Kra canal affect Singapore Port

[Wishcumstrue]

 

no mah, since 1932 there are 18 coups in Thailand, 11 successful... confirm wayang puppet master right

 

wow..what an interesting figure - does that mean Thailand is one of those countries that has the most no. of (successful) coup since 1932 ? I think before Thai king wanna be bua song with Singapore, he need first look after his own country.

 

With such track record, I am curious how you see Kra canal can provide stability or added advantage of calling Singapore port ?

[Wishcumstrue]

 

According to BIMCO, this translates to additional annual marine bunker consumption amounting to USD 2.4 Mil for a Post Panamax vessel and USD7 Mil for a VLCC vessel.

Note that this is due to a distance difference of 3457 nautical miles and a journey time difference of 10 days approximately.

 

In contrast the distance savings for Kra would be 1080 nautical miles but the time savings is disproportionately lower at approx 2 days. This lower time savings incurred is an important consideration because we have yet to consider the turnaround time(s) imposed by discharging and pickup of cargo at the "dry canal". Not to mention, what is the sustained cargo carriage capacity of this train line when ready?

 

Would it still make fiscal sense if the amounted turnaround time is close to or even exceeds 2 days?

 

So in a sense, it is rather simplistic to view any theoretical savings even if the Kra wet/dry canal gets into full operation with 2 days sailing time advantage and reduced fuel cost.

 

Goes to show creating and running a major shipping-route infrastructure goes beyond just a digging and working on paper assumptions alone.

 

There are a whole range of factors to consider, namely geopolitical and power balance implication such route change will have.. and not including the fact Mr Goldbug had shared regarding the track recrod of Thailand's political stability since 1932...

 

Washingtonpost (2013) - Thailand has had more coups than any other country. This is why.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/12/03/thailand-has-had-more-coups-than-any-other-country-this-is-why/

[Goldbug]

 

wow..what an interesting figure - does that mean Thailand is one of those countries that has the most no. of (successful) coup since 1932 ? I think before Thai king wanna be bua song with Singapore, he need first look after his own country.

 

With such track record, I am curious how you see Kra canal can provide stability or added advantage of calling Singapore port ?

 

exactly

with so many coups the king never got dethrone

if that is not call stable, what is called stable?

[Opel17]

 

The Korean proposal seems to be -

haul the ship from one coast onto a rail, move it to the other coast and sail again.

keke, did I read correctly. It seems so impossible. or has it been done already.

I agree with you.

The Korean intention is not to transfer goods/containers from vessels onto a trains, then rail to the opposite coast, finally transfer to another vessel.

I think their design would make use of floating dry dock like this one......https://www.econosto.nl/webpage/econosto-sets-azerbaijani-floating-dock-in-operation/824

The floating dry dock would "cradle" the vessel [full load] securely, and then crawl onto submerged rail track up-ramp onto dry grounds. This mean the floating dry dock would be constructed with train undercarriage, and "transform" into a train for rail transport.

This means :

1 floating dry dock for each vessel. The floating dry dock have to be a heavier construction to handle a fully loaded vessel.

The railway track would be very wide to provide stability to the dock/vessel combo.

If there is any stoppage along the rail track especially mid-way, other following dock/vessel would be stranded as well.

Everything about this proposal is going to be SUPER-MEGA size.

[Wishcumstrue]

 

exactly

with so many coups the king never got dethrone

if that is not call stable, what is called stable?

 

Since when investors have consider coups as sign of stability ?

[Camrysfa]

 

exactly

with so many coups the king never got dethrone

if that is not call stable, what is called stable?

 

the entire article is a good read . . . ( pls just read, I am not into Ping-Pong )

 

my pick of a critical sentence is:

 

For most of the 20th century, the Thai king was a guarantor of relative political stability — a unifying force amid coups, constitutional changes and bloodshed. When needed, he could call dueling faction leaders before him and chastise them. The bloodshed would stop.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/behind-thailands-coup-is-a-fight-over-the-king-and-his-successor-but-its-hush-hush/2014/06/05/d0cac579-374c-4671-b418-b8dda46c76ed_story.html

[Wishcumstrue]

 

the entire article is a good read . . . ( pls just read, I am not into Ping-Pong )

 

my pick of a critical sentence is:

 

For most of the 20th century, the Thai king was a guarantor of relative political stability — a unifying force amid coups, constitutional changes and bloodshed. When needed, he could call dueling faction leaders before him and chastise them. The bloodshed would stop.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/behind-thailands-coup-is-a-fight-over-the-king-and-his-successor-but-its-hush-hush/2014/06/05/d0cac579-374c-4671-b418-b8dda46c76ed_story.html

 

Strangely, the author continued in the second paragraph pointing out:

 

This time around, though, the king appears too frail to play such a role and has not been seen publicly since a May 22 coup. The military takeover — endorsed near the end of May by the palace — came after seven months of street protests against the Thai government.

 

I am not into Thailand's unique social political system, but what I read here is if a country's stability depends on continued presence of one person, does it not share similar political system like those of N Korea or Saudi ?

 

And this factor matters more than ever if the entire Pacific rim economy become even more dependent on just 1 country which controls the choke point between the India Ocean and South China Sea ?

 

Taking those into consideration, it seems to me now that the Malacca Straits and Singapore's existence as a major port of call still remain viable even after Kra canal is built.

[Member69]

 

exactly

with so many coups the king never got dethrone

if that is not call stable, what is called stable?

The Thai king got no political power and is only just a respected figure in there.

The coup is always to dissolve the political disaster and reinstate military law. This got nothing to do with the Thai king

[Wishcumstrue]

The Thai king got no political power and is only just a respected figure in there.

The coup is always to dissolve the political disaster and reinstate military law. This got nothing to do with the Thai king

 

My question to that assertion remains unanswered until now.

 

Previously someone kept insisting Thailand's frequent coup has to do with its king close relation with the military...

 

King only whisper into the general's ear enough liao

 

 

[Goldbug]

 

My question to that assertion remains unanswered until now.

 

Previously someone kept insisting Thailand's frequent coup has to do with its king close relation with the military...

 

 

 

 

the king is distant from the military?

[Wishcumstrue]

 

the king is distant from the military?

 

 

The Thai king got no political power and is only just a respected figure in there.

The coup is always to dissolve the political disaster and reinstate military law. This got nothing to do with the Thai king

 

 

[Kusje]

Anyone know the potential impact?

 

Last I read, it was Russia trying to encourage people to use that route but they had failed. Now China is on it!

 

 

 

China wants ships to use faster Arctic route opened by global warming

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/china-wants-ships-to-use/2713514.html

[Nlatio]

By the time they decide to dig.... think the canal dry up already...

[Kusje]

By the time they decide to dig.... think the canal dry up already...

 

You only read the title then post right? 

Cosco (biggest shipping co. in the world) has already been evaluating this route for some time. It is supposedly both time and cost savings for shipping to Europe. Last year they announced:

 

http://www.wsj.com/articles/chinese-shipper-cosco-to-schedule-regular-trans-arctic-sailings-1446133485

 

I thought that was maersk?

[Nlatio]

You only read the title then post right? 

 

I thought that was maersk?

 

Ya lor...  

[hsl118]

Anyone know the potential impact?

 

Last I read, it was Russia trying to encourage people to use that route but they had failed. Now China is on it!

 

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/china-wants-ships-to-use/2713514.html

 

Let's see if Trudeau can make Canada great again, considering part of those waters are considered 'internal waters'.

[Still2016]

If my crystal ball is working, the Kra canal will not be ready in most of our life time.

[Zxcvb]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvQbXhP-SXU