Mercs Hypersonic May 9, 2015 Share May 9, 2015 Amos Yee: I knew what I did was offensive but... http://singaporeseen.stomp.com.sg/singaporeseen/this-urban-jungle/amos-yee-i-knew-what-i-did-was-offensive-but ↡ Advertisement 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ender Hypersonic May 9, 2015 Share May 9, 2015 The defense is like ' scolding someone KNNBCCB in his face and said no offense was meant.' 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boringchap Turbocharged May 10, 2015 Share May 10, 2015 (edited) Deleted. Edited May 10, 2015 by Boringchap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nlatio Turbocharged May 10, 2015 Share May 10, 2015 https://sg.news.yahoo.com/defense-singapore-teenager-didnt-intend-offend-video-142023078.html Defense: Singapore teenager didn't intend to offend in video So the defense lawyer is saying he did not intend to offend BUT did it on purpose?? Time to change lawyer..... Free one is like that.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vid Hypersonic May 10, 2015 Share May 10, 2015 I think he will get a better chance if he say he didn't know it was an offence because he is just 16 yr old. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph22 Turbocharged May 10, 2015 Share May 10, 2015 http://news.asiaone.com/news/singapore/amos-yee-pleads-not-guilty-over-blog-critical-lee-kuan-yew When I read about him being shackled in court I LoL... It's not as if he's a hardcore killer. Shackled? Seriously? He can't even protect himself from a 49yo man that slapped him. Sop mah. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph22 Turbocharged May 10, 2015 Share May 10, 2015 Cos 60% agree on what the red shirt guy do And the 60% also agree on punishing amao yee mire more then 60% lah. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ender Hypersonic May 10, 2015 Share May 10, 2015 So the defense lawyer is saying he did not intend to offend BUT did it on purpose?? Time to change lawyer..... Free one is like that.... Only lawyer can argue until it's white.. Like I like, "scold someone vulgar words in their face can say no offence was meant" type of argument. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ktglfc Hypersonic May 10, 2015 Share May 10, 2015 https://sg.news.yahoo.com/defense-singapore-teenager-didnt-intend-offend-video-142023078.html Defense: Singapore teenager didn't intend to offend in video SINGAPORE (AP) — Lawyers for an outspoken Singaporean teenager charged with offending religious feelings in an online video that criticized the city-state's founding father said that he did not intend to hurt Christians. Amos Yee, a 16-year-old blogger, has been thrust into the spotlight in tightly-controlled Singapore after he posted the online monologue laced with expletives as the country was mourning the first prime minister, Lee Kuan Yew. Such open criticism is rarely tolerated in Singapore, where deference is a cultural norm and self-censorship is endorsed. In his blogs and previous video postings, Yee has portrayed himself as the opposite of what society expects of a model citizen: a high school dropout who has criticized his teachers, parents, government and even the nation's founder. He is facing two criminal charges — one of offending Christians with comments in the video such as Jesus and Lee Kuan Yew were "power-hungry and malicious," and another of distributing a manipulated image of Lee and former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher in a sexual act. Defense lawyers and prosecutors completed their closing arguments Friday, and the judge said she would announce her verdict next Tuesday. Yee wore thin flip-flops and a white T-shirt to court with the word "prisoner" emblazoned in black letters across the back. He smiled to the crowd as he was escorted into the courtroom by three police officers, his wrists handcuffed and his ankles in shackles connected by chains. He could face up to three years in prison and a fine if found guilty of hurting religious feelings, and up to three months and a fine on the charge of distributing obscene content. Yee's lawyers said he did not intend to hurt the feelings of Christians, and that prosecutors had not presented any evidence that he had actually offended any. Prosecutors countered by saying Yee had made the material public, suggesting that it was intended to reach "all and sundry" and that Yee therefore could not claim that he did not intend his words to be seen by people who would be offended. They also said the image of Lee and Thatcher was obscene "because it depicts gratuitous sexual activity." Deputy public prosecutor Hay Hung Chun said Yee's defense contradicted a statement he had given police on the night he was arrested in which he said he knew his video was "bound to promote ill-will" among Christians. In the statement to police, Yee said he dropped out of school late last year and spent his days watching movies, playing video games and making videos. He said after Lee Kuan Yew's death in March he noticed that "many people were glorifying him and praising him for his contributions to modern-day Singapore," and that he then began researching Lee's life. "After my research, I realized that he was a horrible man and that some of his policies were inane. In the midst of my research, I began to see a lot of similarities between Lee Kuan Yew and Jesus Christ," he said in the statement. According to court documents, Yee told police that he was raised Catholic but later turned atheist. Verdict in Amos Yee's trial due Tuesday by Yahoo Newsroom Videos 1:50 mins Beyond the court case, Amos Yee's lawyer wants to help him live in society without being a disdain. A written decision is expected Tuesday 12 May. Just like when a person killed someone... the lawyer will always say the guy didn't meant to kill... So, judge will impose a manslaughter rather than death penalty... Hence, in this case, didn't intend to offense... so, don't imprison him, but still need to punish him by sending him to do some community work .... We have to send a right message ... cannot suka suka go online and rant abt religious matters and expect to get away, regardless your age ... everyone have to pay a price for something wrong.... What freedom of speech? Does it give you the right to just rant abt anything that concern abt religious or race? We cannot allow ourselves to degrade like the angmo in western countries ... 