 2.526~0.408/5.436) with stock tire 215/60/R16 = 2170 rpm

Honda Vezel Hybrid 1.5 DCT (7sp ratio 4.192.....0.446/5.588) with stock tire 215/60/R16 = 2440 rpm

Mazda 3 1.5 (6sp ratio 3.529....0.594/4.319) with stock tire 205/60/R16 = 2560 rpm

 

Actual the elantra / K3 still stuck with the old gearbox design, just hope the next face-lift/new model do come out with better gearbox for better fuel efficiency.

 

above calculated engine rpm remark:

-assumption torque converter full lock up without any slippage.

-CVT at lowest ratio which unlikely depend on engine optimum efficiency point

-Tyre OD size assume reduce by 3% due to tyre no longer round when load under car weight / tyre pressure.

-exclude any error on speedo meter by manufacturer.

Wow...so detailed.

Didn't expect it, thanks for your kindness and help.

Will praise you once I praise another 15 people...

[teomingern]

since the info for Honda vezel & mazda is easily available, the finding seem interesting showing CVT indeed better for cruising 120km/hr at lower rpm:

 

Honda Vezel 1.5 CVT (CVT ratio 2.526~0.408/5.436) with stock tire 215/60/R16 = 2170 rpm

Honda Vezel Hybrid 1.5 DCT (7sp ratio 4.192.....0.446/5.588) with stock tire 215/60/R16 = 2440 rpm

Mazda 3 1.5 (6sp ratio 3.529....0.594/4.319) with stock tire 205/60/R16 = 2560 rpm

 

Actual the elantra / K3 still stuck with the old gearbox design, just hope the next face-lift/new model do come out with better gearbox for better fuel efficiency. 

 

above calculated engine rpm remark:

-assumption torque converter full lock up without any slippage.

-CVT at lowest ratio which unlikely depend on engine optimum efficiency point

-Tyre OD size assume reduce by 3% due to tyre no longer round when load under car weight / tyre pressure.

-exclude any error on speedo meter by manufacturer.

 

 

Not surprising... CVT is meant to always run at optimum engine speed mah... so it's the most efficient I would say if driven gently... 

[Jounetsu]

The K3 EX is way overpriced.

 

Exactly a year ago, when Cat A COE was $50,000, K3 EX was selling at $89,000.

 

Today, Cat A COE costs $10,000 less at $40,000 but K3 EX is selling at just $1,000 lower at $88,000

 

You are quite right. I have not check other Kia models, but K3 prices seems to defy gravity....   Even with higher OMV or specs, it shouldn't be so much difference. Latest prices are an example, no doubt it has adjusted its price, but compared to Civic, it is still not near proportion to the COE. 

 

Based on SG Carmart latest prices, Civic is getting nearer to K3 prices. With much higher OMV, Civic is more worth it. Even Elantra (Elite) is now $87,999. 

 

22 November 2017

 

Cat A COE : $46,791

 

Civic 1.6 = $111,999

 

K3 (L) = $84,999

K3 (EX) = $91,999

K3 (SX) = $98,999

 

21 February 2018

 

Cat A COE : $36,859

 

Civic 1.6 = $99,999

 

K3 (L) = $77,999

K3 (EX) = $86,999

K3 (SX) = $92,999

[Vinceng]

Elantra Elite specs is equivalent to K3 SX. No brainer to go for Elantra Elite & save $6,000.

Edited February 23, 2018 by Vinceng

[Sdf4786k]

Hi , if i'm not wrong , pre facelift uses eurostyle type , with GPS.

Currently F/L uses motrex , with carplay + andriod auto.

Of course there are other aftermarket brands available.

 

 

for those that uses Andriod auto via APK, please also download the Playstore Services from the APK. Else it will not work..

 

Have fun.

[Multi]

for those that uses Andriod auto via APK, please also download the Playstore Services from the APK. Else it will not work..

 

Have fun.

Err...I'm using AA via apk, so far working just fine. Do we really need to download Play store services?

[GravityBlue]

Err...I'm using AA via apk, so far working just fine. Do we really need to download Play store services?

Yup , me too. Working fine, so leave it as it is.

Elantra Elite specs is equivalent to K3 SX. No brainer to go for Elantra Elite & save $6,000.

