eXacTo 3rd Gear July 3, 2015 Share July 3, 2015 (edited) Lim Teck Choon (59 years old, unemployed), sold his 3-room flat at Blk 18 Bedok South Rd for $310,000 in December 2010. The buyer, Ms Hani, was unable to meet the deadline and the sales and purchase transaction was cancelled at one point in time. Subsequently, she managed to get a loan, and was allowed an extension to complete the transaction. After the delay, Mr Lim was unwilling to proceed with the sale on the original terms and wanted compensation or an increase in the sales price. However, the sales transaction was completed and since then Mr Lim and his wife have refused to move out of the flat. They have been fined $2,500 for failing to comply with a court order to do so. Last Friday (26 Jun), Mr Lim told the Chinese media that he has received a letter asking him to move out of the flat on the same day by 2.30pm. But he was firm about staying put and said, “They will take my flat over my dead body.” When a reporter from the Chinese press arrived at the flat, he found that the items inside were not packed and there was no indication of Mr and Mrs Lim moving out. Later, at about 3 pm, a group of 5 persons consisting of the bailiff, lawyers and locksmiths, armed with a Writ of Possession, arrived at the flat to take possession of it. A commotion ensued and the police had to intervene. Seeing the group of people coming to take possession of his flat, Mr Lim opened the iron grille gate and started shouting at them. He told them that he was suffering from cancer in its final stage. He had sold his flat to get some cash to buy Chinese herbs for his illness. But after selling the flat, all the proceeds were locked up in his CPF account and he couldn’t touch a single cent. As a result, he refused to move out of his flat. He shouted, “You want me to let you have the flat, but I didn’t get the money! I have appealed to the minister.” When the police arrived, Mr Lim didn’t calm down but continued scolding. In the course of the commotion, Mr Lim dashed towards lawyer Mohd Ibrahim and tried to push him. As the lawyer dodged Mr Lim, Mr Lim lost his balance and fell. The policemen then quickly stepped in to block Mr Lim. A minute or two later, after making sure that Mr Lim posed no harm to the lawyer, the policemen helped him to his feet. As Mr Lim refused to budge, the group went away leaving the court documents behind. Mr Lim said that he is suffering from end stage cancer and is not afraid to go to jail. He repeatedly said that he has nose cancer and the cancerous cells have spread to the lymph nodes. He is a person waiting to die, he said. The doctor told him that it is a miracle he is still alive. He said that the last time the lawyer came to his flat, his wife was so agitated that she had an epilepsy attack. Subsequently, the lady buyer got a court order for Singapore Power to cut off his electricity and water supply. Also, the police have entered his flat to remove his belongings. All these things made him angrier. One may not “see the money” after selling one’s HDB flat An HDB flat has been touted as an asset which can help one’s retirement. Many Singaporeans like Mr Lim think so too. Many people think that selling their HDB flat will help them get out of financial trouble. On the contrary, Mr Lim’s case proves that selling one’s HDB flat does not necessarily give one cash. Mr Lim, a man with a terminal illness, needs cash to seek treatment for a chance to live the last chapter of his life with dignity. He thinks he can do so by cashing in on his sole asset: his HDB flat. Imagine his horror when he finds out that the proceeds of sale which he so desperately needs, are locked away out of his reach because of the CPF Minimum Sum requirement. Presently, those who are 55 years old on or after 1 July 2015 must set aside a Full Retirement Sum (i.e. Minimum Sum for those with no property pledges) in one’s CPF account of $161,000. It’s sad that Mr Lim who is suffering from terminal illness isn’t allowed to use his own CPF money for medical treatment. What is the reason for this? It’s no wonder he is prepared to go to jail because in jail, he would at least enjoy free medical treatment as an inmate. Will the Minister of National Development Khaw Boon Wan make an exception for Mr Lim? What do you think? source: http://www.tremeritus.com/2015/07/02/writ-of-possession-issued-against-man-with-terminal-cancer/ Not sure how accurate this story is .. but seems such a sad case. Sell house but cannot get money to treat his cancer. Is it that difficult to touch the CPF even if may die before reaching 65? Edited July 3, 2015 by eXacTo ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustank Hypersonic July 3, 2015 Share July 3, 2015 house not fully paid, or paid to a substaintial extent, sell house where got get cash? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getzsfv 5th Gear July 3, 2015 Share July 3, 2015 you mean he only knew he wouldn't get a single cent after signing the agreement... dis case not simpur... anyway wishing him all the very best... