Malaysian students in S'pore

[Voodooman]

 

By their own, perhaps you are right that they are most inclined to reside long term without relinquishing their citizenship.

 

But I guess the reason why they are provided an education in SGP since young is because they are also the group that most willing to settle here long term, marrying Sporeans, and starting a family here. Reasons due to similar culture, language and proximity. After starting a family they are inclined to convert to Sporean.

 

I have many Uni Malaysian friends who are Sporeans today. Main driving motivation is that they married Sporean, had kids, and for the kids sake, they converted themselves.

 

If 3-4 Msians out of 10 who come here willing to convert, that would have help to boost the local talent pool and the low birth rate that we have. BTW, not everyone can be converted. Only those deemed to be "talent" (at least graduate from Spore Unis or being PR for a darn long time)

 

And finally, unlike other foreigners, Malaysians cannot just withdraw their cpf anytime they like when they feel like going home. They have to wait until 55, so that sort of prolong their stay here and hopefully, start a family here and convert.

 

It all boils back down to the fact that being a small country, we need talents to survive and if we don't produce enough, we just need to get it from our neighbor who has the least issue in integrating into our society.

tHat is so true, so many Malaysians (PR and ex Malaysians) have contributed to Singapore development. They are still Malaysians but few are ever going back, not with bro najib and Umno running around unchecked up north.

[Pinobii]

I think its only fair for these foreigners to pay more than locals, regardless of whether Malaysians or not

 

During my sec school days, my school has alot of malaysians n most of them came from well to do families, after sec sch, some went on to jc but most went overseas after that

 

Singapore education is just a stepping stone for them, some never came back to work in sg

 

Well, why should we subsidize school fees for Malaysians just because of proximity

 

If Singaporeans wanna go study in Malaysia, do u think we will even be getting any subsidy at all?

[Xanavi]

I think its only fair for these foreigners to pay more than locals, regardless of whether Malaysians or not

 

During my sec school days, my school has alot of malaysians n most of them came from well to do families, after sec sch, some went on to jc but most went overseas after that

 

Singapore education is just a stepping stone for them, some never came back to work in sg

 

Well, why should we subsidize school fees for Malaysians just because of proximity

 

If Singaporeans wanna go study in Malaysia, do u think we will even be getting any subsidy at all?

Hmmm, this is worth pondering. Not to say we are more developed in our education system now. But if we are the more inferior one, then maybe (Maybe) our government will want to work out something with their Edu ministry.

[Piyopico]

Last time, people have less choice and options, so bo bian. Now can complain Mindef and MP. hahaha...

 

GE2015 has proven that Singaporeans are extremely practical and pragmatic (you give me what I want and I give you my vote). Our parents and grand parents probably think the rot started 30 years ago. The problem with F&B job is the relatively low pay and possibly lack of career advancement. But for the Pinoy and Viet, the package offered here is so much better than what is available back home. Their dreams start the minute they get home. Young Singaporeans who works in F&B have little dreams (sorry, that is a sweeping statement but I don't know how to put it in a politically correct manner).

 

I have little problem motivating my staff due to a high performance culture (they work weekends and public holidays, if necessary) but I have a recurring problem getting my domestic helper to give her best in her work especially when noone is around to supervise her (despite being paid above market). When you are working in a dead end job (the good ones would have moved on or are just there to learn the trade for a limited period), it is kind of hard to feel motivated, so other goodies must be beefed up (but Singaporeans are so practical non monetary candies can only work so long). In a nutshell, we are no longer the gong gong straight straight people of yesterdays. And that is the same reason why many repetitive and low productivity jobs have to be mechanised.

 

F&B needs to pay more $ and benefits to attract good locals, like in Australia or USA, but knowing how squeezed our SME are, this problem will persist. So we have to continue to rely on foreigners. It is circular, can really forgot about hiring locals.

 

Thoughts?

I totally agree.

 

To pay these sectors more we must pay all manual sectors more.

 

The blue collars and the white collars should be getting paid the same salary range like many advanced countries.

