New Ford Mondeo

[Hamburger]

Mmmmmm......like the s80, I thought they have switch to powershift dual clutch GB.

[7hm]

  On 5/16/2017 at 11:17 AM, Hamburger said:

Mmmmmm......like the s80, I thought they have switch to powershift dual clutch GB.

 

They went to Powershift Dual-Clutch for the families and subsidiaries (Volvo, Land Rover, Jaguar?)  back then, think it was 2008 that they introduced Powershift. But then after 2012 or so they started returning to torque convertor.

Maybe because the Powershift got a poor reputation for the usual cases of rough engagement etc.

Now I think only the GT is using a new Powershift.

[Hamburger]

  On 5/16/2017 at 11:22 AM, 7hm said:

They went to Powershift Dual-Clutch for the families and subsidiaries (Volvo, Land Rover, Jaguar?) back then, think it was 2008 that they introduced Powershift. But then after 2012 or so they started returning to torque convertor.

Maybe because the Powershift got a poor reputation for the usual cases of rough engagement etc.

Now I think only the GT is using a new Powershift.

Thanks for the heads up, I believe the 2012 s80 t4 might be using this powershift GB. If that's the case, need to be aware.

[7hm]

  On 5/16/2017 at 11:32 AM, Hamburger said:

Thanks for the heads up, I believe the 2012 s80 t4 might be using this powershift GB. If that's the case, need to be aware.

 

Should be able to identify the 6-speed Sowershift S80s, 2012 T4 could be Powershift. I did not research S80 so much, but I know the recent years with Drive T5 are all using the new Volvo engine architecture and Aisin(?) 8-speed auto.

 

Mondeo Mk V and Fusion II are all using the GM-Ford TC that is mostly designed for refinement.

[Hamburger]

  On 5/16/2017 at 2:00 PM, 7hm said:

Should be able to identify the 6-speed Sowershift S80s, 2012 T4 could be Powershift. I did not research S80 so much, but I know the recent years with Drive T5 are all using the new Volvo engine architecture and Aisin(?) 8-speed auto.

 

Mondeo Mk V and Fusion II are all using the GM-Ford TC that is mostly designed for refinement.

 

if i decide on the s80, it could jolly well be my first try at DCT.....

 

good or bad., have to own one to know.

[7hm]

  On 5/16/2017 at 2:44 PM, Hamburger said:

if i decide on the s80, it could jolly well be my first try at DCT.....

 

good or bad., have to own one to know.

 

DCT better for fuel efficiency, supposedly, but you just gonna have to get used a bit to the behavior of the gearbox. It's often said that Powershift is more configured to feel like traditional torque convertor, but early on a lot of engagement/lurching/etc. problems that Ford released lots of transmission control software updates for, so latest versions should be smoother.

[teomingern]

You can't run away from low rev jerkiness for what is essentially a manual gearbox...

[7hm]

  On 5/20/2017 at 12:51 PM, Cheong72 said:

It's ok with me. Just a matter of getting used to it. There is also a gear rattling sound sometimes when you move off. (something like you're in first gear and you didn't step of the accelerator enough). Regent Motors told me it's like that one....hmmm...

 

 

 

Anyway I think I found the source of the rattling sound in my cabin finally......

Passenger Cabin.jpg

 

Its just below the glove compartment. I shifted some of the wires around and now there seems to be no more rattling sound when I drive through rough roads. Ahhh....back to silence.....

 

Nice, you solved your issue. Maybe whoever fiddled with it last knocked something loose, or it just sorta came out on its own over time.

 

Meanwhile, my battery went flat again, even though it was just changed very recently. Not sure whether there is a problem yet, the new battery supposedly checks out, but I'm pretty sure the car is supposed to have some sort of power saving cut offs to prevent this sort of thing...

[Sopskysalat]

Recently, I finally got myself a VW with 110km mileage on it and it comes with 6 sp DSG.

I did some reading on how to drive it and my take is it is impressive. I don't really get low speed jerking and yes, we have to get used to its drive characteristic but I must say it is not all bad or even bad. Perhaps, I have not been hit by its failure yet but seriously, I reckon most failure may probably due to users not driving it correctly because I have 2 friends who drive the 7sp DSG, they have not experience any failure too.

 

As for torque converter, I must say only ZF8 from BMW is worthy to give up DCT. All other 6 speeder are lazy and dumb. 

 

  On 5/16/2017 at 2:44 PM, Hamburger said:

if i decide on the s80, it could jolly well be my first try at DCT.....

 

good or bad., have to own one to know.

 

[Teik]

  On 5/24/2017 at 8:28 AM, 7hm said:

Nice, you solved your issue. Maybe whoever fiddled with it last knocked something loose, or it just sorta came out on its own over time.

 

Meanwhile, my battery went flat again, even though it was just changed very recently. Not sure whether there is a problem yet, the new battery supposedly checks out, but I'm pretty sure the car is supposed to have some sort of power saving cut offs to prevent this sort of thing...

Try warranty claim.

[teomingern]

  On 5/24/2017 at 9:33 AM, Sopskysalat said:

Recently, I finally got myself a VW with 110km mileage on it and it comes with 6 sp DSG.

I did some reading on how to drive it and my take is it is impressive. I don't really get low speed jerking and yes, we have to get used to its drive characteristic but I must say it is not all bad or even bad. Perhaps, I have not been hit by its failure yet but seriously, I reckon most failure may probably due to users not driving it correctly because I have 2 friends who drive the 7sp DSG, they have not experience any failure too.

 

As for torque converter, I must say only ZF8 from BMW is worthy to give up DCT. All other 6 speeder are lazy and dumb. 