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vega Turbocharged July 3, 2015 Share July 3, 2015 He should opt for the lease buy back option in order to cash out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enye Hypersonic July 3, 2015 Share July 3, 2015 house not fully paid, or paid to a substaintial extent, sell house where got get cash? even fully paid also must put minimum sum first because of age for a couple who owns the flat, this means 2 x minimum sum going to CPF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustank Hypersonic July 3, 2015 Share July 3, 2015 you mean he only knew he wouldn't get a single cent after signing the agreement... dis case not simpur... anyway wishing him all the very best... hdb chaps no warn him that he aint getting no cash from selling? i think impossible hdb chaps sure got tell him one even fully paid also must put minimum sum first because of age for a couple who owns the flat, this means 2 x minimum sum going to CPF after meeting the minimum sum, remember pay the new medisave hor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman888 Moderator July 3, 2015 Share July 3, 2015 why no one interview the poor woman who complete the deal but never get to stay for 4 years? hdb chaps no warn him that he aint getting no cash from selling? i think impossible hdb chaps sure got tell him one after meeting the minimum sum, remember pay the new medisave hor not the hdb duty to inform but the agent. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustank Hypersonic July 3, 2015 Share July 3, 2015 why no one interview the poor woman who complete the deal but never get to stay for 4 years? 4 years?!?!?!?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getzsfv 5th Gear July 3, 2015 Share July 3, 2015 After 4 years, why are they still in the house???? The new owner so good hearted ah... 4 yrs not 4 mths u know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ysc3 Twincharged July 3, 2015 Share July 3, 2015 why no one interview the poor woman who complete the deal but never get to stay for 4 years? not the hdb duty to inform but the agent. one sided story ... but $310k(selling price) - $160k (min sum) ... still got $150k leh ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jungus 4th Gear July 3, 2015 Share July 3, 2015 why no one interview the poor woman who complete the deal but never get to stay for 4 years? not the hdb duty to inform but the agent. You're probably right, its the agent who should have given proper advice to the seller. But problem is, their only interest is a sale at any cost. Still, it should also be a requirement that sellers like these should get some financial counselling from HDB prior to the sale. I can understand the man's frustration, but yeah, what about the buyer's problem? I'll bet she has pressing needs too... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acemundo Supercharged July 3, 2015 Share July 3, 2015 i believe still got cpf accrued interest to refund back to his cpf account. based on past experience, usually if one only make a small profit (sp - pp), it is not enough to cover the accrued cpf interest and hence it is a 0 cash yield sales. I feel that the CPF minimum sum and accrued interest mechanism should be tempered with some compassion and logic. what is the use of keeping the cpf monies for the future when the person is dying now or in financial dire straits now? one sided story ... but $310k(selling price) - $160k (min sum) ... still got $150k leh ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eXacTo 3rd Gear July 3, 2015 Author Share July 3, 2015 Wonder how this happened: The buyer, Ms Hani, was unable to meet the deadline and the sales and purchase transaction was cancelled at one point in time. Subsequently, she managed to get a loan, and was allowed an extension to complete the transaction. Normally if cancelled, the transaction should be ended, deposit returned or forfeited. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evillusion Supersonic July 3, 2015 Share July 3, 2015 Wonder how this happened: Normally if cancelled, the transaction should be ended, deposit returned or forfeited. maybe cannot get loan from hdb so get loan from bank or vice-versa! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getzsfv 5th Gear July 3, 2015 Share July 3, 2015 maybe cannot get loan from hdb so get loan from bank or vice-versa! Yes, this is very much possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumb 4th Gear July 3, 2015 Share July 3, 2015 If I am no wrong, there is a provision to allow withdrawal of CPF if one is dying or has a terminal illness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kb27 Supersonic July 3, 2015 Share July 3, 2015 min sum is good for those who are still healthy. if you need cash to pay the hosp, for your medicine and other expenses, good luck to you. gahmen still hold your cpf to help you retire...whatever your case may be. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman888 Moderator July 3, 2015 Share July 3, 2015 He told them that he was suffering from cancer in its final stage. He had sold his flat to get some cash to buy Chinese herbs for his illness. But after selling the flat, all the proceeds were locked up in his CPF account and he couldn’t touch a single cent. As a result, he refused to move out of his flat. the story just dun add up.... the deal was done 5 years ago. ↡ Advertisement 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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