New Ford Mondeo

[7hm]

  On 6/16/2015 at 2:07 AM, Hamburger said:

handsome yes, but cant help looking at the side profile and feel its a FL or is it....

Side profile of 5dr is a bit like an A7... they reused the old car's window profile a bit. The body design is from Europe which designed the previous Mondeo, so it's perhaps still intended to be 'recognizable'. But it's longer than the old car and most of the suspension had a bit of an overhaul... then there's all the new tech onboard.

So I guess you can think of it as halfway between a major facelift and a new car.

 

  On 6/16/2015 at 4:52 AM, Matoonia said:

Check out full review on

http://www.sgcarmart.com/news/review.php?AID=881

 

Been wondering how long SGCM would take for a review... finally!

[ahboy86]

Nice and powerful engine with a neat, handsome sheet metal.

 

Specced to the brim with gadgets and equipment.

 

However, i reckon the steering is rather soul-less. Insufficient steering feedback.

 

Also try to have a look at the test car (silver @ regent, alexandra) if you can, you will notice that the rear passenger door handles / door arm rest have very poor quality fittings; a plastic was popping ouT!

 

Salesman went on to put down the latest Mazda 6 when comparing to the Mondeo and clearly he doesn't know what's in the Mazda 6. Not impressed at all.

Edited June 16, 2015 by ahboy86

[7hm]

  On 6/16/2015 at 8:22 AM, ahboy86 said:

Nice and powerful engine with a neat, handsome sheet metal.

 

Specced to the brim with gadgets and equipment.

 

However, i reckon the steering is rather soul-less. Insufficient steering feedback.

 

Also try to have a look at the test car (silver @ regent, alexandra) if you can, you will notice that the rear passenger door handles / door arm rest have very poor quality fittings; a plastic was popping ouT!

 

Salesman went on to put down the latest Mazda 6 when comparing to the Mondeo and clearly he doesn't know what's in the Mazda 6. Not impressed at all.

 

do you remember if this car is a 5dr or 4dr?

 

what did he say about the MZ6?

[jaayh]

looks gorgeous like an Aston... but probably costs here what an Aston costs in UK

[Sam7770]

  On 6/16/2015 at 6:25 AM, 7hm said:

Side profile of 5dr is a bit like an A7...

 

Except for the big ugly rear wiper blade. I wonder if A7 drivers miss having one?

[Keromond]

  On 6/16/2015 at 10:05 AM, 7hm said:

 

do you remember if this car is a 5dr or 4dr?

 

what did he say about the MZ6?

 

 

it is a 4 dr the test drive unit....n I think the SE just say M6 no good haha....let ahboy give u more details

[ahboy86]

  On 6/16/2015 at 10:05 AM, 7hm said:

 

do you remember if this car is a 5dr or 4dr?

 

what did he say about the MZ6?

 

The car was a 4 door.

 

I was comparing with the top spec Mazda 6 2.5 Luxury; he said that the Mazda:

 

- does not have automatic dimming rear view mirror (even the 6, 2.0 exec has)

 

- does not have blind spot monitoring and host of safety features etc (have you heard about Mazda's i-ActiveSense suite of safety tech ??? LDW, RVM, LAS, BSM ...)

 

- Mazda 6's rear multi-link suspension is very expensive to maintain, unlike the Mondeo's (whatever it is i forgot) rear set-up.

 

- not as power (this i agree but duh, it's force-fed)

 

- built quality and drive is more solid and better feel than Mazda 6. (my car is still intact all this while; hmmm .... )

 

BUT:

 

I have to give it to the Mondeo for the adaptive cruise control and ability to set trailing distance to front vehicle! This one is good! Last used it on the XJ 5.0 V8. Loved it. (And correct, the Mazda 6 does not have this feature simply because it's banned by LTA for radar inteference, not because Mazda engineers didn't create one).

Edited June 17, 2015 by ahboy86

[Freeder]

  On 6/17/2015 at 1:44 PM, ahboy86 said:

 

The car was a 4 door.

 

I was comparing with the top spec Mazda 6 2.5 Luxury; he said that the Mazda:

 

- does not have automatic dimming rear view mirror (even the 6, 2.0 exec has)

 

- does not have blind spot monitoring and host of safety features etc (have you heard about Mazda's i-ActiveSense suite of safety tech ??? LDW, RVM, LAS, BSM ...)