 

However Singapore will never get there anytime soon simply because having a meal outside actually costs less than a home cooked meal. No other country has this pricing for food cos we have hawker centers and more than 1000 coffee shops. You will also realize an interesting fact that no other countries has our coffee shop culture in its range of options, availability, 24 hours opening and price. One can get a outside meal at less than a person's one hour wages. Yes. Even the Bhangra and maids can get a meal on this count.

 

There simply is no reason to shift the prices up and the Govt is doing exactly the opposite to try to push down prices or at least maintain it by pledging to build 20 new hawker centers by 2020.

 

Yap, no future in F&B. Please dun come in. Leave it to old farts like me to grind out a living.

 

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[Wt_know]

for primary and secondary school ... i do not support for subsidising foreign student

for poly (lesser) and uni (can be slightly more) because poly and uni ... the school already "select the best" for scholarship

by having the "best' to study in singapore ... can motivate (competition) and elevate the standards (one of uni strategy to have international students)

and poly and uni scholars need to work in spore else break bond/scholarship by paying back + interest (i think)

 

I think its only fair for these foreigners to pay more than locals, regardless of whether Malaysians or not

During my sec school days, my school has alot of malaysians n most of them came from well to do families, after sec sch, some went on to jc but most went overseas after that

Singapore education is just a stepping stone for them, some never came back to work in sg

Well, why should we subsidize school fees for Malaysians just because of proximity

If Singaporeans wanna go study in Malaysia, do u think we will even be getting any subsidy at all?

 

Edited October 4, 2015 by Wt_know

[Piyopico]

Have you wondered why our workplace toilet is habitually dirty by vomit?

 

Because the younger ones work with us they also vomit non stop

 

 

 

it works both ways

Awwww.... Poor thing.

 

It's only fair, after all we the ELDERLY have been cleaning their butts, picking up shit and wiping urine the rest of the time.

 

Hmmmm. Does this qualify as dirty talk and gets me a ban?

 

😁

[Voodooman]

I totally agree.

 

To pay these sectors more we must pay all manual sectors more.

 

The blue collars and the white collars should be getting paid the same salary range like many advanced countries.

 

However Singapore will never get there anytime soon simply because having a meal outside actually costs less than a home cooked meal. No other country has this pricing for food cos we have hawker centers and more than 1000 coffee shops. You will also realize an interesting fact that no other countries has our coffee shop culture in its range of options, availability, 24 hours opening and price. One can get a outside meal at less than a person's one hour wages. Yes. Even the Bhangra and maids can get a meal on this count.

 

There simply is no reason to shift the prices up and the Govt is doing exactly the opposite to try to push down prices or at least maintain it by pledging to build 20 new hawker centers by 2020.

 

Yap, no future in F&B. Please dun come in. Leave it to old farts like me to grind out a living.

 

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I am sure there is money to be made for the boss but this business is not easy, rental and labour will always be challenging in Singapore.

[edwin15]

Actually I do not understand the whole purpose of this discussion.

 

If Malaysians like the Singapore education so much and want come to Singapore to study so that they can better contribute to Singapore then the natural step is to become a Singapore citizen. All the benefits of subsidised education and responsibilities will naturally follow.

 

If they are unwillingly to become Singaporean citizens for various reasons or interests, then I say why the need to subsidise their Education. In fact if we use UK and US as the benchmark, even with the new revisions, primary to JC education is still at subsidised rates for ASEAN foreign students. These subsidies are borne to a large extent by Singaporean citizens in the form of taxpayer monies and I do not see why we should allow foreigners to benefit.

 

We can of course always argue that many Malaysians have contributed to Singapore by staying here to work and also paying Singapore taxes. But my question in this case is if whether Malaysians who work in Singapore do so because they want to contribute to Singapore or because it better serves their own self interest. I might be wrong but I strongly suspect it is due to self interest. And if it is self interest, then I feel that what they are paying in Singapore is just a necessary cost and expense and should be used for the benefit of Singaporeans for providing them with the platform to fulfil their objectives.

