7-Seater MPV

[Spring]

  On 3/29/2016 at 7:34 AM, Lala81 said:

Mobilo is for Indonesians lol.

 

Anyway these vehicles I don't think are tested at the ncap or iihs level.

Look at mazda5 crash test scores at iihs. Quite poor. U can have airbags and seat belts but if the shell of the car can't stand up to impact, all these don't help. Unfortunately there's no South East Asian ncap equivalent testing. I suspect most of these entry level mpvs will fair very poorly on side impact and roof strength

 

Good points brought up on the crash test which a lot of us take it for granted.

Agreed Asean cars should have the equivalent kind of testing as the Europeans, Americans otherwise its downright dangerous as we ferrying our loved ones esp in MPVs.

[Acemundo]

tuned to how many horsepower and Nm ?

  On 3/29/2016 at 7:37 AM, Vtim said:

I will see how it goes in another year or two, if COE stil maintain at $40k+ to $50k+, than will renew COE for another 5yrs and drop in the Skunk Stage 2 CAM 

 

[Weewee1976]

  On 3/28/2016 at 9:25 AM, Tireburner said:

Hope owners of Mazda 5 can help out with this question.

Is the sliding door manual or battery operated?

 

For MPVs with battery operated sliding door, would this shorten the car's battery lifetime?

 

The sliding door is motorised, means when engine is off, it runs on car battery. However, you have the option to turn off the motorised sliding also.

[Carbon82]

  On 3/28/2016 at 2:07 PM, Atrecord said:

When original Stream came out around 2000 came out it attracted some buyers

But when original Wish came out in 2003, Stream almost stopped selling immediately - such was the success of the first Wish.

Then when 2G Stream came out around 2006, people were a little tired of the Wish, and so 2G Stream did sell more than the by-then old Wish, which was a facelift. Credits to the 2G Stream because the styling was a good fight to the Wish (unlike the original Stream which lost out flat). 

Then came 2G Wish in 2009, which again gained back significant market share for the compact MPV segment.

 

I felt that the 2G Stream was at least a worthy competitor to the Wish.

 

But Mobilio… my own view is that it doesn't even come close to Wish, and it's quite a disappointment from Honda. Strange that Stream's successor cannot match up to Stream...

I owned the 1st gen Stream, 2.0 i-VTEC (one of the most powerful 7 seater around then). The 1.7 VTEC variant is severly underpower, and thus when the 1.8L Wish arrived, the swing to Wish is obvious (Wish has good balance of horsepower & torque, and thus better fuel economy, even when loaded).

 

The 2nd gen Stream look better, but as a 1st gen owner, the space and overall spec is not tempting enough to make me going for it (it might be diff story for those driving the 1.7L Stream though). As for Wish, the 2nd gen mark a huge departure from 1st gen, more interior space, better appearance (some even commended it look like a baby Estima), and same fuul efficient 1.8L engine (the 2.0L variant brought in by BM did not sell well and was dropped within a year). So can see that buyer of mid size MPV is still afterall "sensitive" to engine capacity. If not for the revise COE catergorization 2 years ago, the market would be dominated by Conti (Citreon, Peugeot, Opel, VW, etc.)

 

Sorry, but interior of the Mobilio is a big turn off. The dash board, gear stick, door panel and material use make it feel like something from the 90s. No offence to the owner, but Honda strategy to use the cheapest material (for ASEAN model) somewhat do not fit it image well, as a premium Japanese auto maker, imo.

[Atrecord]

  On 3/29/2016 at 6:50 AM, Nzy said:

But I do see quite alot of mobilos around though.

 

well… maybe die-hard Honda supporters got no better choice lor 

[Lilukl]

Personality found Wish is most balance between space, power n FC. With price around 110k... conti car is like 15k more, which concern abt reliability, higher maintenance cost n FC.

