Between Mazda 6 and Ford Mondeo...

[teomingern]

Ford Mondeo is a good car,but,you need to drive until scrap,if you decide to sell at the 5th year,only can get "paper value"...+ maybe $1000 for the body..

 

I will drive until scrap of course... don't have money to throw about... but what about reliability...

[teomingern]

Did some checks previously.... The reliability of insignia is quite low internationally. Quite a nice car though... 1.6L turbo.

 

I've seen the car twice in the showroom at Ubi... but I don't quite like it for a few reasons:

 

1) The switch gear is identical to the car brand next door (i.e. Chevrolet Malibu). Even the dash fascia is almost the same, aircon vents, etc... a bit disconcerting.

 

2) The build quality isn't really very good for the kind of price they are asking for. The Mondeo's build quality is far superior.

 

3) The rear view visibility is totally hopeless. The rear view glass pane is much smaller than the size of the rear view mirror, the C pillars are so wide due to the sloping coupe design that the blind spot is incredibly big. Not very easy to drive and park.

 

4) Because of the extremely sloping roof line, the rear headroom is very poor. I am 1.75m and I can't sit upright in the rear. My head hits the roof lining and it's very uncomfortable as there is a pressure from the roof on the top of my head. I have to slouch to make the rear head room more comfortable.

 

5) Cabin space is at a premium. Although the car looks large, the packaging isn't very good. So rear leg space is quite tight.

 

The stuff I like about the car:

 

1) Really sporty outlook. But don't know what kind of performance and road handling. I didn't ask for a test drive the two times I was there cos my dad was looking at the Meriva and we went for that test drive.

 

2) Some nice touches in the switch gear in terms of gadgets and tricks. Can't remember them but I remembered I was impressed with a few things.

 

Overall, I think the Mondeo still wins out. My second choice would either be the Mazda 6 or the KIA Optima when it launches - must take a look at it first and the price and the ride quality.

[Mkl22]

I tried doing a simple computation to look at total cost of ownership comparing the Mondeo versus some other 2.0 L cars... hope I got it right... do take a look at let me know if it's correct way to do it.

 

Ford Mondeo 1.5 EcoBoost

Price - $139,999

OMV - $25,808

ARF - $28,132

Road Tax - $6060 (10 years)

 

Kia Optima 2.0

Price - $125,999 (based on last known price)

 

OMV - $19,732

ARF - $19,732

Road Tax - $10730 (10 years)

 

Toyota Camry 2.0

Price - $136,999 (based on yesterday's price)

 

OMV - $27,591

ARF - $30,628

Road Tax - $10730 (10 years)

 

Mazda 6 2.0

 

Price - $123,999 (based on yesterday's price)

 

OMV - $19,752

ARF - $19,752

Road Tax - $10730 (10 years)

 

So taking 50% ARF based on 10 year scrap, and no CEVS for all cars (based on current car cost from LTA website):

 

I'll pay about $13,526 more for the Mondeo compared to the Optima or Mazda 6, but save about $422 by getting the Mondeo compared to the Camry.

 

The Optima is going to be launched at the Singapore Motorshow in two weeks, so I guess the price won't be low like the clearance price in Oct last year of $125,999. I remember the Optima going for almost $135,000 when new but of course the COE was also higher then. The Sonata has a significant price reduction in today's papers, so I just used that price. The Camry is of course a joke, I sat in it and it felt really really cheap, I didn't even bother to ask for a test drive. The Mondeo is still the best and still the dearest...

 

 

What about the Subaru Legacy at 116800. It's very good value. But road tax over 10years will be approx 18000. Edited January 3, 2016 by Mkl22

[ER-3682]

I will drive until scrap of course... don't have money to throw about... but what about reliability...

Hmm,reliability,of course not as good as Japanese car....esp electrical parts...

What about the Subaru Legacy at 116800. It's very good value. But road tax over 10years will be approx 18000.

This is a good car.

Also Ford parts damm hard to get outside.

[Mkl22]

Hmm,reliability,of course not as good as Japanese car....esp electrical parts...

 

This is a good car.

 

Also Ford parts damm hard to get outside.

Yes. Ford and Opel parts are very difficult to source locally only agent carries. And not all parts. And if they do carry you are at their mercy for prices. Unless you dhl the parts in from. U.K. Which is much cheaper. But then I rather drive a Camry and wish knowing that I can always get my parts within hours and not days or weeks.

 

Parents had an Opel vectra B. Never again. Dad is so happy with his 10year old toyota wish that he bought another. Cost him less than 3k over 10years for oil change and repairs.

Edited January 3, 2016 by Mkl22

[ER-3682]

Also not many outside workshop got the equipment to service Ford cars,because the cars too little,no outside workshop wanted to invest alot on this brand.