 

- Mazda 6's rear multi-link suspension is very expensive to maintain, unlike the Mondeo's (whatever it is i forgot) rear set-up.

 

- not as power (this i agree but duh, it's force-fed)

 

- built quality and drive is more solid and better feel than Mazda 6. (my car is still intact all this while; hmmm .... )

 

BUT:

 

I have to give it to the Mondeo for the adaptive cruise control and ability to set trailing distance to front vehicle! This one is good! Last used it on the XJ 5.0 V8. Loved it. (And correct, the Mazda 6 does not have this feature simply because it's banned by LTA for radar inteference, not because Mazda engineers didn't create one).

OT a bit..

Kuga going at 154k nett..

Good review by Straits Times recently..

1500cc n 180bhp with all the bells n whistles..

Seems like Ford is coming back again..

Really tempting..

Edited June 17, 2015 by Freeder

[7hm]

  On 6/17/2015 at 1:44 PM, ahboy86 said:

The car was a 4 door.

 

I was comparing with the top spec Mazda 6 2.5 Luxury; he said that the Mazda:

 

- does not have automatic dimming rear view mirror (even the 6, 2.0 exec has)

 

- does not have blind spot monitoring and host of safety features etc (have you heard about Mazda's i-ActiveSense suite of safety tech ??? LDW, RVM, LAS, BSM ...)

 

- Mazda 6's rear multi-link suspension is very expensive to maintain, unlike the Mondeo's (whatever it is i forgot) rear set-up.

 

- not as power (this i agree but duh, it's force-fed)

 

- built quality and drive is more solid and better feel than Mazda 6. (my car is still intact all this while; hmmm .... )

 

BUT:

 

I have to give it to the Mondeo for the adaptive cruise control and ability to set trailing distance to front vehicle! This one is good! Last used it on the XJ 5.0 V8. Loved it. (And correct, the Mazda 6 does not have this feature simply because it's banned by LTA for radar inteference, not because Mazda engineers didn't create one).

Hmm... yeah, 4dr... I was wondering to myself whether it was a 4dr or 5dr... I recalled a 5dr was a silver test car too... but that day I tested a silver car without panoramic roof, so I now assumed it was a 4dr. I'm asking about that because I thought maybe if I want bargain can buy the demo car.

Haha... he is right and wrong.

Because you are comparing to 2.5 Luxury R grade, BLIS is available, but it's not in the base model I think. The lane keeping assist and departure warning also I think not in base 2.0.

Though seems that the facelifted 6 don't have anything collision warning/prevention system. I find it annoying that Eurokars don't bring in the complete i-ActivSense suite... Probably this SE hoping you didn't do your research, or he only know about the basic 2.0L Mazda6.

 

Mazda 6 definitely less power... but it's significantly lighter. Also more economical! ...but higher road tax

As for solidity... I feel the Mondeo is more reassuring as a whole body wise, though the new facelifted MZ6 interior class has gone up. Mondeo has a more straightforward interior though and has more unique touches that I like, like the multicolor ambient lighting... and its guages are much more interesting than the MZ6's. Somehow though I expect the Mondeo will hold up a bit better in a crash... maybe not. I should go check out EuroNCAP of MZ6. I guess quality is just subjective. (someone in KIA K3 thread say the K3 seems lower quality than Honda City...)

 

  On 6/17/2015 at 1:44 PM, ahboy86 said:

I have to give it to the Mondeo for the adaptive cruise control and ability to set trailing distance to front vehicle! This one is good! Last used it on the XJ 5.0 V8. Loved it. (And correct, the Mazda 6 does not have this feature simply because it's banned by LTA for radar inteference, not because Mazda engineers didn't create one).

I liked this feature, didn't get to fully test it out. But I will probably use it a lot on highways if I end up with this car. Funny hor, LTA say radar interference? ...I was told BLIS on Mondeo is also non-guaranteed because LTA don't want to allow it

[Keromond]

so what is the best offer u had for Mondeo so far?

[ahboy86]

  On 6/17/2015 at 3:39 PM, 7hm said:

Hmm... yeah, 4dr... I was wondering to myself whether it was a 4dr or 5dr... I recalled a 5dr was a silver test car too... but that day I tested a silver car without panoramic roof, so I now assumed it was a 4dr. I'm asking about that because I thought maybe if I want bargain can buy the demo car.

Haha... he is right and wrong.

Because you are comparing to 2.5 Luxury R grade, BLIS is available, but it's not in the base model I think. The lane keeping assist and departure warning also I think not in base 2.0.