 

Looking for more options

[Vinceng]

  On 3/29/2016 at 9:41 AM, Carbon82 said:

I owned the 1st gen Stream, 2.0 i-VTEC (one of the most powerful 7 seater around then). The 1.7 VTEC variant is severly underpower, and thus when the 1.8L Wish arrived, the swing to Wish is obvious (Wish has good balance of horsepower & torque, and thus better fuel economy, even when loaded).

 

The 2nd gen Stream look better, but as a 1st gen owner, the space and overall spec is not tempting enough to make me going for it (it might be diff story for those driving the 1.7L Stream though). As for Wish, the 2nd gen mark a huge departure from 1st gen, more interior space, better appearance (some even commended it look like a baby Estima), and same fuul efficient 1.8L engine (the 2.0L variant brought in by BM did not sell well and was dropped within a year). So can see that buyer of mid size MPV is still afterall "sensitive" to engine capacity. If not for the revise COE catergorization 2 years ago, the market would be dominated by Conti (Citreon, Peugeot, Opel, VW, etc.)

 

Sorry, but interior of the Mobilio is a big turn off. The dash board, gear stick, door panel and material use make it feel like something from the 90s. No offence to the owner, but Honda strategy to use the cheapest material (for ASEAN model) somewhat do not fit it image well, as a premium Japanese auto maker, imo.

Toyota Avanza also sama sama.

 

Costs only SGD25k brand new in Indonesia with no life span.

[Carbon82]

  On 3/29/2016 at 3:53 PM, Vinceng said:

Toyota Avanza also sama sama.

 

Costs only SGD25k brand new in Indonesia with no life span.

Yes, I am aware of Avanza built quality (and the whole car vibrate badly at high speed)... But let look at City & Vios, although both are also make in Thai and meant mainly for ASEAN market, the design and built quality is not too far off from the better model (Civic / Corolla).

 

The question lingering in my mind: Is it really going to save Honda or Toyota a lot more money by lowering the quality of such ASEAN car, or more to maximize profits?

 

And one last note. In the environment that focus on engine downsizing, European fare better with the use of TC sub 1.6L engine (both petrol & diesel), while Japanese still sticking with sub 1.8L NA petrol engine, which lose out to the conti in both performance (especially torque, which is essential to in city driving) and FC (CO2 too). A lot keep questioning about reliability, why not let history and statistics speak for itself (just google about TC and diesel engine in conti car)...

[Dscheng]

The new wish no longer with 2.0 engine??

[Andysgp]

  On 3/30/2016 at 12:59 AM, Dscheng said:

The new wish no longer with 2.0 engine??

Where did you get the info from?

[Ericongy]

  On 3/29/2016 at 3:31 PM, Lilukl said:

Personality found Wish is most balance between space, power n FC. With price around 110k... conti car is like 15k more, which concern abt reliability, higher maintenance cost n FC.

 

Looking for more options

 

with the absent of a new stream, i do feel Wish make the most sense in this category.

but i would take the 2nd gen stream anytime if KM are still selling them.

 

i just feel that honda make better driver's car. its more planted to the ground and the drive is more refine.

 

as for looks, if it matters, the 2nd gen stream still looks great today.

[Carbon82]

  On 3/30/2016 at 2:41 AM, Andysgp said:

Where did you get the info from?

  On 3/30/2016 at 12:59 AM, Dscheng said:

The new wish no longer with 2.0 engine??

 

2.0L Wish is still available in Japan, but both BM and PI only bring in the 1.8L variant.

 

Edited March 30, 2016 by Carbon82

[Victor68]

As the TS for this subject, I am still looking. Key reason is waiting for COE to drop but I am still unable to find an ideal 7-seater that I can truly say I will go straight in and buy.

 

If we look at the current brands/models available within the $110K segment at today's COE, these are my shortlisted few.

