Weez911 Supersonic December 31, 2015 Share December 31, 2015 Depends on individual preferences. For me, I find a car a luxury. I wouldn't buy a car if it is going to impact my finances significantly enough that I have to reduce my investments in other areas or if I have to take a long time to save up for it. This is why my family's cars are all cheap B&B cars. I don't think you understand my statements. Nvm it's ok, I don't want to merry-go-round again. ↡ Advertisement 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nzy Twincharged December 31, 2015 Share December 31, 2015 (edited) I don't think you understand my statements. Nvm it's ok, I don't want to merry-go-round again. Of course I understand. You are trying to say that the money spent could have been invested to get better returns rather than putting it all into the car. But to me, it is a luxury, just like those people who buy watches that cost tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Do they take loans so that they can invest also? No right? Cuz that money is an insignificant amount of money to them. For me, that is what I believe in as well. I only buy a car if it costs an insignificant amount to me. That 100k is not going to make much difference to my investment portfolio even before I factor in the interest rate for the loan. Edited December 31, 2015 by Nzy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weez911 Supersonic December 31, 2015 Share December 31, 2015 Of course I understand. You are trying to say that the money spent could have been invested to get better returns rather than putting it all into the car. But to me, it is a luxury, just like those people who buy watches that cost tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Do they take loans so that they can invest also? No right? Cuz that money is an insignificant amount of money to them. For me, that is what I believe in as well. I only buy a car if it costs an insignificant amount to me. That 100k is not going to make much difference to my investment portfolio even before I factor in the interest rate for the loan.Wah MCF really jin sartki men. 100k is the new insignificance. My definition of loose change is only 1c, or 5c, or heck $1 max. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbon82 Moderator December 31, 2015 Share December 31, 2015 wow - 26km/L Thats pretty amazing if really true. Large toyota/lexus saloon hybrid only around 16-18km/L.....and this ody hybrid is large mpv! 26Km/L sounds too good to be true. But given that JC08 fuel economy test method is pretty close to EU standard, and is better related to our daily drive pattern, so most owner/driver shall be able to achieve ~70% of the claimed figure, i.e. 18Km/L, without trying too hard to be light-footed. In my case, I have been achieving manufacturer claimed figures for my current & past 4 rides (mixture of Japanese and Conti make) due to my traveling pattern and route, so if I were to switch to this, I am effectively halving my fuel bill!! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbon82 Moderator December 31, 2015 Share December 31, 2015 More importantly is that it will provide faster pickup/low end torque. heh Honestly, 200 horsepower / 300Nm torque is nothing to shout about given that the car is expected to weigh close to 2 tons (current Absolute variant weigh up to 1.82 ton). And IF, the battery run flat during a long drive, say up north, the petrol driven 2.0 i-VTEC engine, which generate ~140 horsepower / 165Nm torque, will be struggling to keep up with the "speed" (legal or not you decide). 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lala81 Hypersonic December 31, 2015 Share December 31, 2015 Honestly, 200 horsepower / 300Nm torque is nothing to shout about given that the car is expected to weigh close to 2 tons (current Absolute variant weigh up to 1.82 ton). And IF, the battery run flat during a long drive, say up north, the petrol driven 2.0 i-VTEC engine, which generate ~140 horsepower / 165Nm torque, will be struggling to keep up with the "speed" (legal or not you decide). Of course, top end speed or what doesn't matter when u are driving these type of cars. Just pointing out that hybrids are quite good for city driving cos the electric motor does make the car fairly responsive during initial acceleration. It doesn't make it a fast car, just a bit more peppy to drive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbon82 Moderator December 31, 2015 Share December 31, 2015 Of course, top end speed or what doesn't matter when u are driving these type of cars. Just pointing out that hybrids are quite good for city driving cos the electric motor does make the car fairly responsive during initial acceleration. It doesn't make it a fast car, just a bit more peppy to drive. True, hybrid is an excellent companion for city driving. Just that I am bench marking the Odyssey Hybrid against other MPV when I post the earlier reply. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lala81 Hypersonic December 31, 2015 Share December 31, 2015 True, hybrid is an excellent companion for city driving. Just that I am bench marking the Odyssey Hybrid against other MPV when I post the earlier reply. Maybe families are smaller. Less odys on the road than i expected. Other than the high sticker tag... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Hypersonic December 31, 2015 Share December 31, 2015 Toyota Esquire Hybrid also 23.8km/L. The care weigh 1.6 ton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Moderator December 31, 2015 Share December 31, 2015 True, hybrid is an excellent companion for city driving. Just that I am bench marking the Odyssey Hybrid against other MPV when I post the earlier reply. I agree hybrids good for city driving but comparing to diesel which I find also good for city driving though preferably used for long distances. What's your take? True? 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Hypersonic December 31, 2015 Share December 31, 2015 I agree hybrids good for city driving but comparing to diesel which I find also good for city driving though preferably used for long distances. What's your take? True? Diesel cannot beat Hybrid lah. Under low speed condition, Hybrid can run fully on electric mode. No petrol consumed. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Moderator December 31, 2015 Share December 31, 2015 Diesel cannot beat Hybrid lah. Under low speed condition, Hybrid can run fully on electric mode. No petrol consumed. Actually my comparison is not so much on FC but pick up, torque etc which IMO is useful in the traffic conditions we face here. I know the Europeans use diesel more for cross country driving which we don't have here unless u go up north. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lala81 Hypersonic December 31, 2015 Share December 31, 2015 Actually my comparison is not so much on FC but pick up, torque etc which IMO is useful in the traffic conditions we face here. I know the Europeans use diesel more for cross country driving which we don't have here unless u go up north. Have to wait for dieselgate to blow over anyway. If the europeans have any common sense, they would start taxing diesel heavily right this moment. But ok lah, make their car manufacturers happy while worsening the health of their citizens. Superb. SG is a monkey see monkey do, so i expect diesel tax to be changed after a few years. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Hypersonic December 31, 2015 Share December 31, 2015 Actually my comparison is not so much on FC but pick up, torque etc which IMO is useful in the traffic conditions we face here. I know the Europeans use diesel more for cross country driving which we don't have here unless u go up north. For torque, electric motor wins hands down. Once throttle is press, max throttle output. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Moderator December 31, 2015 Share December 31, 2015 For torque, electric motor wins hands down. Once throttle is press, max throttle output. Ok tks for the feedback, I'm already impressed with diesel torque but have yet to try electric so guess it would be another level up Have to wait for dieselgate to blow over anyway. If the europeans have any common sense, they would start taxing diesel heavily right this moment. But ok lah, make their car manufacturers happy while worsening the health of their citizens. Superb. SG is a monkey see monkey do, so i expect diesel tax to be changed after a few years. Agreed on SG being monkey see, monkey do. How is diesel being taxed now in Europe? Thought it was higher than petrol like us albeit marginally only? BTW, thought diesel of today is cleaner than petrol? Cos I'm hearing 2 sides of the argument. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Hypersonic December 31, 2015 Share December 31, 2015 Ok tks for the feedback, I'm already impressed with diesel torque but have yet to try electric so guess it would be another level up Go & try out electric Go-Kart. In term of Hybrid, BMW (despite using Toyota Hybrid) takes a giant leap by introducing plug-in hybrid. Toyota only got Plug-in Hybrid Prius. Sadly, not a lot of places have charging station. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lala81 Hypersonic December 31, 2015 Share December 31, 2015 Ok tks for the feedback, I'm already impressed with diesel torque but have yet to try electric so guess it would be another level up Agreed on SG being monkey see, monkey do. How is diesel being taxed now in Europe? Thought it was higher than petrol like us albeit marginally only? BTW, thought diesel of today is cleaner than petrol? Cos I'm hearing 2 sides of the argument. It's not really via the diesel tax per say. But they have road tax breaks for low CO2 emission cars. Something like CEVS. So it means diesel cars cost much less to run and maintain compared to petrol engines. Diesel has low CO2, but much higher NO2 etc. I'm not an expert. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Moderator December 31, 2015 Share December 31, 2015 Go & try out electric Go-Kart. In term of Hybrid, BMW (despite using Toyota Hybrid) takes a giant leap by introducing plug-in hybrid. Toyota only got Plug-in Hybrid Prius. Sadly, not a lot of places have charging station. Spoke to a product genius at PML not too long ago who took time to explain on the i3 n i8 to me. I'm quite sold on this and impressed with the technology used but yes lack of charging stations mean this car will not sell well here esp since most of us don't live in landed. ↡ Advertisement 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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