SUV: X-Trail or Harrier?

[EG73]

since you stressed on "SUV" in the topic, I will choose X-trail, because Harrier doesn't have the most basic SUV function "AWD",

otherwise, a MPV totally can achieve same function as Harrier with much lower price,

Harrier also have AWD. Unless you go off road the AWD is useless and waste petrol. Petrol for trail with FWD is around 10km/l. AWD 6-8Km/l.

[Axela72]

Any idea which SUV handling is better? Ty

[Quantum]

 

Any idea which SUV handling is better? Ty[/quote

X-trail

[EG73]

Any idea which SUV handling is better? Ty

 

I tested drive Xtrail and now a Harrier owner. Both car loaded with my family of 5, result: passengers behind xtrail complaint uncomfortable as the car move, Harrier don't have this issue. As a driver, I find that at cornering, xtrail is not as stable compare to Harrier. I used to drive an 06 Xtrail, and I find it is much stable compare to the new Xtrail but still not as good as a Harrier.

[Djcoolmax]

Any idea which SUV handling is better? Ty

 

Well.. not exactly the right match but you can see how the X-Trail compares to CRV.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xOGMQt7YOU

[Char]

Which one is a good buy ? Both about the same price and Harrier higher OMV and different about few thousands in OMV, X-trail offer free 2 years servicing and 5 years warranty and PI consider no warranty .

AD VS PI !

2WD VS 4WD !

 

Now the prices for both car are widen ....

 

X-Trail $132800 ( 5 years warranty and 7 times servicing )

OMV $22000 min paft $11400 , depreciate yearly 12k .

 

 

Harrier Elrgance Roof $1418000 ( consider no warranty )

OMV $26000 min paft $11700 , depreciate 13k .

 

Might change my mind to X-Trail if the prices of Harrier remain high despite cheaper COE .

[Melvinyuen]

the Harrier is a better choice in my opinion.

I am also thinking of a Harrier in future rather.

[EG73]

Now the prices for both car are widen ....

 

X-Trail $132800 ( 5 years warranty and 7 times servicing )

OMV $22000 min paft $11400 , depreciate yearly 12k .

 

 

Harrier Elrgance Roof $1418000 ( consider no warranty )

OMV $26000 min paft $11700 , depreciate 13k .

 

Might change my mind to X-Trail if the prices of Harrier remain high despite cheaper COE .

 

Before you decide to go for X-Trail you may want to take note of the following:

 

1. Harrier ARF is higher (26K) compare to Xtrail (22K). Which mean you have a high PARF and resale value for Harrier if you intent to scrap or change car.

2. Harrier (16KM/l) FC is better than Xtrail (12km/l). So your running cost will be lower  if you go for Harrier.

3. Harrier resale value is usually better than Xtrail and Harrier is much easy to sell off. FYI, my old 2006 xtrail unable to sell off myself and I have to let go to PI at below market rate which I lost about 5-6K. 

4. Harrier has less issue compare to Xtrail. Go goggle around for Harrier and xtrail issue and you will know what I mean. Harrier is more reliable and easy to maintenance so it will again save you on maintenance cost.

5. Harrier have a special club (https://www.facebook.com/groups/SG.Harrier/) which you can find a lot of information on issue and upgrade etc. from the harrier brothers. But xtrail, you very much depend on what AD or some website to share information.

 

So you save 1K a year but your running cost, maintenance, resale price etc. will be over it very much.

[sanlynn]

X-Trail or Harrier?

If you are a new comer who buys a new car, buying Harrier may end up like "CHEATED" somewhat. Even though not all PIs are bad, mostly their sale strategy/tactics will make you either cost you more or get less in the event that you're not sure about what packages they offer, even in the same category of Elegance or Premium or Panoramic, Sir!

REMEMBER, YOU MUST BE TALKING SENSE, YOU MUST BE TALKING MORE TO THOSE PARALLEL IMPORTERS.

IF YOU DONT TALK AND DONT MENTION SOMETHING : THEY HAVE RIGHTS TO IGNORE IT. YOU WON'T GET IT.

Even those Workshops which PIs would offer, it might be huge difference in the sense of performance, quality, know-how, etc etc etc

For the piece of mind, if you're a new comer : TC has standard packages and you are entitled WHETHER YOU KNOW IT OR NOT, IT DOESN'T MATTER . . . . . .

