SDP chairman arrested for drug offence

[Tianmo]

siang ka pager ah

 

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KNN................really hang ard like a bloody undertaker..................go away go away..............    

[Jman888]

I'm not lumping that weed and alcohol and tobacco are the same... My post above should make that clear.

 

I agree with T4 that it is wrong to pursue someone else's lifestyle choice for a victimless crime committed outside of the country. 

 

Question is... why should it even bother the CNB if an addict was caught with traces of the drug? CNB should only be bothered if that fellow was a drug mule and was trying to bring it here. They should only be investigating the sale of it here. And try to stamp it out and keeping our shores clean.

 

Only people who should be worried for that fellow with drugs in his system are his friends/family. And they should take him to a halfway home to get him cured of his addiction. Not effing CNB.

 

 

i am not sure is drug addict itself a crime? it could be though.

[Sabian]

I'm not lumping that weed and alcohol and tobacco are the same... My post above should make that clear.

 

I agree with T4 that it is wrong to pursue someone else's lifestyle choice for a victimless crime committed outside of the country. 

 

Question is... why should it even bother the CNB if an addict was caught with traces of the drug? CNB should only be bothered if that fellow was a drug mule and was trying to bring it here. They should only be investigating the sale of it here. And try to stamp it out and keeping our shores clean.

 

Only people who should be worried for that fellow with drugs in his system are his friends/family. And they should take him to a halfway home to get him cured of his addiction. Not effing CNB.

Maybe because when you snuff out the end users, you hurt demand for drugs, lesser incentive for the donkeys to bring the stuff in?

 

I mean, if tomorrow they declare (openly or discreetly) that there is a change in their stance towards being found with drugs in the body is ok, you don't think the donkey owners will take that as a cue?

[Jman888]

Maybe because when you snuff out the end users, you hurt demand for drugs, lesser incentive for the donkeys to bring the stuff in?

 

I mean, if tomorrow they declare (openly or discreetly) that there is a change in their stance towards being found with drugs in the body is ok, you don't think the donkey owners will take that as a cue?

 

 

 

you will find more illegal chain open right after the JB or batam custom with hawker touting    

[ins1dious]

Would there be a magical marker in his body that when caught and tested by CNB, it clearly distinct this guy from the rest of junkies that this is a special case that we should not touch because the drugs were confirmed to be consumed in overseas? If not, please advise how it should carry out the investigation without wasting too much of the tax payer money. Do not propose irresponsibly saying it is not your job to provide any viable solution.

 

And very soon other categories like those LGBT people would come in and jostle for more space. Definitely a no no.

 

I think your primary question is how can CNB make sure that the drugs in an addicts system was NOT purchased/consumed in SG.... well... travel records for one... in the absence of which... I assume the enforcement will require some sort of investigative work.... maybe tail him or spook him... find the criminals who are selling the drugs... Singapore isn't that large you know... and give some credit to the good officers. 

 

Enforcement now just means the addict is treated as the criminal. 

 

Regarding your second line... it's not my place to suggest what is morally right or wrong to anyone. I'm not perfect so I have no intention of judging others. I don't even know how I will react if my daughters "turns to the dark side" so to speak... I will cross that bridge if I get there... but I do know that she will remain my daughter...

 

Signing off this thread with this everlasting song to remind us...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7qQ6_RV4VQ

[Mockngbrd]

[Ingenius]

What about those who go overseas join isis ? Pursue or not ?

[Staff69]

eh, you sure? see the likes of @staff69, @mustank, @mockngbrd and you say not addictive???

 

i worry for u

 

 

that cos you not getting any piak piak

[Heartlander]

What about those who go overseas join isis ? Pursue or not ?

Judging by what some here advocate, no no so long as he/she never harm anyone (yet). It is up to his family/friend to do anything if they want to. Whatever happen outside the country stay out of the country.

[Tianmo]

To me................drug is drug.............if one takes drug he takes drug...............it doesnt matter he take it at home or 5000 miles away from home..........if a drug misleads him..........it can do it at home or in hell..............drug doesnt pick a date or ask permission to destroy you............

 

does location of consumption matters???............taking drug in Singapore and taking tn in USA will feel different ???...........or will a person  behave differently taking the same drug at a different location???............    

Edited November 5, 2015 by Tianmo

[GLZT]

Ask for the drug receipt from the country that legally sells them to prove innocence. No receipt = guilty.

[Heartlander]

Ask for the drug receipt from the country that legally sells them to prove innocence. No receipt = guilty.

Good thing you are not running LTA, they are better than you pardon my frankness.

[GLZT]

Good thing you are not running LTA, they are better than you pardon my frankness.

Its a joke. What does this gotta do with lta? Goodness.