Though seems that the facelifted 6 don't have anything collision warning/prevention system. I find it annoying that Eurokars don't bring in the complete i-ActivSense suite... Probably this SE hoping you didn't do your research, or he only know about the basic 2.0L Mazda6.

 

Mazda 6 definitely less power... but it's significantly lighter. Also more economical! ...but higher road tax

As for solidity... I feel the Mondeo is more reassuring as a whole body wise, though the new facelifted MZ6 interior class has gone up. Mondeo has a more straightforward interior though and has more unique touches that I like, like the multicolor ambient lighting... and its guages are much more interesting than the MZ6's. Somehow though I expect the Mondeo will hold up a bit better in a crash... maybe not. I should go check out EuroNCAP of MZ6. I guess quality is just subjective. (someone in KIA K3 thread say the K3 seems lower quality than Honda City...)

 

I liked this feature, didn't get to fully test it out. But I will probably use it a lot on highways if I end up with this car. Funny hor, LTA say radar interference? ...I was told BLIS on Mondeo is also non-guaranteed because LTA don't want to allow it

 

haha. he said the 2.0, 6 has no dimming mirrors too! wrong. Yup agree, that the i-ActiveSense goodies only on 2.5 Lux. Was specifically pointing to the 2.5 Lux 6 because it is closest match in terms of pricing, specs etc to the Mondeo.

 

yes, the FL 6 has no auto braking in anticipation of collision, as compared to the old.

 

Go for mondeo if you are ok with the quality of fit and finish, specs and equipment and of course, force-fed thrust. But drive wise and reliability and overall completeness, i'd stick to mazda, if sporty sedans are your thing.

[7hm]

  On 6/18/2015 at 4:21 AM, ahboy86 said:

haha. he said the 2.0, 6 has no dimming mirrors too! wrong. Yup agree, that the i-ActiveSense goodies only on 2.5 Lux. Was specifically pointing to the 2.5 Lux 6 because it is closest match in terms of pricing, specs etc to the Mondeo.

 

yes, the FL 6 has no auto braking in anticipation of collision, as compared to the old.

 

Go for mondeo if you are ok with the quality of fit and finish, specs and equipment and of course, force-fed thrust. But drive wise and reliability and overall completeness, i'd stick to mazda, if sporty sedans are your thing.

 

if no auto-dimming mirror in this class of car its

MZ6 2.5L Luxury R-grade should be going for about $160k after nego right? Mondeo should be about the same... yeah, they are quite equivalent then! Very valid comparison.

 

I wonder why they removed the autonomous emergency braking for facelifted 6? Poorly received? People don't like it? Cost?????? The old one I saw something mentioned about it in the brochure, but I never go ask if it's really available.

 

For me Mondeo is my choice because I prefer forced induction. The Mondeo seems to be better sorted on ride (not handling agility though) + NVH and the collision mitigation system is a big pro for me... Even with the FL, MZ6 drivers in J-talk seem to be still complaining about suspension squeal and knocking... a bit offputting.

I like the gauges and overall interior (the little things like the ambient lighting, cubby placement, restrained look) more as well, plus SYNC is a more appealing system for me (YMMV for all of course).

Looking for a balanced hatchback rather than a sporty sedan, so comfort and performance. MZ6 is sedan only and the boot capacity somehow seems underpar to me... Mondeo wins big-time on practicality imo due to the hatch. I strongly favor this sort of body - liftback sedan. ATM the Mondeo is the only sub $200,000 model in this body class.

Mondeo also has lower depre due to higher OMV...

 

 

 

Anyhow, are you still considering both or have you settle for one... or another brand altogether? If other brand can at your ford SE

[ahboy86]

  On 6/18/2015 at 4:38 AM, 7hm said:

 

if no auto-dimming mirror in this class of car its

MZ6 2.5L Luxury R-grade should be going for about $160k after nego right? Mondeo should be about the same... yeah, they are quite equivalent then! Very valid comparison.

 

I wonder why they removed the autonomous emergency braking for facelifted 6? Poorly received? People don't like it? Cost?????? The old one I saw something mentioned about it in the brochure, but I never go ask if it's really available.

 

For me Mondeo is my choice because I prefer forced induction. The Mondeo seems to be better sorted on ride (not handling agility though) + NVH and the collision mitigation system is a big pro for me... Even with the FL, MZ6 drivers in J-talk seem to be still complaining about suspension squeal and knocking... a bit offputting.