IF YOU NEED STANDARD PACKAGES WITH CERTIFIED WORKSHOPS, GO TC NO OTHER CHOICES. REMEMBER, IT DOESN'T MEAN TC IS BETTER ALL THE WAY. IT IS STANDARDIZED AND WELL ESTABLISHED UNLIKE PI.
More importantly, if your car has manufacturer's issues to fix or warranty issues, TC WOULD BE 1000TIMES BETTER, I BELIEVE. 

WHO YOU REALLY ARE? IT DOES MATTER !!!!!

You have to do yourself reality check home work. In fact, most of buyers do not know much about Harriers, including me Sir! .

. . . . Wink! Wink!

All is said and done, X-Trail or Harrier? It depends . . . . .






 

 

 

 

Edited October 14, 2015 by sanlynn

[alphard96]

Both good choice, but Harrier for me too.

 

Yes G looks nice to me, but not everyone like it.  If to buy, will get the pearl white G premium advance (with additional memory seat) panaromic roof.

 

Also true that if you need occasional 7 seater, than have to choose X trail (but realized one touch power window is only for Driver...)

 

 

 

Abt Lexus and Toyota...

 

Glad that our PM is using a Lexus...LS460L (long wheelbase 5 seater) at recent NDP.

If not mistaken, acceleration/performance wise, can outrun our President's W221 S350L CGI 7-G tronic Merc.

Both nice dream cars.

Edited October 14, 2015 by alphard96

[EG73]

X-Trail or Harrier?

 

If you are a new comer who buys a new car, buying Harrier may end up like "CHEATED" somewhat. Even though not all PIs are bad, mostly their sale strategy/tactics will make you either cost you more or get less in the event that you're not sure about what packages they offer, even in the same category of Elegance or Premium or Panoramic, Sir!

 

REMEMBER, YOU MUST BE TALKING SENSE, YOU MUST BE TALKING MORE TO THOSE PARALLEL IMPORTERS.

IF YOU DONT TALK AND DONT MENTION SOMETHING : THEY HAVE RIGHTS TO IGNORE IT. YOU WON'T GET IT.

 

Even those Workshops which PIs would offer, it might be huge difference in the sense of performance, quality, know-how, etc etc etc

 

For the piece of mind, if you're a new comer : TC has standard packages and you are entitled WHETHER YOU KNOW IT OR NOT, IT DOESN'T MATTER . . . . . .

 

IF YOU NEED STANDARD PACKAGES WITH CERTIFIED WORKSHOPS, GO TC NO OTHER CHOICES. REMEMBER, IT DOESN'T MEAN TC IS BETTER ALL THE WAY. IT IS STANDARDIZED AND WELL ESTABLISHED UNLIKE PI.

More importantly, if your car has manufacturer's issues to fix or warranty issues, TC WOULD BE 1000TIMES BETTER, I BELIEVE. 

 

WHO YOU REALLY ARE? IT DOES MATTER !!!!!

 

You have to do yourself reality check home work. In fact, most of buyers do not know much about Harriers, including me Sir! .

. . . . Wink! Wink!

 

All is said and done, X-Trail or Harrier? It depends . . . . .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You are not compare the car but the agent. Not all AD are good and so do PI. Some PI are better than AD actually. Example, AD of WW is good? Go check out the forum how people talk about AD when their WW fail. Another example, when your car fail (such as engine or gear box), AD charge super high and you will try to bring your car to alternative workshop as they charge cheaper to repair it for you. So AD good? Depend if you have $$$. My point is Harrier is reliable and easy to get repair or maintain by external workshop because it is a Toyota so why should I pay more for AD in this case? If you telling me you are getting a Benz or some "special" car (such as Xtrail which their existing in the market is small) good luck as you have to go AD for anything goes wrong. I drive a old Xtrail and a new C180 before and I can tell you this is true.

Both good choice, but Harrier for me too.

 

Yes G looks nice to me, but not everyone like it.  If to buy, will get the pearl white G premium advance (with additional memory seat) panaromic roof.

 

Also true that if you need occasional 7 seater, than have to choose X trail (but realized one touch power window is only for Driver...)

 

 

 

Abt Lexus and Toyota...

 

Glad that our PM is using a Lexus...LS460L (long wheelbase 5 seater) at recent NDP.

If not mistaken, acceleration/performance wise, can outrun our President's W221 S350L CGI 7-G tronic Merc.

Both nice dream cars.

 

Go for reliable car Toyota or Lexus never goes wrong. This is verified by every workshop I go to, they will tell you Toyota is the most easy to maintenance and less repair needed. 

