BPL 15/16 - The New Season Part 1

[Osprey23]

After all the English jornos coming out yesterday claiming that Gotze is keen to join Liverpool in summer, Bild has ran a piece today claiming Gotze prefers to return to BVB.

[Little_prince]

i got feeling manure might sell looney to china.

 

good money for the club. high salary for shrek. unlimited buffet of whores.

 

no reason for rooney not to go

 

dun think he will get many chances at Bayern, unless their star striker Lewandoski leaves for Real Madrid or Man City

 

Muller, Gotze, Robben all capable to play upfront too

 

he will be better at Man Utd

 

maybe Man Utd can do a cash/player exchange (Rooney? lol) with Everton

 

[Yuan]

i got feeling manure might sell looney to china.

 

good money for the club. high salary for shrek. unlimited buffet of whores.

 

no reason for rooney not to go

 

Rooney won't go to China.

 

Because in China, they don't play the "P" and Rooney loves the "P" and he plays the "P".

 

So he stays at Old Trafford and plays the "P" to make Man United a mid table team.

[Little_prince]

Rooney won't go to China.

 

Because in China, they don't play the "P" and Rooney loves the "P" and he plays the "P".

 

So he stays at Old Trafford and plays the "P" to make Man United a mid table team.

With the revenue manure pulls in unlikely to be mid table or lower.

 

More likely to be TOP half of the table

 

Hopefully every year 5th to 7th or so.

[Yuan]

Beg to differ but I don't think the English clubs were playing diamond midfield during their prime. Wenger's invincible and SAF's dominant team are playing more of a 4-4-1-1 with support striker. See images attached.

 

Dimond is recent years I can think of AC Milan with Ancelotti and Liverpool with BR. It is not a very popular system as it requires 2 things. Attacking full backs to provide the width (which is now getting more and more common in other systems) and more importantly, a registra. AC Milan then utilised it to better effect as they had Pirlo as the registra. Pool's system though, not that balanced because Gerrard was a made-shift registra which BR thought that it is a position any talented midfielder can play. Hence for a diamond, the holding mid so far I have seen are usually a deep-lying player maker instead of a destroyer.

 

Also, another fundamental difference is that for a diamond, the central midfield can be consider to have 3 players (registra and 2 shuttlers) but all other 4-4-x formations only has 2 (destroyer and b2b).

 

The current most popular formation is still 4-2-3-1 and similarly, with a central 2, having a destroyer there is crucial in maintaining the midfield solidarity as well.

 

Thanks for clarifying and this is true.

 

SAF's Manchester United team of the 90s and 00s do not have a DM in its formation and that is because that old man does not believe much in the role of a DM. Something which Johan Cruyff had invented and created in his Dream Team with Pep Guardiola as his first DM.

[Little_prince]

Thanks for clarifying and this is true.

 

SAF's Manchester United team of the 90s and 00s do not have a DM in its formation and that is because that old man does not believe much in the role of a DM. Something which Johan Cruyff had invented and created in his Dream Team with Pep Guardiola as his first DM.

Ince and Keane not considered DM?

[Yuan]

Ince and Keane not considered DM?

 

I think not.

 

But i could be wrong.

 

There were a few articles about "defensive midfielder" not too long ago and it was quoted that SAF was not a fan and he had not considered any of his players a DM role during his tenure at the hot seat at Old Trafford.

 

I stand corrected.

[Othello]

Ince and Keane not considered DM?

 

I think the position of DM was not so clearly defined last time. Nowadays you have specialist in that who were very focused on their task. 

 

Ince and Keane definitely were more skillful than the DMs of today, but they were also sort of enforcer. They offer much more than a DM

 

today. Lets just call them midfield HARD men 

 

 

Last time not so defnesive lah, have DM protecting back 4. 

[Yuan]

can add david seaman to the list?

 

He was supposedly the last good england keeper........

 

He was also very good at Arsenal.

 

I was rooting for the Gunners to retain the Cup Winners Cup until Nayim decided to try the loop at the 120th minute.

[Little_prince]

I think the position of DM was not so clearly defined last time. Nowadays you have specialist in that who were very focused on their task.

 

Ince and Keane definitely were more skillful than the DMs of today, but they were also sort of enforcer. They offer much more than a DM

 

today. Lets just call them midfield HARD men

 

 

Last time not so defnesive lah, have DM protecting back 4.

