Singapore Is Cracking Down on Tiger Moms

[RadX]

  On 5/5/2015 at 10:01 AM, Jman888 said:

If that happens then we are there liao [sweatdrop]

 

 

i see that slowly coming. Most of the SME bosses i spoke to feel that our local students now do not put to use what they are learning. Be it irrelevance of the curriculum or attitude, the entitlement mentality is strong in these young uns. The foreigners however, like the burmese, indians, etc are hungry and apply what they learn and are creative to think and apply relevance.

 

WE are headed the taiwan way

[Wt_know]

i find this very disturbing ...

at one point, the message was ... education education education ...

the only way to uplift our life is to get good education > good degree > good job > good pay > good life

nabei ... now say don't go study or don't study hard ... don't aim high education ?

so, i should tell my kid ... no need study so hard la ... straight A is not good ... half-past-six can already

 

Edited May 6, 2015 by Wt_know

[Ktglfc]

  On 5/6/2015 at 12:15 AM, RadX said:

 

 

i see that slowly coming. Most of the SME bosses i spoke to feel that our local students now do not put to use what they are learning. Be it irrelevance of the curriculum or attitude, the entitlement mentality is strong in these young uns. The foreigners however, like the burmese, indians, etc are hungry and apply what they learn and are creative to think and apply relevance.

 

WE are headed the taiwan way

 

Is it due to our education?

Are we focusing more on the theorectical rather than the practicality of knowledge?

Not many hands-on ....

[Tigerwoods]

  On 5/5/2015 at 11:46 AM, Playtime said:

If degree not essential. .

Wtf is he downing so much of our money on free uni schooling and living for FT students? ?

 

And why does his own children need to be sent oversea at tax payers expense? ?

This is precisely why I say the elites just won't understand.

FYI one example is TCH who was the chairperson of PSC, presented the PSC scholarship to his son.

To them it's just another medal on the home display cabinet,

To the poor man's son, it's a life changing opportunity to him n his family.

[Tigerwoods]

  On 5/5/2015 at 3:09 PM, Nlatio said:

Will be there when chicken also need at least a degree.... mamasan a master degree....okt 2nd upper honour....

The best degree for Chicken to have is a Nursing degree...

[RadX]

  On 5/6/2015 at 12:43 AM, Tigerwoods said:

The best degree for Chicken to have is a Nursing degree...

 

indeed. Those are good life skills bro! I never regretted moving into the world I am in...

[Tigerwoods]

  On 5/6/2015 at 12:45 AM, RadX said:

 

indeed. Those are good life skills bro! I never regretted moving into the world I am in...

You expecting floodgates of chicken becoming nurses?

[Sosaria]

I really don't see why or how "apply what they learn" comes into the picture.

 

Let's face it that in the workplace, with the exception of researchers and scientists, many of us only need to know the basic math and comm skills learned in school.

 

Other than that, almost everything else is learned on the job, or on your own initiative according to job requirements. Your boss ask you to do something and you don't know how - you need to spend time reading up and learning.

 

I don't think any school can equip a young person to "hit the ground running", so to speak, for any job.

 

Even when starting out as engineer after years of technical schooling and engineering degree... I find that in my first job, I still have to start from zero... In the actual company, the software, equipment, tools, etc. are specific and different from the basic sets learned in school.

Edited May 6, 2015 by Sosaria

[Darky8888]

  On 5/6/2015 at 12:27 AM, Ktglfc said:

 

Is it due to our education?

Are we focusing more on the theorectical rather than the practicality of knowledge?

Not many hands-on ....

just to add more questions...

 

is it due to the upbringing?

Family has a maid and the kids grow up cant get their hands dirty?

Do parents needs to teach their kids they need to fight for what they want and not to give them upon request?

[Enye]

  On 5/6/2015 at 12:15 AM, RadX said:

 

 

iMost of the SME bosses i spoke to feel that our local students now do not put to use what they are learning. Be it irrelevance of the curriculum or attitude, the entitlement mentality is strong in these young uns. .

 

 

umm..did you ask these SME bosses back how about their own children?

 

[Enye]

  On 5/6/2015 at 12:37 AM, Tigerwoods said:

This is precisely why I say the elites just won't understand.

FYI one example is TCH who was the chairperson of PSC, presented the PSC scholarship to his son.

To them it's just another medal on the home display cabinet,

To the poor man's son, it's a life changing opportunity to him n his family.

 

it's the selection process

 

elite children just need to tell the interviewers who their fathers are

 

meritocracy....indeed

 

Edited May 6, 2015 by Enye

[RadX]

  On 5/6/2015 at 12:57 AM, Enye said:

umm..did you ask these SME bosses back how about their own children?

 

 

 

yup. Their children help in their co...hahahah

  On 5/6/2015 at 12:51 AM, Sosaria said:

I really don't see why or how "apply what they learn" comes into the picture.

 

Let's face it that in the workplace, with the exception of researchers and scientists, many of us only need to know the basic math and comm skills learned in school.

 

Other than that, almost everything else is learned on the job, or on your own initiative according to job requirements. Your boss ask you to do something and you don't know how - you need to spend time reading up and learning.

 

I don't think any school can equip a young person to "hit the ground running", so to speak, for any job.