[EG73]

I recalled when I driving a 06 Xtrail on 2 wheel drive, my petrol cost is $600 per month. Now Harrier give me $300 per month for petrol. If you look at 10 years, that is $36,000 saving on petrol alone.

 

For 06 Xtrail the actual fuel consumption is 10Km/l, 15 Xtrail on paper is 13.3KM/L but actaul fact people comment about 9-10Km/l only.

 

For Harrier, on paper is 16km/l. Actual on 70% of my trip is 18km/l.

 

Hope is will help you to decide. 

[sanlynn]

You are not compare the car but the agent. Not all AD are good and so do PI. Some PI are better than AD actually. Example, AD of WW is good? Go check out the forum how people talk about AD when their WW fail. Another example, when your car fail (such as engine or gear box), AD charge super high and you will try to bring your car to alternative workshop as they charge cheaper to repair it for you. So AD good? Depend if you have $$$. My point is Harrier is reliable and easy to get repair or maintain by external workshop because it is a Toyota so why should I pay more for AD in this case? If you telling me you are getting a Benz or some "special" car (such as Xtrail which their existing in the market is small) good luck as you have to go AD for anything goes wrong. I drive a old Xtrail and a new C180 before and I can tell you this is true.

 

Go for reliable car Toyota or Lexus never goes wrong. This is verified by every workshop I go to, they will tell you Toyota is the most easy to maintenance and less repair needed. 

 

I'm sorry if I make you unhappy somewhat or dissatisfaction from my post, Sir!

My intention is rather new comer not to be cheated up by PIs, there were so many stories and bad experience form PIs where ADs have lesser issue due to their corporate level comprehensive contracts, terms, conditions and agreements. PIs' on such agreements are not well managed and touchy. Let me stop here about this.

 

For Harriers, we only can get through PIs. That's why it is a valid statement when I compared not only car but also its dealers. Nothing is wrong, right?

 

Nonetheless, I'm not sure and I won't be able to understand about a few points you raised, frankly.

 

(1) Harrier is reliable and easy to get repair or maintain by external workshop . . . .  because it is a Toyota . . . . .As you said

*****

X-trail is not reliable? Because it isn't Toyota? Because it is a Nissan?

Well established Nissan R&D team needs to learn so many things from our discussion?

 

(2) AD charge super high and you will try to bring your car to alternative workshop as they charge cheaper to repair it for you. So AD good?....easy to get repair or maintain by external workshop. . . . As you said

*****

What actually means alternative or external workshop? Did you mean that certified or appointed workshops? or Workshop which is run by traditional ways and done repair with their hands-on experience?

Were we getting same good workmanship, quality and satisfied overall performance from your preferred workshops every time we visits?

These terms (unfamiliar to me) alternative workshop and external workshop which would have made headaches for some car owners due to their lack of know-how, improper training they received, no proper equipment & tools and so on?

Have you came across witnessing balanced bolts, nuts, washers upon box-up every time you did like Engine repair or fixing Gearbox issues, and Mechanic simply said that these aren't really important, not to put back . . . . . . rather just leave it?

It doesn't matter cheaper or expensive : Aren't we comparing apple to apple?

 

I wanna learn from you more, too

Pls share

Kind regards

 

 

 

Edited October 15, 2015 by sanlynn

[Axela72]

Regardless, unless one can garantee that the risk of getting the car from PI is 100% equvialent or better than AD, even a 0.001% risk more from PI, I am not going to take the bet. 

 

 

You are not compare the car but the agent. Not all AD are good and so do PI. Some PI are better than AD actually. Example, AD of WW is good? Go check out the forum how people talk about AD when their WW fail. Another example, when your car fail (such as engine or gear box), AD charge super high and you will try to bring your car to alternative workshop as they charge cheaper to repair it for you. So AD good? Depend if you have $$$. My point is Harrier is reliable and easy to get repair or maintain by external workshop because it is a Toyota so why should I pay more for AD in this case? If you telling me you are getting a Benz or some "special" car (such as Xtrail which their existing in the market is small) good luck as you have to go AD for anything goes wrong. I drive a old Xtrail and a new C180 before and I can tell you this is true.

 

Go for reliable car Toyota or Lexus never goes wrong. This is verified by every workshop I go to, they will tell you Toyota is the most easy to maintenance and less repair needed. 

 

[EG73]

I'm sorry if I make you unhappy somewhat or dissatisfaction from my post, Sir!

My intention is rather new comer not to be cheated up by PIs, there were so many stories and bad experience form PIs where ADs have lesser issue due to their corporate level comprehensive contracts, terms, conditions and agreements. PIs' on such agreements are not well managed and touchy. Let me stop here about this.