 

I also would like to point out that Singapore citizens have obligations to Singapore that non-citizens do not have. National Service immediately comes to mind.

 

Finally I would like to end this with a blow below the belt (Below the belt as it is just one person and not reflective of all Malaysians working in Singapore but I can't resist singling out this person) by giving special mention to a certain Malaysian born lady's "contribution" to Singapore;

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saw_Phaik_Hwa

 

http://www.asiaone.com/print/News/Latest+News/Singapore/Story/A1Story20120319-334333.html

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/people/person.asp?personId=7998630&privcapId=2445834

 

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/saw-phaik-hwa-defends-lavish-spending-in-tnp-exclusive.html

[Wt_know]

the discussion is about should singapore raise school fees for foreign students (ie the most affected are msian students from johor)

if no, why keep it low to benefit msia students across the causeway

PR kids ... it's a no brainer that the parent want to keep their origin citizenship ...

 

Actually I do not understand the whole purpose of this discussion.

 

Edited October 4, 2015 by Wt_know

[t0y0ta]

With the increasing racism and hostile race politics in MY, I feel that more Malaysian Chinese/Indian will want to study/work in SG.

 

Actually the ones I know (for example my best friend is Malaysian with SG wife), they study early years in MY (cheap cheap) then move here to study JC/poly/uni onwards. After that work and earn SG dollars.

 

Those that need to do daily cross border commute to study - I really sympathise with them... may be better for them to just study in Johore during early years than to waste so many hours commuting everyday.

 

One key differentiator they have is language - they are usually effectively quad-lingual. Mandarin, English, Malay and usual at least 1 dialect (Hokkien or Cantonese). SGians now mainly mono-lingual - only singlish. Mandarin is super CMI, Dialect only know the swear words.

 

When you cover regional work (South east asia or greater china), that why they can really shine in terms of communication abilities.

[Wt_know]

yes ... from primary to secondary school ... it's better to study in msia

english + chinese + malay + dialect = sup sup water

to maintain high standard of english and chinese ... just take extra learning at branded tuition centre (if necessary)

in such arrangement still better to wake up 4am to come to school at 7am and return home don't know what time

the entire childhood experience are gone with the causeway jams and daily commuting ...

mindset la ... the jb parent think spore school is higher standard so worth it

10-15 years ago ... top students from poly and uni are mostly from msia ... now PRC ...

studying and growing up in msia also more street-smart

 

One key differentiator they have is language - they are usually effectively quad-lingual. Mandarin, English, Malay and usual at least 1 dialect (Hokkien or Cantonese). SGians now mainly mono-lingual - only singlish. Mandarin is super CMI, Dialect only know the swear words.

 

Edited October 4, 2015 by Wt_know

[Playtime]

You really need to get off that chair and try to understand why certain policies are in place.

 

The aim is to get them to understand, experience, make friends and like Singapore while they are here.

 

Yes. Most end up going back but we gain from those who stay coz they are the cream.

 

We gain even when loads of them go back cos these people end up being the leaders and decision makers, owners of businesses etc in their own countries. With their links, understanding of Singapore, friends they know from here etc, we hope to have an edge in future when it comes to all things related to politics or business.

 

Yes. Not all goes to plan. Unless you have a better plan. If not why get so bitter. Start looking at the glass being half full........ It is 70% full by the way. Dun stir. Calm water is good.

 

Have a good weekend.

My god.... did you just copy a 20 year (at least) old govt press statement explaining the awarding of scholarships, cos I swear I read it before. Do you even understand the context?

The intention back then was arguably altruistic, the students were meant to go back and contribute to their countries while hopefully remembering Singapore.

 

 

Now... what is the India China scholarship about now??

Don't just parrot old press statements.

 

And : "It is 70% full by the way. Dun stir. Calm water is good"... smart alex comment, don't be lame...

