BPL 15/16 - The New Season Part 1

[Osprey23]

he every year also got war chest........ but he ownself choose to go to war with only a fork and spoon lol

£40m on Ozil and £32m for Sanchez still consider using fork and spoon meh? Then Pool how?

[Galantspeedz]

Said many times here already, he is damn stubborn.

 

Whilst you must admire him for his steadfast beliefs and insistence on value buys, this may ultimately cause his downfall. Arsenal have a good balance of players (youths and big money signings like Ozil and Sanchez). Just simply adding a strong presence in DM or thereabouts aka Vieira and Petit type of players, possibly a striker n maybe a CB and you got a Championship winning squad!!  

 

The strong midfielder was a must but his excuse was then what about Coq? Can't they both co-exist?

True enough Coq got injured and makeshift DMs covered. Don't want to pour salt into an injured Arsenal so will not say more but a real waste as this year I said from early on could be Gunners year. It can still be of course but you should be running away with the title this of all years, sorry.......

 

let's see what he does the next pre season... maybe he could not find a DM he feels is better than Coq.... the same reason for not buying a striker......

 

but we also have to agree when a world class player is on the market, he has been willing to splash the clash...... ozil, sanchez and cech

£40m on Ozil and £32m for Sanchez still consider using fork and spoon meh? Then Pool how?

 

we only buy 1 player a year....... you all buy a new team every year leh...... 

[Spring]

 

but we also have to agree when a world class player is on the market, he has been willing to splash the clash...... ozil, sanchez and cech

 

 

He only buys if there is no bidding war. Cech and Sanchez only wanted to move to London clubs so hence he faced no opposition. Ozil I believe somewhat similar though I can't remember the exact details.

 

Point I'm making is that there are DMs, strikers available but obviously have to overpay cos it's Arsenal/EPL club who wants to buy. Carrot Head sometimes have to be provided Manager feels it's the correct buy and not too much carrot head cos competition from other clubs is there.

 

Trouble with Wenger is that the minute price goes up even by abit, he backs out cos he feels it's overpaying. Yes, he sets a standard that Arsenal will not pay over the odds, fine but at what price?? This attitude is the difference between finishing 4th and being potential champs I'm afraid.

[Galantspeedz]

 

 

But then the paying fans with the tickets priced highest (or among the highest) in EPL want more for their money or ego.

 

 

 

believe i spoke on this matter couple of times.. it is most expensive when you want the best seats but for the average joe.... it is cheaper than quite a few clubs especially if you consider they are based in London

 

for season ticket, this is a simplistic view but if you noticed on a per match basis, chelsea is slightly higher than arsenal while man u is only cheaper by $2 because arsenal provides 26 games while most provide 21 games

 

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/news/2015-16/oct/081015-premier-league-overview-of-ticket-prices.html

 

then for single match day tickets, arsenal is actually in the lower half of the table for cheapest ticket but highest for most expensive ticket... 

 

this will mean those that can afford is paying more but those that cannot are on the lower end will also have a chance to catch a match

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/ticket-prices-how-much-does-it-cost-to-watch-your-team-a6694486.html

 

And man u has a rule that all season ticket holders must buy home cup matches tickets

 

Subject to certain exceptions, Season Ticket Holders are required to purchase a ticket for all home cup matches and must provide card details which will be used by the Club to make these purchases. Season Ticket Holders can opt out of purchasing League Cup tickets and under 16 Season Ticket Holders can opt out of purchasing tickets for the FA Cup / UEFA Champions League / UEFA Europa Cup - please see your renewal pack for full details.

 

Any Season Ticket Holder that opts out of a home cup match will receive lower priority in any ballot held if we are oversubscribed with applications for any away match, semi-final and/or cup final in any competition.

 

The number of home cup games to be played will depend on how successful the team is, and whether it is drawn at home. The price of tickets for all home matches (which may vary for different competitions) can be found by visitingwww.manutd.com/ticketprices.

 

Failure to make payments may result in a ticket suspension, please see Terms and Conditions

 

http://www.manutd.com/en/Club/FAQs/Ticketing/Question-15.aspx

[Galantspeedz]

He only buys if there is no bidding war. Cech and Sanchez only wanted to move to London clubs so hence he faced no opposition. Ozil I believe somewhat similar though I can't remember the exact details.