 

For Harriers, we only can get through PIs. That's why it is a valid statement when I compared not only car but also its dealers. Nothing is wrong, right?

 

Nonetheless, I'm not sure and I won't be able to understand about a few points you raised, frankly.

 

(1) Harrier is reliable and easy to get repair or maintain by external workshop . . . .  because it is a Toyota . . . . .As you said

*****

X-trail is not reliable? Because it isn't Toyota? Because it is a Nissan?

Well established Nissan R&D team needs to learn so many things from our discussion?

 

(2) AD charge super high and you will try to bring your car to alternative workshop as they charge cheaper to repair it for you. So AD good?....easy to get repair or maintain by external workshop. . . . As you said

*****

What actually means alternative or external workshop? Did you mean that certified or appointed workshops? or Workshop which is run by traditional ways and done repair with their hands-on experience?

Were we getting same good workmanship, quality and satisfied overall performance from your preferred workshops every time we visits?

These terms (unfamiliar to me) alternative workshop and external workshop which would have made headaches for some car owners due to their lack of know-how, improper training they received, no proper equipment & tools and so on?

Have you came across witnessing balanced bolts, nuts, washers upon box-up every time you did like Engine repair or fixing Gearbox issues, and Mechanic simply said that these aren't really important, not to put back . . . . . . rather just leave it?

It doesn't matter cheaper or expensive : Aren't we comparing apple to apple?

 

I wanna learn from you more, too

Pls share

Kind regards

 

 

 

 

lol... I am not unhappy la. My apologise if I sound unhappy. Just a discussion and my point of view only.

 

Toyota cars are generally better quality and advance compare than Nissan. My 6 years old Xtrail have so much issue compare to my dad camry of the same age and mileage. My dad use to drive a Cifero but change to Camry because of high maintenance and high fuel cost. A lot of my friend who drive sunny and later change to Altis also share the same view about Nissan. Out of 10 workshop that I go to, 10 of them tell me to go for Toyota if you want a reliable and low maintenance car. This is a fact that Toyota is better than Nissan or else why Toyota sale is much higher than Nissan?

 

Regarding workshop, let me give you some examples. My friend drove her B180 send to C&C to replace the faulty aircon compressor, it cost around $4K to services. She then drive to outside workshop which charge her $2K and the aircon was back on-line till today. Any issue? No, the workshop is as good as the C&C one. Another friend drove his BMW 318i to PM for oil leak issue, after change so many parts cost him $6K and issue not solve. He drove his car to Malaysia workshop and it cost less than $2K to get the problem fixed. I drove my C180 to C&C for servicing, they need 8 hours to do the servicing. When I go to the workshop early by 1 hours to collect my car, I was surprise to know that they have not even work my car yet. When they see me not happy, they have my car services in 30mins and reason they told me that the car only need an express services because it is first 10K. I brought my Harrier for 10K services by external workshop and I stay there to watch they are doing, very comprehensive 2.5 hours of services (include car wash) regardless I am waiting there and telling them that I urgently need the car. They said they need to complete all checks and will try to complete early but they cannot rush and give me a lousy job. So do you think AD workshop do a good job now? What I am trying to say is external workshop can be as good as the AD if you  know where to look for them. I know of a external workshop who specialise on certain model of car and their staff are previously from AD workshop. They move to external because they feel that AD workshop are over charging customer.

 

Now, let us look at Toyota cars, they have big volume in Singapore. There are available parts and technical workshop capable to service it so why we need to pay premium for AD workshop? Again my Dad Camry was service by external workshop, other than normal servicing, he only bring his car less than 5 times for break disk, aircon compress and battery change.  

Edited October 15, 2015 by EG73

[Char]

Is it all the Toyota model are using the same parts ?

[EG73]

Is it all the Toyota model are using the same parts ?

 

Not all. But certain parts are shared between models. 

[EG73]

Regardless, unless one can garantee that the risk of getting the car from PI is 100% equvialent or better than AD, even a 0.001% risk more from PI, I am not going to take the bet. 

 

Then ask yourself if one can guarantee the AD is 100% better than PI?  No one can guarantee la. Try buy a WW, BMW and BENZ from the AD and you come and tell me if they are good before and after services. Ask yourself if your car need a 6K repair cost from AD, will you go hunting around for someone who can services it at lower cost. I believe the answer is clear, I would and I believe everyone will unless you got too much money and do not know where to spend them. Agreed?