Pioneer AVH-X8750BT

[Leelk]

I see. So it is not the control on steering wheel or the icon on the touchscreen that is use to activate siri.

 

For carplay, USB extension (male to female port) must be connected to USB1 at headunit, then the apple cable to the female port of the extension. Did you also provide an HDMI cable for them to install? Does different grade of HDMI affects the video output to the headunit?

 

There is a button on 8750 screen to activate Siri also.

 

I didn't expect HDMi was optional item, thought came with it. The product diagram shown in manual shows that the HDMI port is just a regular HDMI female connector, so a regular HDMI cable will work fine I suppose.

 

HDMI cable grade....I am not sure if you can spot the difference at such small screen.

[Melbs]

For those asking how carplay works:

 

You do not need any other cable except your apple lightning cable plugged in usb1 of 8650/8750 for it to work. Just make sure your smart phone settings in your 8650/8750 is under usb and not digital av.

 

In 8650 carplay will not work with your digital av adapter(hdmi+lightning), that is solely for appradio mode.

 

Just plug your iphone and your 8650/8750 will automatically launch carplay.

 

To access siri by voice command, just make sure in your iphone settings that siri can be activated by turning on "hey siri" (plugged in usb)

 

You can likewise activate siri by pressing contacts and messages from the headunit and siri will ask who would you like to call or message.

 

Even if you are not in carplay and just in pioneers main os, you can still use siri, by pressing a dedicated button to call siri or simply say hey siri as well (plugged in usb)

Does different grade of HDMI affects the video output to the headunit?

No, hdmi sends digital signal, does not matter if its $5 or a $100 hdmi cable, the video quality will be the same. Edited March 25, 2015 by Melbs

[Melbs]

it seems like pioneer eu has just updated their website and introduced the 8700 series AVH, which is actually the 8750 series AVH in our region.

 

http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/products/25/109/281/AVH-X8700BT/specs.html

 

based there its confirmed to not have any network mode, of great concern though is there is no time alignment, instead they put in the sonic center control similar to the old 5650 7650 units which is not good at correcting your imaging and staging at all.

 

Leelk, possible for you to check if your unit has this sonic center control instead of time alignment, this is by far a worse alternative of correcting staging than the time alignment that the 8650 or 5750 has.

 

 

Edited March 25, 2015 by Melbs

[Ddarksire]

For those asking how carplay works:

 

You do not need any other cable except your apple lightning cable plugged in usb1 of 8650/8750 for it to work. Just make sure your smart phone settings in your 8650/8750 is under usb and not digital av.

 

In 8650 carplay will not work with your digital av adapter(hdmi+lightning), that is solely for appradio mode.

 

Just plug your iphone and your 8650/8750 will automatically launch carplay.

 

To access siri by voice command, just make sure in your iphone settings that siri can be activated by turning on "hey siri" (plugged in usb)

 

You can likewise activate siri by pressing contacts and messages from the headunit and siri will ask who would you like to call or message.

 

Even if you are not in carplay and just in pioneers main os, you can still use siri, by pressing a dedicated button to call siri or simply say hey siri as well (plugged in usb)

No, hdmi sends digital signal, does not matter if its $5 or a $100 hdmi cable, the video quality will be the same.

That's good information. Good to hear that Siri is working for those imp functions. In that case any hdmi will do, since we would not be using it very often.

[Leelk]

No, hdmi sends digital signal, does not matter if its $5 or a $100 hdmi cable, the video quality will be the same.

Quality of cable does have some effect, just a matter whether we can see.

 

There was a test done, looking at the signal noise level produce. When the cable is very short, like 3 meter, most of the hdmi cable doesn't differ. At 10m, most of the hdmi sucks. However, Monster Cable did not do his price tag any justice, it is some mod-range HDMi cable that perform better.

[Melbs]

Quality of cable does have some effect, just a matter whether we can see.

 

There was a test done, looking at the signal noise level produce. When the cable is very short, like 3 meter, most of the hdmi cable doesn't differ. At 10m, most of the hdmi sucks. However, Monster Cable did not do his price tag any justice, it is some mod-range HDMi cable that perform better.

 

quality does not have significant effect in picture quality, but has a great effect on reliability, of course you don't expect a $5 hdmi cable to last longer than a $100 one given you move the cable all over the place in a car setting. Home setting though, even reliability is useless as you do not move the hdmi cable at all. hdmi cables that come with my samsung flat screens are as cheaply made as those $5 ones i see in cheap china made electric stores.

 

like what you said no significant difference in 3 meter lengths, in a car a 1.5 meter hdmi is more than enough.

That's good information. Good to hear that Siri is working for those imp functions. In that case any hdmi will do, since we would not be using it very often.

 

be wary though when choosing the hdmi cable, not all can fit the apple dv adapter and/or the input at the back of the HU due to its casing.

 

some other hdmi brands have thick casing, the apple made though has a slim casing, and fits nicely in both the HU and digital adapter

[Kelyeo8104]

Mine is version 1.0. Just released only, pioneer website doesn't even have information about it, so it is natural that no other update is available.

 

It runs CarPlay fine, just need to turn it on at the setting screen.

 

Australia pioneer website host the firmwar for 8650 that you can download. Accordingly 1.06 and above would run caplay. I believe current firmware is either 1.08 or 1.09.

 

where to download 8650 V.108/1.09?

[Ddarksire]

it seems like pioneer eu has just updated their website and introduced the 8700 series AVH, which is actually the 8750 series AVH in our region.

