Thaiyotakamli Supersonic March 17, 2015 Share March 17, 2015 You are referring to the old ES or the current one both! You are right, The ES century sprint is 9.8s but low end torque is not too bad. (E200: 7.9s). ES's NA engine should last longer and has less problem than the E200. My mechanic advised me to change oil every 5k km for TC cars notwithstanding the mandated service interval of 15k km due to SG's stop go traffic and the higher operating temperature in a TC engine running around in our tropical heat. True? no not true, change every 5k then every conti AD should be doing that already. I change engine oil every 10k km, no prob with my E class despite got turbocharged ↡ Advertisement 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantum 5th Gear March 17, 2015 Share March 17, 2015 E200 Advantgarde or Lexus ES250 which more durable ( less visiting workshop ) and lower cost to maintain ? Most of my friend said European car always comes with high cost like often visit workshop and higher cost to maintain than Japanese made . Prices different by about 30K and which one gives better value ? of course ES250 less visiting workshop, E200 is TC, ES250 is NA, NA is more reliable than TC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury1 Turbocharged March 17, 2015 Share March 17, 2015 Doubt it, if it was true PML wun be pushing for extended warranty package You are right, The ES century sprint is 9.8s but low end torque is not too bad. (E200: 7.9s).ES's NA engine should last longer and has less problem than the E200.My mechanic advised me to change oil every 5k km for TC cars notwithstanding the mandated service interval of 15k km due to SG's stop go traffic and the higher operating temperature in a TC engine running around in our tropical heat. True? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beehive3783 Turbocharged March 17, 2015 Share March 17, 2015 Merc is supercharged. Not turbo. :) I think need to compare with E160 hahaThe output of lexus really weak, despite 2.5L engine. Merc would be more powerful due to TC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volvobrick Supersonic March 17, 2015 Share March 17, 2015 both! no not true, change every 5k then every conti AD should be doing that already. I change engine oil every 10k km, no prob with my E class despite got turbocharged Well Said.... My chipped-up turbobrick has service interval of about 15k. The turbo is still fine, engine still very smooth, no white smoke. Only in its 9th year then the is some oil leak at the bottom end. Changing oil at 5k is really wasting earth's resources and polluting the environment unnecessarily, not to mention wasting money and time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angcheek Hypersonic March 17, 2015 Share March 17, 2015 Well Said.... My chipped-up turbobrick has service interval of about 15k. The turbo is still fine, engine still very smooth, no white smoke. Only in its 9th year then the is some oil leak at the bottom end. Changing oil at 5k is really wasting earth's resources and polluting the environment unnecessarily, not to mention wasting money and time. so if I travel 50km per day .... every 10mth I need to change oil 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodooman Supersonic March 17, 2015 Share March 17, 2015 Merc is supercharged. Not turbo. :) For SG market (not the 3L version), the old W211 is supercharged, the current W212 is TC. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volvobrick Supersonic March 17, 2015 Share March 17, 2015 so if I travel 50km per day .... every 10mth I need to change oil Some contis even stretch to 20K! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angcheek Hypersonic March 17, 2015 Share March 17, 2015 Some contis even stretch to 20K! i change oil in my toyota every 3 or more years hahaha 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaiyotakamli Supersonic March 17, 2015 Share March 17, 2015 (edited) Merc is supercharged. Not turbo. :) ah is it this one i dunno what I care more is the FC and acceleration LOL Some contis even stretch to 20K! FYI, Jaguar every 25k km. I asked them what engine oil they use LOL probably because servicing is FOC Well Said.... My chipped-up turbobrick has service interval of about 15k. The turbo is still fine, engine still very smooth, no white smoke. Only in its 9th year then the is some oil leak at the bottom end. Changing oil at 5k is really wasting earth's resources and polluting the environment unnecessarily, not to mention wasting money and time. yes every 5k, i think maintenance very expensive wor haha 5k km i clocked in 2-3 months, like that I need to fork out 500 plus every quarter. GG. I think most important thing is that dont be late for your servicing, best like if servicing every 10k km, can do at 9.5k km. Then every morning dont after start car dont let rpm goes through 3k until engine is hot Edited March 17, 2015 by Thaiyotakamli Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beehive3783 Turbocharged March 17, 2015 Share March 17, 2015 Oh, now new model is TC? Thanks for sharing. I thought they would stick with Supercharging as it is more linear in power delivery compared to turbo. For SG market (not the 3L version), the old W211 is supercharged, the current W212 is TC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magfocus 5th Gear March 18, 2015 Share March 18, 2015 Oh, now new model is TC? Thanks for sharing. I thought they would stick with Supercharging as it is more linear in power delivery compared to turbo. the current TCed w212 feels linear to me, FC is also very decent at about 10.5km -11km/L in heavy traffic and highway 50/50. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
serenade 6th Gear March 18, 2015 Share March 18, 2015 the current TCed w212 feels linear to me, FC is also very decent at about 10.5km -11km/L in heavy traffic and highway 50/50. Current W212 with 2.0 engine is TC, direct injected, has variable valve timing on intake and balancing shafts. Max torque supposed to come in at 1,200rpm, but in actual driving is at 1,500rpm. Smooth revving due to the balancing shafts. Power delivery is linear from 1500rpm. In fact cannot tell it is a TC engine from driving. Only thing is that the engine is not Lexus quiet and the sound-track not inspiring. I am easily getting 10.5km/l on 70/30 city/highway driving with a gentle right foot on E mode. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Civic6228 6th Gear March 18, 2015 Share March 18, 2015 I would choose the Merc over the Lexus anytime .... In term of reliability ..... I would say Merc and Toyota pretty equal. Lexus to me is upgraded better sound insulated Toyota ... I would pick a Crown over a ES if I am considering a Lexus. To each his own ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celicar Turbocharged March 18, 2015 Share March 18, 2015 E200 Advantgarde or Lexus ES250 which more durable ( less visiting workshop ) and lower cost to maintain ? Most of my friend said European car always comes with high cost like often visit workshop and higher cost to maintain than Japanese made . Prices different by about 30K and which one gives better value ? It is all well and good to consider all these, but it is equally if not more important to consider what the wife prefers. Happy wife, happy life. OK? Good luck. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodooman Supersonic March 18, 2015 Share March 18, 2015 (edited) Agree. I just check the e250 yesterday. 7G . Was quite 237k 237k for the E250 Elegance? Edited March 18, 2015 by Voodooman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nzy Twincharged March 18, 2015 Share March 18, 2015 I would say E200. Unless you prefer more options of es250. Speak from experience owning 2 E class before, problem free. Maintenance slightly on higher side but lexus also not cheap wor But ES250 design so so, never excite me. Maybe interior not bad and also good to carry passenger. Otherwise e200 would be a wiser choice If white it is But black? Where got black E class cab? Moreover the image as cab is luxury cab, not everyone dare to jump into that taxi hehehe I think black one not so common. I have seen before also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaiyotakamli Supersonic March 18, 2015 Share March 18, 2015 the current TCed w212 feels linear to me, FC is also very decent at about 10.5km -11km/L in heavy traffic and highway 50/50. Which w212 model? I had two W212 before, E200 and E250. E200 has better Fc, can clock in 10-11km/l while E250 about 9-10km/l ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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