[1fast1]

You know I'm not from here. I grew up in a place where drugs were illegal but readily available. I've seen many friends/peers who've never even smoked cigarettes (me included!) but have tried weed (me as well). It's a quick hit, buzz lasts long and damn cheap 'cos the joint one rolls is shared between 2/3 friends. And you get a lot of lolz 

 

Lucky for me, I had enough friends who didn't smoke weed so when those other fellows moved onto harder stuff... I just moved away.

 

And the guys who did move to even more harder stuff? They had/have a tough life. I'm saddened to say a couple have lost their lives. Many more never completed their degrees. Many still can't hold a damn job. Even among my friends/peers who have only used weed... even with this small sample size... there is a measurable health effect on their memory and strength...

 

But quiet a few, have cleaned up. Those that did step back from the abyss... didn't do it 'cos weed was less addictive... it was only due to the strength of their character and the support of those around them.

 

You cited Amsterdam... it has always been illegal there as well... just never enforced. They used to have a laissez-faire attitude to growing and consuming weed... but not any longer. They've clamped down on the coffee shops... some districts have banned tourists from them so as to discourage that part of the lifestyle.

 

Spain is now picking up a lot of that part of the business... while the Netherlands is looking at how the US is currently regulating the weed business to see if it can be implemented there.

 

And in the US... where it is also legal to sell/consume alcohol/tobacco, it was also illegal to consume weed. Now recently... 4 (?) states out of their 51 allows for commercial sale/use of weed... others are still debating.

 

The change in attitude in some of the states in the US isn't because the DEA/FDA have decided, "my bad... weed wasn't as bad as we thought"... it's more 'cos they felt regulating an open sale is better than pushing it underground where the harder stuff is available. That and the fact that many enforcement officers felt it was a strain on their resources when they can be going after the real criminals.

 

But let's not kid ourselves... marijuana is a gateway drug to harder stuff. Alcohol/tobacco are not.

Bro, thanks for your measured response, and my apologies for the late reply. I'd more or less given up on this thread because I increasingly tire of expressing my opinions here (and on most Sg forums). But I decided that you, at least, deserve a proper reply unlike many others.

 

So here it is: thank you for pointing out the formal illegality of marijuana in Holland, I had not known that. However, the lack of enforcement does suggest a real de facto tolerance to the sale of the product in the special coffee shops. The situation might be changing though, as I understand the Dutch government is getting stricter. Ironic, considering the US is becoming more lax.

 

As for alcohol not being a gateway drug, I'm afraid I must disagree. There is academic literature, such as this: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1746-1561.2012.00712.x/abstract, that strongly indicates that a socially acceptable drug like alcohol is the true gateway to weed and then ultimately the harder stuff. The fact that we don't see the gateway effect in Singapore is simply because they're so strict about enforcing the proscription against even weed, but if you asked me, they should ban alcohol as well, which really is a very harmful drug (may be even more harmful than weed, as I've mentioned).

 

With that, I've more or less said all I have to on the subject. I realise that pretty much most of my views on most issues are in stark opposition to those held by the majority of people here. Since I don't have the time or energy to keep arguing online, I'm just going to let things be and look forward to a day when I can consider Singapore to be in my personal past tense. May be years, but that day will surely come as I just don't really like it here any more.

 

So cheers bro, and enjoy the holiday.

[Datsun366]

Lets see where this will lead to.

 

Assuming our citizens are allowed to take drugs while overseas. So if a drug addict need to go overseas for work frequently got caught with traces of drugs in his body, and he claimed that it was taken while in overseas trip recently, how you expect the CNB guys to investigate? Accept his words as truth base on his passport records? Or need to fly oversea to try to establish that he indeed took drug while in that country? And how do you know he did not take the drugs locally? Don't you think the local drug business will flourish and a lot social ills as a result?

 

I would think this would definitely be a half-fxxk measure instead of banning it completely. Drugs such as cocaine and weeds are at totally different level from ciggy and alcohol, do not try to lump them together for the sake of arguing. Stealing is a crime, murdering people is also a crime. Do we mete out same punishment for all crimes, or can we pardon all crimes as doing otherwise is half-fxxk measure? We should punish base on severity of the crime committed, period.

I would postulate that prevention of drug taking is the key focus, not persecution of a 'victimless crime'.

Mr Turbo, you know the Russian dolls, the drugs are still linked to bad things like financing illegal activities. Not to mention the poor exploited people who grow these plants. Those govt strip a source of lucrative income from the bad guys by legalizing it, it does not mean they stand and agree on smoking a joint. Those biker dudes, yah beer gut and Harley's, make lots of money. The California HA.

Else those that tiok toto or sold MCF could invest in a weed cafe in the nederlands, jawohl?

All the M6 for everyday of the week.

Now wouldn't that be a dream.