 

http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/products/25/109/281/AVH-X8700BT/specs.html

 

based there its confirmed to not have any network mode, of great concern though is there is no time alignment, instead they put in the sonic center control similar to the old 5650 7650 units which is not good at correcting your imaging and staging at all.

 

Leelk, possible for you to check if your unit has this sonic center control instead of time alignment, this is by far a worse alternative of correcting staging than the time alignment that the 8650 or 5750 has.

 

 

 

What is network mode? Something to do with how sound travel to the listener?

[Melbs]

 

where to download 8650 V.108/1.09?

 

V1.06 is the latest for our AVH 8650BT

[Melbs]

 

What is network mode? Something to do with how sound travel to the listener?

 

network mode is basically capability of HU to control your 2 way separates in front using the full power of your amp per channel to each speaker and have control over its xover settings, slope and level output.

 

basically it opens your options in how you want to tune your car audio system unlike when you use your passive crossover included in your speaker sets, that's basically fixed crossover points and slopes.

[Gdspd08]

 

I got the 8750 from my PI's subcon. I forgot to ask but it should be a local set and can get local support.

 

Firmware update you can do it yourself, I believe the concern is more on using the locally-supported firmware. CarPlay is not officially available in Singapore, the firmware 1.0 that came with my unit have it there and running fine.

 

Siri works perfectly fine, only limitation is 8750 by default cannot integrate with all my steering buttons. I press-and-hold iPhone home button to activate Siri and get Siri to call the person I tried to reach out, worked fine.

 

Note, there is a paragraph in the manual supplement, reproduce here:

 

Notice to customers with Apple CarPlauy-compatible devices

If you connect an Apple CarPlay-compatible devices to this product, you will be able to control compatible features directly from the product's screen. For details on using Apple CarPlay, please visit the website for your region (see table at right) to access the instruction manual for Apple CarPlay.

 

Apple CarPlay may not be available in your country or region. To learn more about country availability and compatible apps, visit http://www.apple.com/ios/carplay.

 

Carplay goes through the lightning cable. 8750 comes with a USB cable, your installer need to make sure it is connected to USB1. Then connect your iphone with Lightnight cable to this USB cable, enable CarPlay, voila!

 

Bro, activate your iPhone "Hey Siri" function. It will work with no steering control.

Once activate, just say "Hey Siri" and your HU will start Siri function. No need to press anything.

However, it is abit kuku. Sometime it will not work properly.

 

[Gdspd08]

One more thing I discover on this HU over my previous 8450 is the AV aspect ratio setting is gone.

This will be impact to those who had rear monitor.

I use to be able to set letterhead setting on the AV setting of my 8450, so that my two headrest monitor will display properly.

This setting is gone in 8750.

Thet have integrate this aspect ratio setting only to DVD, VCD and etc.

Not on SD card with video file.

 

 

[Leelk]

it seems like pioneer eu has just updated their website and introduced the 8700 series AVH, which is actually the 8750 series AVH in our region.

 

http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/products/25/109/281/AVH-X8700BT/specs.html

 

based there its confirmed to not have any network mode, of great concern though is there is no time alignment, instead they put in the sonic center control similar to the old 5650 7650 units which is not good at correcting your imaging and staging at all.

 

Leelk, possible for you to check if your unit has this sonic center control instead of time alignment, this is by far a worse alternative of correcting staging than the time alignment that the 8650 or 5750 has.

 

 

See photos. Time alignment option is available in 8750.

Edited March 25, 2015 by Leelk

[Leelk]

 

where to download 8650 V.108/1.09?

 

my mistake. v1.06 is still the latest version.

 

http://www.pioneer.com.au/au/support/software/AVH-X8650BT/page.html

[Ddarksire]

 

network mode is basically capability of HU to control your 2 way separates in front using the full power of your amp per channel to each speaker and have control over its xover settings, slope and level output.

 

basically it opens your options in how you want to tune your car audio system unlike when you use your passive crossover included in your speaker sets, that's basically fixed crossover points and slopes.

So it is a controller to give better sound output. Is it similar to time alignment? If not what option is it under? Maybe leelk can try to find it in the menu

[Melbs]

Thanks for the pictures leelk 👍

[Melbs]

So it is a controller to give better sound output. Is it similar to time alignment? If not what option is it under? Maybe leelk can try to find it in the menu

Time alignment is a different feature, its basically letting individual speakers or in the case of 8650/8750 sets of speakers sound reach your ears all at the same time. This also helps in imaging and staging. In normal no time align cars you will hear sound coming from the nearest speaker, if you are the driver then its normally to your left and hear also sound coming from right speaker. With time align you can make the sound come from the front middle of the cabin. Similar to watching a live performance where the singer is at the center where the voice's focal point in the center.

[Ddarksire]

Time alignment is a different feature, its basically letting individual speakers or in the case of 8650/8750 sets of speakers sound reach your ears all at the same time. This also helps in imaging and staging. In normal no time align cars you will hear sound coming from the nearest speaker, if you are the driver then its normally to your left and hear also sound coming from right speaker. With time align you can make the sound come from the front middle of the cabin. Similar to watching a live performance where the singer is at the center where the voice's focal point in the center.

 

That is good explaination. So time alignment adjust the timing each speaker sound off with the intention of reaching the listener at the designated position the same time.

 

And network mode adjust the performance of each speaker ie like equalizer?

 

Where is network mode usually found in the menu? Maybe 8750 user can confirm that.

 

Which function u reckon is important? I would love to have many features built into the HU but does not want it to take up too much of the processing and lag the system. I just cannot stand laggy system.

Edited March 26, 2015 by Ddarksire