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porker Turbocharged May 10, 2015 Share May 10, 2015 Just like when a person killed someone... the lawyer will always say the guy didn't meant to kill... So, judge will impose a manslaughter rather than death penalty... Hence, in this case, didn't intend to offense... so, don't imprison him, but still need to punish him by sending him to do some community work .... We have to send a right message ... cannot suka suka go online and rant abt religious matters and expect to get away, regardless your age ... everyone have to pay a price for something wrong.... What freedom of speech? Does it give you the right to just rant abt anything that concern abt religious or race? We cannot allow ourselves to degrade like the angmo in western countries ... Like Jimmy Carr said (and I agree with him), offense is taken not given. I feel sorry for those who take offense so easily to mere words. Uptight uptight *shakes head* 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyco_kia 4th Gear May 10, 2015 Share May 10, 2015 well there are still people who show their support for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaiyotakamli Supersonic May 10, 2015 Share May 10, 2015 Just like when a person killed someone... the lawyer will always say the guy didn't meant to kill... So, judge will impose a manslaughter rather than death penalty... Hence, in this case, didn't intend to offense... so, don't imprison him, but still need to punish him by sending him to do some community work .... We have to send a right message ... cannot suka suka go online and rant abt religious matters and expect to get away, regardless your age ... everyone have to pay a price for something wrong.... What freedom of speech? Does it give you the right to just rant abt anything that concern abt religious or race? We cannot allow ourselves to degrade like the angmo in western countries ... Yah if given freedom of speech like angmoh Then might as well allow ownership of gun. Then we can see random shooting more often here 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leinad8919 Turbocharged May 10, 2015 Share May 10, 2015 Had the trial went on smoothly with Amos agreeing to the all the judge's request to take down post & not re arrested, I would say the sentencing be like some suggested hours of community services. However right now, Amos had refuses to remove post & show no remorse, with the bailer discharging himself, these are very negative actions that the judge would considered. Being just 16year old, the judge will be lenient with the sentencing but a fine & jail term (months) is a must to set a precedent. And Amos better regard it as his last warning. If he do that again after his release, then Ho Ho Ho, good luck to him. SG law is very firm on repeated offense. Amos will be taught a lesson he'd rather forget. After the whole ordeal, the parents are the biggest losers. No body wins.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryn Turbocharged May 11, 2015 Share May 11, 2015 For me, I think no offense meant is wrong argument. I would use four different tactics. 1. What was said wasn't offensive. 2. As a real historical figure, Jesus is not free from criticism and negative opinions. 3. Find support in bible for what Amos said. 4. Argue that as an atheist it is a removal of his freedom to say that Jesus cannot be criticised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph22 Turbocharged May 11, 2015 Share May 11, 2015 (edited) For me, I think no offense meant is wrong argument. I would use four different tactics. 1. What was said wasn't offensive. 2. As a real historical figure, Jesus is not free from criticism and negative opinions. 3. Find support in bible for what Amos said. 4. Argue that as an atheist it is a removal of his freedom to say that Jesus cannot be criticised. The problem is sensitivities of the issue That the government are looking at. People might not take offense. But the government have the duty to ensure it doesn't happen to more sensitive group or issue. Edited May 11, 2015 by Joseph22 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryn Turbocharged May 11, 2015 Share May 11, 2015 The problem is sensitivities of the issue That the government are looking at. People might not take offense. But the government have the duty to ensure it doesn't happen to more sensitive group or issue. In other words - different groups are held to different standards? What's fair of one group is not fair for another? As dangerous as saying offensive things about religion is, such an idea, that some groups are "more equal" than others is even more dangerous as an idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph22 Turbocharged May 11, 2015 Share May 11, 2015 In other words - different groups are held to different standards? What's fair of one group is not fair for another? As dangerous as saying offensive things about religion is, such an idea, that some groups are "more equal" than others is even more dangerous as an idea. That is why they are charging him even if most think it's no big deal. This is to ensure equality. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusje Supersonic May 11, 2015 Share May 11, 2015 (edited) That is why they are charging him even if most think it's no big deal. This is to ensure equality. Equality? http://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2015/03/police-queried-on-4-year-old-case-involving-ex-ypap-member/ This is because he insulted LKY (even if they did remove that particular charge). Do you think he would have been arrested if it was an opposition figure like Chiam or Chee that he insulted? Edited May 11, 2015 by Kusje ↡ Advertisement 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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