Depends whether u value the ventilated seats.

[AndrewLee72]

AA..oppo R9 phone is it select arm64?

[HaroldYeo]

Hi all, DO NOT polish your car at C&C Kia. Very very bad experience. After polishing found that were yellow stains left on the white body of my 5month old K3. Some of the yellow stains were from dirt that would normally be easily washed of. Sent it back to Kia to rectify. Was initially told that I would need to pay $100 because it was my fault that I chose to drive in a dirty environment. 
Only after insisting that I would like to speak to management, that they told me that they would do the removal complimentary. 

Had a lot of inconveniences caused because of this.

 

Upon collection of car, was informed by service advisor, most of the stains cannot be removed anymore, and the stains have already bitten into the paintwork. There is nothing that they can do about it. 

 

Great...........

[teomingern]

Elantra Elite specs is equivalent to K3 SX. No brainer to go for Elantra Elite & save $6,000.

 

Wow! That's a lot of savings leh...

[Dragos]

agree....Elantra seems more value....hope the price dun go up too much in Mar...

[Gene96696]

Hi all, DO NOT polish your car at C&C Kia. Very very bad experience. After polishing found that were yellow stains left on the white body of my 5month old K3. Some of the yellow stains were from dirt that would normally be easily washed of. Sent it back to Kia to rectify. Was initially told that I would need to pay $100 because it was my fault that I chose to drive in a dirty environment.

Only after insisting that I would like to speak to management, that they told me that they would do the removal complimentary.

 

Had a lot of inconveniences caused because of this.

 

Upon collection of car, was informed by service advisor, most of the stains cannot be removed anymore, and the stains have already bitten into the paintwork. There is nothing that they can do about it.

 

Great...........

Not siding on anyone but sometimes we as owners may not notice the issues which was already there and only aware after someone have done something to our cars . Yellow stains can be caused by bird lime or tree saps which may sunken into the paintwork if not properly taken care of . Even paint protections will not give 100% protection on paintwork and by the way , polish won’t do wonders and if the yellow stains have been there for quite sometime it will be hard to get rid off . This is based on my experience on my white car the last time . Cheers .

[Brass]

Wow! That's a lot of savings leh...

 

 

It's more like 7k...just that it does not have a sunroof, ventilated seats and a useless body kit.

(83999 Vs 90999 nett)

[Eugenelite]

Not siding on anyone but sometimes we as owners may not notice the issues which was already there and only aware after someone have done something to our cars . Yellow stains can be caused by bird lime or tree saps which may sunken into the paintwork if not properly taken care of . Even paint protections will not give 100% protection on paintwork and by the way , polish won’t do wonders and if the yellow stains have been there for quite sometime it will be hard to get rid off . This is based on my experience on my white car the last time . Cheers .

 

Yup, white car can be a pain. White EX 1 month old here. hahaha. Anyways, I feel C&C, being the professionals that they claim to be, must have known such "yellow" issues that can potentially impact the clients' experiences. As such, before proceeding with the paint protection or whatever polish, they should have duly informed their clients. And we, as clients, can make an informed decision to sign on the dotted line or not. I am not having second thoughts if I should utilise that 50% "discount" for that paint protection thingy. Can someone pls advise the price by the way? 

[Gene96696]

Yup, white car can be a pain. White EX 1 month old here. hahaha. Anyways, I feel C&C, being the professionals that they claim to be, must have known such "yellow" issues that can potentially impact the clients' experiences. As such, before proceeding with the paint protection or whatever polish, they should have duly informed their clients. And we, as clients, can make an informed decision to sign on the dotted line or not. I am not having second thoughts if I should utilise that 50% "discount" for that paint protection thingy. Can someone pls advise the price by the way?

This is true , if the yellow spots are already there than they should inform the owner to prevent such disputes. The 50% paint protection should be around $300 if I am not wrong . The original price is near $600.

[HaroldYeo]

If the car was like a few years old. I honestly wouldnt be bothered about stains on it. 

 

Its the fact that after sending the car to them for polishing and having stains appear, according to them, of chemicals that I drove over, appearing less than 24hours after the polishing is done. 

 

And also rather pissed off is the fact that they nonchalantly told me that there is nothing that they could do, and the stains are now permanent.