[Piyopico]

My god.... did you just copy a 20 year (at least) old govt press statement explaining the awarding of scholarships, cos I swear I read it before. Do you even understand the context?

The intention back then was arguably altruistic, the students were meant to go back and contribute to their countries while hopefully remembering Singapore.

 

 

Now... what is the India China scholarship about now??

Don't just parrot old press statements.

 

And : "It is 70% full by the way. Dun stir. Calm water is good"... smart alex comment, don't be lame...

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There are political forums. Take your agenda there. Last post for me.

 

My dogs wanna belly rub.

 

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[Atonchia]

Actually I do not understand the whole purpose of this discussion.

 

If Malaysians like the Singapore education so much and want come to Singapore to study so that they can better contribute to Singapore then the natural step is to become a Singapore citizen. All the benefits of subsidised education and responsibilities will naturally follow.

 

If they are unwillingly to become Singaporean citizens for various reasons or interests, then I say why the need to subsidise their Education. In fact if we use UK and US as the benchmark, even with the new revisions, primary to JC education is still at subsidised rates for ASEAN foreign students. These subsidies are borne to a large extent by Singaporean citizens in the form of taxpayer monies and I do not see why we should allow foreigners to benefit.

 

We can of course always argue that many Malaysians have contributed to Singapore by staying here to work and also paying Singapore taxes. But my question in this case is if whether Malaysians who work in Singapore do so because they want to contribute to Singapore or because it better serves their own self interest. I might be wrong but I strongly suspect it is due to self interest. And if it is self interest, then I feel that what they are paying in Singapore is just a necessary cost and expense and should be used for the benefit of Singaporeans for providing them with the platform to fulfil their objectives.

 

I also would like to point out that Singapore citizens have obligations to Singapore that non-citizens do not have. National Service immediately comes to mind.

 

Finally I would like to end this with a blow below the belt (Below the belt as it is just one person and not reflective of all Malaysians working in Singapore but I can't resist singling out this person) by giving special mention to a certain Malaysian born lady's "contribution" to Singapore;

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saw_Phaik_Hwa

 

http://www.asiaone.com/print/News/Latest+News/Singapore/Story/A1Story20120319-334333.html

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/people/person.asp?personId=7998630&privcapId=2445834

 

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/saw-phaik-hwa-defends-lavish-spending-in-tnp-exclusive.html

 

She was good ok.

Her business acumen help SMRT made tons on money by letting out retail spaces.

 

But the lack of focus in the core services, indirectly or directly lead to the downfall of Raymond and Tuck Yew.

 

[Playtime]

 

She was good ok.

Her business acumen help SMRT made tons on money by letting out retail spaces.

 

But the lack of focus in the core services, indirectly or directly lead to the downfall of Raymond and Tuck Yew.

 

Yeah she was given a job, apparently it was to up profits at all cost.

She delivered all right. .. blame the people who put her there for not getting the priority right.

 

And I don't have sympathy for lty either. Cannot blame him for Saw. But he is at fault for the current ceo.

[Lala81]

Yeah she was given a job, apparently it was to up profits at all cost.

She delivered all right. .. blame the people who put her there for not getting the priority right.

 

And I don't have sympathy for lty either. Cannot blame him for Saw. But he is at fault for the current ceo.

 

Stay on the thread's topic.

Edited October 5, 2015 by Lala81

[Darryn]

the discussion is about should singapore raise school fees for foreign students (ie the most affected are msian students from johor)

if no, why keep it low to benefit msia students across the causeway

PR kids ... it's a no brainer that the parent want to keep their origin citizenship ...

 

Actually I thought the discussion was about raising fees for PR students -

Fees for FOREIGN students are, and should be a different matter altogether.

[Kyrios]

I wonder what's the big outcry..

 

the parents probably work here and earn the newer exchange rate in Sing which they bring back and spend like a king back in MY..so when you average it out..they don't lose much...

 

And the typical strategy of most Malaysians these days..the MY wife will convert to Singaporean but the MY husband will not..leaving them to enjoy the best of 2 worlds...