Sabian Turbocharged November 17, 2015 Share November 17, 2015 On 11/17/2015 at 1:49 AM, Karoon said: anyone knows of hybrid 7 seater? we've ditched the kids' school bus and so will be doing lots of driving next year Esquire hybrid. ↡ Advertisement 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdulwz 1st Gear November 17, 2015 Share November 17, 2015 On 11/17/2015 at 1:49 AM, Karoon said: anyone knows of hybrid 7 seater? we've ditched the kids' school bus and so will be doing lots of driving next year If you don't need a full sized MPV like an Odyssey or Estima and will be doing a lot of driving you can consider the Wish which I understand can get as high as 14km/l. Am not too confident about hybrids from PIs in terms of after sales support when there is a major problem with the hybrid system and I noted the hybrids from the ADs are significantly more ex compared to their petrol or diesel variants. Hope this helps... On 11/16/2015 at 5:48 AM, Atrecord said: Yup, I did find the Estima van-like. Esp when the gear was like the 3 Liteaces I used to drive since about 30 yr ago But at least the current version is slightly improved from those days, although like you said, the windscreen and bonnet being flushed means it looks like a van still. But i'm practical So will not rule it out since it ticks most other boxes of a MPV i need. (years ago, when I got the Corolla G9, the revolutionary short bonnet was also highly-criticised, but it still became the most popular sedan). The big problem is the current Estima is really dated, and FC i heard is quite bad at 7-8 km/l? Am hoping the new Estima will be launched soon, and maybe it'll be the best choice. Tested Sharan, and agree that it's good too, but loses out if want luxury seats for 2nd rows (which wife likes…) Agreed. Estima looks very dated both exterior, interior and engine-wise. I believe this model has been around nearly 10 years already... Remember drivng the Estima (known as Tarrago Down Under) in 2006... IMHO, it is a good MPV but not worth what I need to pay for it now when there are other choices available... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphard96 6th Gear November 18, 2015 Share November 18, 2015 (edited) 2nd generation previa and current smaller facelift estima aeras - both are good cars,have nice memories of it. Current Estima, Yes, a bit dated, more than 10 yrs, However, If recalled correctly, fuel consumption wise was quite good, arond 10km/L....full tank of 65 L can get around 550km range (for 2.4, not the 3.5 V6) Also agree with Abdul - for hybrid, suggest get from AD for peace of mind. 3 reasons 1) hybrid battery warranty (not cheap). 2) maintenance 3) usually Japanese character on dashboard for JDM (hybrid cars have many useful information). Except for current 2016 alphard/vellfire, most other older JDM have no options to choose ENGLISH language (even the latest harrier). Edited November 18, 2015 by alphard96 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atrecord Supersonic November 18, 2015 Share November 18, 2015 Any bro here knows Jap? Possible to help to contact Toyota Japan and ask them when will the next Estima be launching? One PI told me it's end of 2016, but I just want to be sure. If it's really the case, i might wait for it. Else, i'll likely get one of the van-like MPVs, or maybe even (unwillingly) the current Estima... tks... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lala81 Hypersonic November 18, 2015 Share November 18, 2015 On 11/17/2015 at 12:59 AM, Atrecord said: Good point. I had not compared with Accord. But I was comparing OMV for ody vs estima, and couldn't understand why they were priced around the same, as estima OMV was significantly higher. accord is selling badly, so they dropped the margins significantly. The ody is KM's top seller among their more higher end cars, hence the higher margins. For eg, when i bought, KM's margins for accord was about 17k vs 27k for the ody. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atrecord Supersonic November 18, 2015 Share November 18, 2015 On 11/18/2015 at 1:18 AM, Lala81 said: accord is selling badly, so they dropped the margins significantly. The ody is KM's top seller among their more higher end cars, hence the higher margins. For eg, when i bought, KM's margins for accord was about 17k vs 27k for the ody. Sigh… what happened to the practice of earning lower margin to sell more units? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lala81 Hypersonic November 18, 2015 Share November 18, 2015 ha u don't want to buy anyway right. your 3rd bench rule... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kteokteo 1st Gear November 18, 2015 Share November 18, 2015 On 11/18/2015 at 1:12 AM, Atrecord said: Any bro here knows Jap? Possible to help to contact Toyota Japan and ask them when will the next Estima be launching? One PI told me it's end of 2016, but I just want to be sure. If it's really the case, i might wait for it. Else, i'll likely get one of the van-like MPVs, or maybe even (unwillingly) the current Estima... tks... looking at this japanese article....yes new Estima likely to surface within 2016.. http://magazine.vehiclenavi.com/archives/3822 http://matome.naver.jp/odai/2142154311749636601/2142154697554286303 from the artist impression, looks futuristic. Toyota is planning a FCV version too. the front looks like the current Mirai FCV. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atrecord Supersonic November 18, 2015 Share November 18, 2015 On 11/18/2015 at 2:28 AM, Lala81 said: ha u don't want to buy anyway right. your 3rd bench rule... Yah… but just hoping to benefit those bros who are interested in it mah On 11/18/2015 at 2:59 AM, Kteokteo said: looking at this japanese article....yes new Estima likely to surface within 2016.. http://magazine.vehiclenavi.com/archives/3822 http://matome.naver.jp/odai/2142154311749636601/2142154697554286303 from the artist impression, looks futuristic. Toyota is planning a FCV version too. the front looks like the current Mirai FCV. Err… I can't find anything that I can understand there leh (dunno Jap ) So there's rumors that it's indeed going to be 2016? tks... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karu 6th Gear November 18, 2015 Share November 18, 2015 Looks like just a render. Still same profile as current Estima. Don't think we'll see new Estima any time soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbon82 Moderator November 18, 2015 Share November 18, 2015 On 11/18/2015 at 6:45 AM, Atrecord said: Yah… but just hoping to benefit those bros who are interested in it mah Err… I can't find anything that I can understand there leh (dunno Jap ) So there's rumors that it's indeed going to be 2016? tks... Don't be too hopeful, as there are other sites that posted another facelift for the Estima in May 2016. New model will only be ready in late 2018 to 2020... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbon82 Moderator November 18, 2015 Share November 18, 2015 On 11/17/2015 at 1:49 AM, Karoon said: anyone knows of hybrid 7 seater? we've ditched the kids' school bus and so will be doing lots of driving next year Honda Jade Nissan Serena Toyota Sienta Toyota Prius Alpha Toyota Esquire Toyota Noah Toyota Voxy Toyota Estima Toyota Alphard Toyota Vellfire Some of these are on indent basis. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuanyan128 2nd Gear November 18, 2015 Share November 18, 2015 I would prefer a TC engine and reduce the cc like Honda Stepwagon 1.5T than a hybrid. Don't make much sense in SG as road tax goes according to cc and Hybrid cc remains the same. Assuming the same higher maintenance on Hybrid system and TC engines, at least TC can save on road tax. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbon82 Moderator November 18, 2015 Share November 18, 2015 On 11/14/2015 at 8:11 AM, chuanyan128 said: Having said that, comparing Sharan, Previa/Estima and Odyssey, Sharan : 4,854mm (L) x 1,904mm (W) x 1,720mm (H) x 2,920mm (Wheelbase) Previa/Estima : 4,795mm (L) x 1,800mm (W) x 1,730mm (H) x 2,950mm (Wheelbase) Odyssey : 4,830mm (L) x 1,820mm (W) x 1,695mm (H) x 2,900mm (Wheelbase) Sharan is the longest and widest yet 3rd row is slightly narrower than the other 2. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuanyan128 2nd Gear November 19, 2015 Share November 19, 2015 On 11/18/2015 at 10:42 AM, Carbon82 said: On 11/14/2015 at 8:11 AM, chuanyan128 said: Having said that, comparing Sharan, Previa/Estima and Odyssey, Sharan : 4,854mm (L) x 1,904mm (W) x 1,720mm (H) x 2,920mm (Wheelbase) Previa/Estima : 4,795mm (L) x 1,800mm (W) x 1,730mm (H) x 2,950mm (Wheelbase) Odyssey : 4,830mm (L) x 1,820mm (W) x 1,695mm (H) x 2,900mm (Wheelbase) Sharan is the longest and widest yet 3rd row is slightly narrower than the other 2. Wow, you're good. Although no measurement on interior height and cabin length for Sharan to have a better comparison, we can confirm that both Sharan and Oddy longer bonnet suffers on cabin length. Oddy win on height due to lower floor board and also 3rd row seats are position behind rear wheel axle instead of above, that gives the best 3rd row space. Well, I had chosen Sharan, silly me. haha. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbon82 Moderator November 19, 2015 Share November 19, 2015 (edited) On 11/19/2015 at 3:02 AM, chuanyan128 said: Wow, you're good. Although no measurement on interior height and cabin length for Sharan to have a better comparison, we can confirm that both Sharan and Oddy longer bonnet suffers on cabin length. Oddy win on height due to lower floor board and also 3rd row seats are position behind rear wheel axle instead of above, that gives the best 3rd row space. Well, I had chosen Sharan, silly me. haha. You made a good choice with the Sharan. As I have shared earlier, as long as the space meet your requirement, we should not be too bother with a few mm / cm more here and there, but to look at your other priority, such as power, price, reliability, etc. etc. Among the 3 listed, I would have pick Sharan too, as the other 2 lose out in power (and not forgetting the larger engine capacity attract hundreds more in road tax per year). And to make you feel more at ease, the EA888 2.0TSI engine + 6 speed DSG is a very reliable combination. It can be found in Golf GTI, Passat, CC, Superb, just to name a few... Edited November 19, 2015 by Carbon82 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ins1dious Turbocharged November 19, 2015 Share November 19, 2015 The new Mazda CX-9 could have been an even more handsome looking car.... but now looks a but like it got bad braces for its teeth instead. http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2016-mazda-cx-9-official-photos-and-info-news 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samfreak 3rd Gear November 19, 2015 Share November 19, 2015 On 11/18/2015 at 12:44 AM, alphard96 said: 3 reasons 1) hybrid battery warranty (not cheap). 2) maintenance 3) usually Japanese character on dashboard for JDM (hybrid cars have many useful information). Except for current 2016 alphard/vellfire, most other older JDM have no options to choose ENGLISH language (even the latest harrier). The Toyota triplets also offer English language. ↡ Advertisement 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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