 

1) Sienta and Freed - very practical interior. Exterior and power are my consideration, plus PI

2) Mazada 5 and Wish - Almost no change, like driving an old car

3) Mobilio - Look like an extended Jass and poor interior finishes. Power also a consideration

4) Kia Caren - Like the look and finishes. 3rd row so so and worry of their DCT as being discussed here

5) Conti 7 seater - Very tempting. Don't dare to touch yet.

 

From above list, personally I would be looking at (1) and (4) again.

[Dscheng]

  On 3/30/2016 at 5:49 AM, Carbon82 said:

 

2.0L Wish is still available in Japan, but both BM and PI only bring in the 1.8L variant.

i am wondering why they dont want to bring in? Cost too high?

[Carbon82]

  On 3/31/2016 at 12:40 AM, Victor68 said:

As the TS for this subject, I am still looking. Key reason is waiting for COE to drop but I am still unable to find an ideal 7-seater that I can truly say I will go straight in and buy.

 

If we look at the current brands/models available within the $110K segment at today's COE, these are my shortlisted few.

 

1) Sienta and Freed - very practical interior. Exterior and power are my consideration, plus PI

2) Mazada 5 and Wish - Almost no change, like driving an old car

3) Mobilio - Look like an extended Jass and poor interior finishes. Power also a consideration

4) Kia Caren - Like the look and finishes. 3rd row so so and worry of their DCT as being discussed here

5) Conti 7 seater - Very tempting. Don't dare to touch yet.

 

From above list, personally I would be looking at (1) and (4) again.

Seems that Sienta is the one for you. While I really like the built quality of the newer Korean offering (on par with some conti indeed), long reliability is still unknown. While I don't wish to turn this thread into an debate of Jap or Korean car is better, I have to share that 2 close friends of mine did experenced some problem with their Forte after the 3rd year. I have better faith in higher end Korean model (e.g. Sorento, new K5, Sonata, Genesis) though, as logically speaking, they are targeting at a different market, whereby buyer will much more concern with reliability and performance in long term. Just my 2 cents.

  On 3/31/2016 at 1:21 AM, Dscheng said:

i am wondering why they dont want to bring in? Cost too high?

Cost vs improvement in performance is insignificant.

 

Especially now that entry conti MPV with much small engine can produce similar, if not better horsepower and torque than the less road tax friendly Wish 2.0

[Lilukl]

  On 3/31/2016 at 12:40 AM, Victor68 said:

As the TS for this subject, I am still looking. Key reason is waiting for COE to drop but I am still unable to find an ideal 7-seater that I can truly say I will go straight in and buy.

 

If we look at the current brands/models available within the $110K segment at today's COE, these are my shortlisted few.

 

1) Sienta and Freed - very practical interior. Exterior and power are my consideration, plus PI

2) Mazada 5 and Wish - Almost no change, like driving an old car

3) Mobilio - Look like an extended Jass and poor interior finishes. Power also a consideration

4) Kia Caren - Like the look and finishes. 3rd row so so and worry of their DCT as being discussed here

5) Conti 7 seater - Very tempting. Don't dare to touch yet.

 

From above list, personally I would be looking at (1) and (4) again.

Heard the new model freed going to lunch in Q2 this year. With 1.0 TC engine. But no new when ll star sell.

 

1.Sienta in my list too, seem a bit low power n from photos the exterior desing not my preference. Have to go down showroom see.

 

2. Wish, so far so good. Good FC n 140HP.big enough.

 

3. Kia Cerens... looking for 1.7 diesel model. Not prefer the front grill design.

 

4. Conti car mpv, all above 120k. Low CC diesel engine with TC. Concern reliability of parts n maintenance cost. Looking at these three brand..Renault, Peugeot n Citroen.

 

Wish still in my top list...

[Victor68]

Went for a test drive Mobillio this afternoon.

 

Interior indeed so so. 6 adults power OK but engine a bit noisy when you rev up. Otherwise it is a very decent car at $104k. In fact the 3rd row is better than my stream.

[yokechye]

anyone tried the BMW 2GT? What do you think of this?