I thought it's the other way round.

 

Last time DM more specialised while modern footballers more all rounded

 

Goes to show that many interpretations to the same game.

 

Ball is round

[Little_prince]

He was also very good at Arsenal.

 

I was rooting for the Gunners to retain the Cup Winners Cup until Nayim decided to try the loop at the 120th minute.

Actually David semen time had quite a few good goalkeepers

 

Nigel martyn and tim flowers were also pretty good. Just that not so high profile as semen played for a bigger club

[Yuan]

I think the position of DM was not so clearly defined last time. Nowadays you have specialist in that who were very focused on their task. 

 

Ince and Keane definitely were more skillful than the DMs of today, but they were also sort of enforcer. They offer much more than a DM

 

today. Lets just call them midfield HARD men 

 

 

Last time not so defnesive lah, have DM protecting back 4. 

 

In my opinion, Ince and Keane are the ""pai kia" in the midfield.

 

Of course, you cannot compare them to grand old like Vinny Jones.

[Little_prince]

In my opinion, Ince and Keane are the ""pai kia" in the midfield.

 

Of course, you cannot compare them to grand old like Vinny Jones.

Everytime I think DM. I always got image of of tough as nails bad boys type

 

Can't really think of a civilised DM

[Shorty]

keane n viera are DMs la. for me, as long as they are midfielders n their task is more defensive, they are DM. hence the name defensive midfielder. 

[Spring]

keane n viera are DMs la. for me, as long as they are midfielders n their task is more defensive, they are DM. hence the name defensive midfielder. 

 

I tend to agree with you.

 

Though there are different variations and interpretations, put it simply midfielders who tend to be more defensive should be classified DMs even though some tend to bring the ball up as well, whilst the attacking ones can be classified as creators as well though they obviously vary.

 

Eg of a DM that is really defensive is Makelele, hardly crosses the halfway line and his job is just to shield, win the ball only. Then there are some deep lying midfielders who are actually creators like Fabregas and Pirlo. Attacking midfielders can be an anomaly as well, Lampard is almost a secondary striker and the list goes on. No need to complicate matters of the beautiful game, just enjoy!! 

[Yuan]

Actually David semen time had quite a few good goalkeepers

 

Nigel martyn and tim flowers were also pretty good. Just that not so high profile as semen played for a bigger club

 

Nigel Martyn did an excellent job during that time with Crystal Palace.

 

I consider him to be on par or good enough to take over the No. 1 spot in the England team.

 

Tim Flowers was good but in my opinion, Seaman and Nigel were ahead of him.

[Galantspeedz]

I think the position of DM was not so clearly defined last time. Nowadays you have specialist in that who were very focused on their task. 

 

Ince and Keane definitely were more skillful than the DMs of today, but they were also sort of enforcer. They offer much more than a DM

 

today. Lets just call them midfield HARD men 

 

 

Last time not so defnesive lah, have DM protecting back 4. 

 

quick question... is vinny jones a DM?

He was also very good at Arsenal.

 

I was rooting for the Gunners to retain the Cup Winners Cup until Nayim decided to try the loop at the 120th minute.

 

tell me about it........ lose to such a goal... 

 

at least they won it the year before against the favourites Parma which had tomas brolin and asprilla...... i watched that match.......

 

my very first wager on soccer.... $5 bet lol

Everytime I think DM. I always got image of of tough as nails bad boys type

 

Can't really think of a civilised DM

 

robbie savage... never had a red card if i rem correctly.... lol

Edited March 30, 2016 by Galantspeedz

[Spring]

Nigel Martyn did an excellent job during that time with Crystal Palace.

 

I consider him to be on par or good enough to take over the No. 1 spot in the England team.

 

Tim Flowers was good but in my opinion, Seaman and Nigel were ahead of him.

 

That's why I said England always produces good goalies till recent times only but that's partly cos of the influx of foreigners to the EPL.

 

Read reports of last night's game and it seems now the CB position is vulnerable when not too long ago they had Terry, Ferdinand and previously Campbell, Adams, Butcher etc. Another strong England position. Stones seem to be caught in possession often and Smalling was unsure. Think it will be Cahill and Jagielka partnership at this Euros?