 

It's the 7-speed dry clutch that is the problematic gearbox... not the 6-speed one...

[Hamburger]

  On 5/24/2017 at 9:33 AM, Sopskysalat said:

Recently, I finally got myself a VW with 110km mileage on it and it comes with 6 sp DSG.

I did some reading on how to drive it and my take is it is impressive. I don't really get low speed jerking and yes, we have to get used to its drive characteristic but I must say it is not all bad or even bad. Perhaps, I have not been hit by its failure yet but seriously, I reckon most failure may probably due to users not driving it correctly because I have 2 friends who drive the 7sp DSG, they have not experience any failure too.

 

As for torque converter, I must say only ZF8 from BMW is worthy to give up DCT. All other 6 speeder are lazy and dumb. 

 

volvo powershift from ford bin is also another wet clutch.

 

frankly if car of this sort goes to jb frequently with many start stop and itching forward, jialat liao....

[Sopskysalat]

That is why driver needs to know how to drive this.

Do not crawl or inch forward whenever there is gap.

Do not use accelerator to do hill hold.

Do not floor the accelerator from standstill.

Like any GB, Strict maintenance regime on DSG...etc.

 

I read that 7DSG has a thicker clutch plate thus it will take longer to wear out. For MU, there is a change of synthetic oil to mineral oil, thus solving the problem. 

 

Back to mondeo, i wonder why this powershift is experiencing so much issues since it is a wet clutch. Ford even issued a bulletin to explain how to drive this GB. I was a fan of DCT, finally got one and I drove away feeling impressed! By the way, my VW has 6 months till scrap, so I am not concern about its failure though.

 

But I will be looking for the next DCT unless I can afford a ZF8 or Volvo that comes with Aisin 8 sp. The former ZF8 is still the one to go for when choosing torque converter. Wonder how BMW tune it to be such great drive.

 

  On 5/24/2017 at 11:52 AM, Hamburger said:

volvo powershift from ford bin is also another wet clutch.

 

frankly if car of this sort goes to jb frequently with many start stop and itching forward, jialat liao....

 

[Hamburger]

  On 5/24/2017 at 12:54 PM, Sopskysalat said:

That is why driver needs to know how to drive this.

Do not crawl or inch forward whenever there is gap.

Do not use accelerator to do hill hold.

Do not floor the accelerator from standstill.

Like any GB, Strict maintenance regime on DSG...etc.

 

I read that 7DSG has a thicker clutch plate thus it will take longer to wear out. For MU, there is a change of synthetic oil to mineral oil, thus solving the problem. 

 

Back to mondeo, i wonder why this powershift is experiencing so much issues since it is a wet clutch. Ford even issued a bulletin to explain how to drive this GB. I was a fan of DCT, finally got one and I drove away feeling impressed! By the way, my VW has 6 months till scrap, so I am not concern about its failure though.

 

But I will be looking for the next DCT unless I can afford a ZF8 or Volvo that comes with Aisin 8 sp. The former ZF8 is still the one to go for when choosing torque converter. Wonder how BMW tune it to be such great drive.

 

problem is when in a causeway jam, there is no alternative but to itch forward. 

 

No time for compromise or you would be finding yourself kana chet left and right.

[Sopskysalat]

accelerate instead of letting the car move forward.

 

 

  On 5/24/2017 at 12:58 PM, Hamburger said:

problem is when in a causeway jam, there is no alternative but to itch forward. 

 

No time for compromise or you would be finding yourself kana chet left and right.

 

[7hm]

  On 5/24/2017 at 3:51 PM, Cheong72 said:

Is your car cam directly hooked to the battery and you are running parking surveillance mode? If so, it will drain your battery fast if you don't have those voltage cut-off add-ons

 

For my old battery, even though the previous owner changed it 1/2 a year ago, it just went flat suddenly. Only symptom was in the morning, it's cranking sounded a bit weak and then later in the day it was flat. I changed to a Varta Battery and its been almost 1 year now and its still strong. Now a days I keep a portable jump starter in the car just in case

 

Camera has a built-in function to do so and is set to a fairly generous cut off, like 12.2V or something about that. Most people set to just 11.7 and below. 

 

But for the time being they didn't find the exact cause and are suspecting the cam anyway, so I'll just have to monitor it... 

At any rate, the OEM Ford branded battery label has the Varta logo on it, so it should presumably be manufactured by them (though I doubt in the good factories).

So far the Mk V's push button start makes it quite hard to detect "weak cranking"... unlike other cars out there the engine always almost immediately springs to life with practically no cranking sound on the press of the button. I had no warning whatsoever before my original battery died, no cranking delays or weak starting noise etc.... only time got such weak cranking sound was when it was dead. 

Edited May 24, 2017 by 7hm

[Sdf4786k]

  On 5/24/2017 at 9:33 AM, Sopskysalat said:

Recently, I finally got myself a VW with 110km mileage on it and it comes with 6 sp DSG.

I did some reading on how to drive it and my take is it is impressive. I don't really get low speed jerking and yes, we have to get used to its drive characteristic but I must say it is not all bad or even bad. Perhaps, I have not been hit by its failure yet but seriously, I reckon most failure may probably due to users not driving it correctly because I have 2 friends who drive the 7sp DSG, they have not experience any failure too.

 

As for torque converter, I must say only ZF8 from BMW is worthy to give up DCT. All other 6 speeder are lazy and dumb.

If u think all DCT are the same, u should try merc. That's even dumber n lazy

[Sopskysalat]

Actually you are right, it is how GB is tuned.

 

  On 5/25/2017 at 4:22 AM, Sdf4786k said:

If u think all DCT are the same, u should try merc. That's even dumber n lazy