 

Point I'm making is that there are DMs, strikers available but obviously have to overpay cos it's Arsenal/EPL club who wants to buy. Carrot Head sometimes have to be provided Manager feels it's the correct buy and not too much carrot head cos competition from other clubs is there.

 

Trouble with Wenger is that the minute price goes up even by abit, he backs out cos he feels it's overpaying. Yes, he sets a standard that Arsenal will not pay over the odds, fine but at what price?? This attitude is the difference between finishing 4th and being potential champs I'm afraid.

 

bidding war with? RM, Barca, Bayern, Man C, PSG, Chelsea, etc? Sorry can't fight..... 

 

Cech i believe yes he wants to remain in london. but i don't think there is basis to say for sanchez and ozil there were no opposition...... either would i think madrid and barca would have been stupid enough to only want to sell to arsenal....... players like this would have been on everyone's radar......

 

your last paragraph is actually interesting because leicester is proving everyone wrong and to a certaain extent proving wenger is right.....  

[Spring]

bidding war with? RM, Barca, Bayern, Man C, PSG, Chelsea, etc? Sorry can't fight..... 

 

Cech i believe yes he wants to remain in london. but i don't think there is basis to say for sanchez and ozil there were no opposition...... either would i think madrid and barca would have been stupid enough to only want to sell to arsenal....... players like this would have been on everyone's radar......

 

your last paragraph is actually interesting because leicester is proving everyone wrong and to a certaain extent proving wenger is right.....  

Firstly, Leicester has not won but I'll be the first to congratulate them if they win which would be the first team in 23 years of EPL history where a budget team wins so do you want to be part of 22/23 or 1/23 (if they win)? So Wenger is not right cos if he is, you would be running away with the title by now and there wouldn't be an uproar by so many ex-players n pundits alike.

 

Secondly, I'm not advocating going into a bidding war with the big boys as Arsenal on their own can and have attracted players through their history, location etc so not necessarily pay more secures but you do have to pay higher than average cos you are a big club. If you want to be considered a big club, you have to pay big money and not have a scrooge mentality. The saying pay peanuts to get monkeys is very apt. We all know you can get value buys but we talking about the cream here to win silverware.

 

Value buys are always picked up by the smaller teams cos they can afford to bed these guys. Seldom does a big team get value buys. Stupid I know but that's how it pans out normally though obviously there are exceptions.

 

Anyway, just voicing my opinion so feel free to disagree, cheers!!

[Osprey23]

let's see what he does the next pre season... maybe he could not find a DM he feels is better than Coq.... the same reason for not buying a striker......

 

but we also have to agree when a world class player is on the market, he has been willing to splash the clash...... ozil, sanchez and cech

 

 

we only buy 1 player a year....... you all buy a new team every year leh......

No wor, we buy half the team and farm out some to U21 or loan to others.

 

Things will change this summer.

[Galantspeedz]

No wor, we buy half the team and farm out some to U21 or loan to others.

 

Things will change this summer.

Buying 2.teams instead?

[Galantspeedz]

Firstly, Leicester has not won but I'll be the first to congratulate them if they win which would be the first team in 23 years of EPL history where a budget team wins so do you want to be part of 22/23 or 1/23 (if they win)? So Wenger is not right cos if he is, you would be running away with the title by now and there wouldn't be an uproar by so many ex-players n pundits alike.

 

Secondly, I'm not advocating going into a bidding war with the big boys as Arsenal on their own can and have attracted players through their history, location etc so not necessarily pay more secures but you do have to pay higher than average cos you are a big club. If you want to be considered a big club, you have to pay big money and not have a scrooge mentality. The saying pay peanuts to get monkeys is very apt. We all know you can get value buys but we talking about the cream here to win silverware.

 

Value buys are always picked up by the smaller teams cos they can afford to bed these guys. Seldom does a big team get value buys. Stupid I know but that's how it pans out normally though obviously there are exceptions.

 

Anyway, just voicing my opinion so feel free to disagree, cheers!!

Like I mentioned, buying a DM is possible but not a.striker... no striker was on the market..DM there were some but not sure if they are a step above coq

 

True Leicester has not won but they are showing that money is not everything

 

Then you mentioned that there were no opposition and both ozil and sanchez preferred london... but for ozil, spurs was competing and sanchez had pool in the mix...if you say you don't expect arsenal to compete with the rich clubs then aren't pool and spurs the opposition?

 

Do you really think the reason sanchez refuse to go pool was solely because of london?