I like the gauges and overall interior (the little things like the ambient lighting, cubby placement, restrained look) more as well, plus SYNC is a more appealing system for me (YMMV for all of course).

Looking for a balanced hatchback rather than a sporty sedan, so comfort and performance. MZ6 is sedan only and the boot capacity somehow seems underpar to me... Mondeo wins big-time on practicality imo due to the hatch. I strongly favor this sort of body - liftback sedan. ATM the Mondeo is the only sub $200,000 model in this body class.

Mondeo also has lower depre due to higher OMV...

 

 

 

Anyhow, are you still considering both or have you settle for one... or another brand altogether? If other brand can at your ford SE

 

haha valid considerations, i guess to each is own.

 

I own a new Mazda 6 haha. Happy with my car so far, suspension ok.

 

I admit the engine of the mondeo is a nicety, shares the same engine as Jaguars.

 

Love jags! haha, waiting for the XE or new XF to arrive to SG.

[7hm]

  On 6/18/2015 at 4:46 AM, ahboy86 said:

haha valid considerations, i guess to each is own.

 

I own a new Mazda 6 haha. Happy with my car so far, suspension ok.

 

I admit the engine of the mondeo is a nicety, shares the same engine as Jaguars.

 

Love jags! haha, waiting for the XE or new XF to arrive to SG.

ho... new XE

 

but I think out of my range

 

 

the suspension squealing i mention is when going over bumps. I think MZ6 less prevalent, but MZ3 owners mentioning it a lot. Most of the time it's those sort of thing that starts after a while then go for servicing they oil it or pad it or something and it goes away... for a while.

hope you don't get it! MZ6 is a good choice to have made

[Eyke]

  On 6/18/2015 at 4:38 AM, 7hm said:

ATM the Mondeo is the only sub $200,000 model in this body class.

 

how about wowo V60?

[7hm]

  On 6/18/2015 at 5:10 AM, Eyke said:

how about wowo V60?

That's:

1. a wagon, not a 5dr-sedan

2. $215,000, list price, for T5-drive spec which is the closest equivalent. I would like that for sure, though. (D2 spec is below $200k, but is far too sparse on equipment to be good value imo)

those points said I like estate cars but I prefer 5dr liftback sedan

 

 

Only competitors I can think of that can access in our market are:

Audi A5 Sportback/A7 Sportback

BMW X4/X6, 3-series GT, 4-series GC, 5-series GT

and these are all way above $200,000

Used to have Skoda Superb/Octavia but I think we know what happened to Skoda here

Vauxhall/Opel has Insignia hatchback, but SG only has the so-called "notchback" 4dr sedan

Edited June 18, 2015 by 7hm

[ahboy86]

  On 6/18/2015 at 4:52 AM, 7hm said:

ho... new XE

 

but I think out of my range

 

 

the suspension squealing i mention is when going over bumps. I think MZ6 less prevalent, but MZ3 owners mentioning it a lot. Most of the time it's those sort of thing that starts after a while then go for servicing they oil it or pad it or something and it goes away... for a while.

hope you don't get it! MZ6 is a good choice to have made

 

I guess XE will be around > 180/190k, starting. Top up another 20k from Mondeo la hahahha.

 

Yea MZ6 was the clear choice, got the high spec exec 2.0 at 130k, was a steal just months ago.

 

Got the 2.0 because somehow the 2.0 was more spritely, lightfooted and responsive than the 2.5 Lux to me, i reckon; wanted the 2.5 Lux initially but settled for the 2.0; might be the 19 inch rims tarding the response? whatever it is, the 2.0 was the clear choice.

 

Saved quite a lot for another car. haha.

Edited June 18, 2015 by ahboy86

[Dice]

  On 6/18/2015 at 6:46 AM, ahboy86 said:

 

I guess XE will be around > 180/190k, starting. Top up another 20k from Mondeo la hahahha.

 

Yea MZ6 was the clear choice, got the high spec exec 2.0 at 130k, was a steal just months ago.

 

Got the 2.0 because somehow the 2.0 was more spritely, lightfooted and responsive than the 2.5 Lux to me, i reckon; wanted the 2.5 Lux initially but settled for the 2.0; might be the 19 inch rims tarding the response? whatever it is, the 2.0 was the clear choice.

 

Saved quite a lot for another car. haha.

bro how's the Mz6 2.0 FC in the real world?