 

Even when starting out as engineer after years of technical schooling and engineering degree... I find that in my first job, I still have to start from zero... In the actual company, the software, equipment, tools, etc. are specific and different from the basic sets learned in school.

 

i do not disagree with that. WE have the basics in knowledge and we translate them along parallells accordingly. In fact even in the field of what we do, we learn the basics! However, we use our better judgement to apply the theories to practice. That is lacking now and the idealist mentality of what the textbooks teach you should be exactly applied else, they cannot move fwd.

 

That is the premise of the statement. It's the translational thinking that seems to be lacking of late. I wonder if it is how we are taught now?

 

on the part of 'hit the ground running', nobody can every be fully ready. There is a grace period definitely, and employers know that and are willing to accept.

 

That said, the 'willing to learn' attitude is what should be the priority for the new graduate. I keep getting feedback on 'initiative, or lack of' abt from the folks I talk to.

 

Cuts both ways and the push pull factors and the cushioning all lead to a good employee-emploeyer relationship.

[TVT]

  On 5/5/2015 at 3:09 PM, Nlatio said:

Will be there when chicken also need at least a degree.... mamasan a master degree....okt 2nd upper honour....

 

To have such an degree, there must first be an academy to train them. But of now, there isn't any.... mostly are on-the-job training ......

[Enye]

  On 5/6/2015 at 1:12 AM, RadX said:

 

 

yup. Their children help in their co...hahahah

 

 

very hardworking and no entitlement mentality

 

like thaiyo kor kor

 

Edited May 6, 2015 by Enye

[Shull]

I think the main problem here is expectations. Many youngsters nowadays expect getting a degree will mean they get to go into management role immediately.

 

This thought is further entrenched by the many scholarships offered by the the govt/stat boards/GLCs/MNCs which promised "management trainee" position.

 

Add that to the recruitment drive by our local unis, which gave the impression that a degree opens all doors to a better career.

 

But once a student graduate with the coveted paper and joins the workforce, they found out that many starting position still needs them to get their hands dirty. How else to learn their new trade?

 

Heck, I graduated from a local uni with an engineering degree. Even until now(4 years into the job), I still get my hands dirty by going down to construction site/shipyards. Donning the "construction bra" (safety harness) and climbing scaffoldings. Sometimes working all through the night to see through a major operation until completion. Many times, I reach office at 830am in the morning and find myself booked on the afternoon flight out to Indo/Vietnam/Thailand etc.

 

And those who are younger than me by scarcely a few years expect to sit in brightly lit office, giving out instructions to the rank and file workers without leaving their seats and getting their hands dirty?

 

On my very first project, I saw this guy who was supervising installation of sound-proofing material in a new power plant. His job is just to make sure the workers do it right, don't even need to go up with them on the boom lift to do the installation. After the first week, i didn't see him anymore. Heard from the main-con project manager that he resigned. And btw, anyone in the right mind will wear something comfortable like overalls when working on site, but that guy insist on wearing long sleeve shirt and tailored pants, so as to "look the part" of a supervisor.

 

All these resulted in the demand for degree providers. When the local unis can't provide enough places, the overseas uni come in. And then we have all those degree mills which churn out worthless paper certificates (which some company will still buy).

[Donut]

The very first mistake the govt ever made is to introduce streaming from pri schools in the 70s.

This stupid streaming policy created the domino effect.

 

Don't blame us for what we are today. Look at your past mistakes.

 

If PM wants to change our mindset, he has to change the system first.

[Sosaria]

  On 5/6/2015 at 1:24 AM, Shull said:

...

This thought is further entrenched by the many scholarships offered by the the govt/stat boards/GLCs/MNCs which promised "management trainee" position.

 

...

But once a student graduate with the coveted paper and joins the workforce, they found out that many starting position still needs them to get their hands dirty. How else to learn their new trade?

 

Heck, I graduated from a local uni with an engineering degree. Even until now(4 years into the job), I still get my hands dirty by going down to construction site/shipyards. Donning the "construction bra" (safety harness) and climbing scaffoldings. Sometimes working all through the night to see through a major operation until completion. Many times, I reach office at 830am in the morning and find myself booked on the afternoon flight out to Indo/Vietnam/Thailand etc.

 

And those who are younger than me by scarcely a few years expect to sit in brightly lit office, giving out instructions to the rank and file workers without leaving their seats and getting their hands dirty?

...

 

"Management trainee" is just a glorified admin secretary that organises meetings, take the minutes, ensure projector is working, make certain that there are sufficient copies of previous meeting minutes and that they are stapled just so in the right place with the staples in the correct orientation And they are told that having the opportunity to sit in these meetings of the big bosses will expose them to greater things.

 

What you described is true for most engineering graduate careers in private sector. I started out in jap manufacturing company, first few weeks in the ranks of the production operator, then with the technicians, and only then take up the proper engineer role. The fast pace and changing nature of the job is exciting as you described in the shipyard, if a person is inclined to it, but ultimately in the long-run not suitable for family life with kids - another sad truth.

 

So why the gap between youngsters' (and their parents') expectations and the actual truth? I find that this is where the career guidance centres in educational institutions must do their job well. For a start perhaps the poly and univ promotional posters and ads, e.g. for engineering courses, should show graduates in greasy overalls, in shipyard, construction sites, etc. Why only show clean-cut, pan-asian "models" in suits and office wear??

[Mustank]

i like getting my hands dirty