Edited March 1, 2016 by Galantspeedz

[Osprey23]

Value buys are always picked up by the smaller teams cos they can afford to bed these guys. Seldom does a big team get value buys. Stupid I know but that's how it pans out normally though obviously there are exceptions.

 

Anyway, just voicing my opinion so feel free to disagree, cheers!!

Bro, I think Klopp might be disappointing you very soon cos signing unknown on the cheap or value buy is what he enjoys doing. However, with the backing from the owners, he might get in 1 or 2 above £20m players to strengthen the first team.

 

I think bottom line is still to have a common strategy from top down from the owners. If Arsenal's board is happy with how Wenger is dealing on the transfer front, that's all matter to Wenger. Anyway, I also hope Wenger this window will pass on some young French talents and go buy some big names

[Osprey23]

Do you really think the reason sanchez refuse to go pool was solely because of london?

He didn't refuse outright but rather we couldn't convince him to ditch Arsenal for us.

 

Barcelona wanted him to join Pool so that they get a higher fee. However, Arsenal was well in advance in talks with him prior to that. Wenger flew to Brazil during WC to meet him our ex manager was sun tanning elsewhere with his new girlfriend.

 

So, when putting everything in perspective, Liverpool vs London and BR vs Wenger, the choice is not too difficult isn't it?

Edited March 1, 2016 by Osprey23

[Spring]

Bro, I think Klopp might be disappointing you very soon cos signing unknown on the cheap or value buy is what he enjoys doing. However, with the backing from the owners, he might get in 1 or 2 above £20m players to strengthen the first team.

 

I think bottom line is still to have a common strategy from top down from the owners. If Arsenal's board is happy with how Wenger is dealing on the transfer front, that's all matter to Wenger. Anyway, I also hope Wenger this window will pass on some young French talents and go buy some big names

 

I'm not against value buys per se. But I do feel that if u want to compete for the title which Arsenal are right now, they have to get 1-2 more top notch signings. My take is Arsenal willing to buy but Wenger will not buy unless he perceives them to be of value (his value not market value).

 

Pool is at the rebuilding stage and with Stadium commitments, I can see some wisdom in this approach but down the road I expect more investment player wise. Obviously, like Arsenal previously, Pool fans and Board have to be patient and expect barren years till the fruit is ready.

 

I think this is a fair and reasonable approach and not forgetting that a professional football club's main objective is to achieve success and not to be obsess with having a fat bank balance though obviously if can achieve both that will be ideal but unlikely right?

[Osprey23]

I'm not against value buys per se. But I do feel that if u want to compete for the title which Arsenal are right now, they have to get 1-2 more top notch signings. My take is Arsenal willing to buy but Wenger will not buy unless he perceives them to be of value (his value not market value).

 

Pool is at the rebuilding stage and with Stadium commitments, I can see some wisdom in this approach but down the road I expect more investment player wise. Obviously, like Arsenal previously, Pool fans and Board have to be patient and expect barren years till the fruit is ready.

 

I think this is a fair and reasonable approach and not forgetting that a professional football club's main objective is to achieve success and not to be obsess with having a fat bank balance though obviously if can achieve both that will be ideal but unlikely right?

Agree. No point keeping money in the bank but nothing much to show for in the trophy cabinet. FSG only looking for healthy financial status, meaning club is running in a sustainable model. Making money is through the football operation never in their mind. They are looking at the profit at the end of it, when there is another rich man willing to with massive amount to buy over from them. At this stage, they are only looking at investors. Not selling yet.

[Osprey23]

Biggest casualty in Klopp's summer clear out is likely to be Benteke.

 

Crystal Palace are reportedly keen.

[Shorty]

Hopefully can sell him at abt 20m. Sure make loss...

[Bacteria83]

Liverpool always loss money on big target men, they are making me miss heskey :)

Edited March 1, 2016 by Bacteria83

[Ngseeming]

believe i spoke on this matter couple of times.. it is most expensive when you want the best seats but for the average joe.... it is cheaper than quite a few clubs especially if you consider they are based in London

 

 

I stand corrected.

 

If I am wrong, I apologize.   (sound familiar?) Except that I am wrong and I apologise, no if no but.

 

Couldn't praise you for your detailed presentation.

[Extinguisher]

Hopefully can sell him at abt 20m. Sure make loss...

If the team tactic is just whack the ball to target man, then he is worth 30M. Too bad liverpool tactic is not that. So please don't sell to cheaply.