[Eyke]

Also Ford parts damm hard to get outside.

 

no leh, there are a few stockists around,

and a few workshops that do Ford.

[ER-3682]

no leh, there are a few stockists around,

and a few workshops that do Ford.

Only Ex-Stock,very common parts.

[Baal]

Mz6 2.5L

[Djcoolmax]

Personally, I will look at Jap brands for reliability if driving till scrap.

 

Between Maz6, Camry and Subaru.. I would choose Maz 6.

 

Looks good... fuel consumption is decent and Made in Japan.

[teomingern]

What about the Subaru Legacy at 116800. It's very good value. But road tax over 10years will be approx 18000.

 

The road tax is not a problem as it is offset by the cost of the car. But fuel consumption will be a big issue with the large 2.5 L engine. I drive at least 50 km a day... so one month clock about 1000 km, and that's only for work. I use the car for another three trips a week that clock about another 150 km. So in all one month, I clock about 1600 km... so the 2.5 L will be thirsty... no doubt the price of the Legacy is very attractive.

Only Ex-Stock,very common parts.

 

What do you mean by existing stock and very common parts? I have a roving mechanic who can fix any car, even Mercedes and BMW... so I guess getting a Ford won't be a problem. Anyway, the salesperson at Regent Motors said that for the 5 year factory warranty, die die must service at Regent Motors, so that solves the parts problem if any for the first 5 years lar... after that I'll go to my mechanic, and he'll probably be able to source for the parts that he needs.

To the bros who have been driving this current Mondeo (either 2.0 or 1.5 L), could you weigh in on the parts issue? Or the reliability issues? I haven't heard any bad reliability issues so far, but then the number of Mondeos are so few on the road that maybe I don't hear many... I have a colleague's husband who drives the previous Mondeo, just the model before this one and I would ask him too when I see but I wonder if it's any good? So far his car I think no issues at all cos never hear my colleague complain, they have two babies... :)

no leh, there are a few stockists around,

and a few workshops that do Ford.

 

Bro, can post the stockists' shop names? Is it easy to get parts from them? What's the usual waiting time for any part? If anyone has experience, can post? For minor and major parts?

[Mkl22]

The road tax is not a problem as it is offset by the cost of the car. But fuel consumption will be a big issue with the large 2.5 L engine. I drive at least 50 km a day... so one month clock about 1000 km, and that's only for work. I use the car for another three trips a week that clock about another 150 km. So in all one month, I clock about 1600 km... so the 2.5 L will be thirsty... no doubt the price of the Legacy is very attractive.

 

 

What do you mean by existing stock and very common parts? I have a roving mechanic who can fix any car, even Mercedes and BMW... so I guess getting a Ford won't be a problem. Anyway, the salesperson at Regent Motors said that for the 5 year factory warranty, die die must service at Regent Motors, so that solves the parts problem if any for the first 5 years lar... after that I'll go to my mechanic, and he'll probably be able to source for the parts that he needs.

 

To the bros who have been driving this current Mondeo (either 2.0 or 1.5 L), could you weigh in on the parts issue? Or the reliability issues? I haven't heard any bad reliability issues so far, but then the number of Mondeos are so few on the road that maybe I don't hear many... I have a colleague's husband who drives the previous Mondeo, just the model before this one and I would ask him too when I see but I wonder if it's any good? So far his car I think no issues at all cos never hear my colleague complain, they have two babies... :)

 

 

Bro, can post the stockists' shop names? Is it easy to get parts from them? What's the usual waiting time for any part? If anyone has experience, can post? For minor and major parts?

I think what he means is spare parts are hard to come by except

For the common parts like air filters, oil filter etc. for example if your abs sensor or pump is down. Then you either have to hope the agent has it on hand or dhl in from uk. Else be prepared to have the car sit and wait for parts. Stockist are unlikely to carry such slow moving parts.

[teomingern]

But do these parts fail often in a Ford? If the car is older, I can accept it lar... My Subaru Impreza (2007) manual has gone through quite a few significant changes - gear box, rear diff box, front shocks, shock mountings, clutch, all bearings in the wheels... I drive my cars quite hard... haha... most parts changed in the last two years - 8-9 years old...

Edited January 4, 2016 by teomingern

[7hm]

What do you mean by existing stock and very common parts? I have a roving mechanic who can fix any car, even Mercedes and BMW... so I guess getting a Ford won't be a problem. Anyway, the salesperson at Regent Motors said that for the 5 year factory warranty, die die must service at Regent Motors, so that solves the parts problem if any for the first 5 years lar... after that I'll go to my mechanic, and he'll probably be able to source for the parts that he needs.

To the bros who have been driving this current Mondeo (either 2.0 or 1.5 L), could you weigh in on the parts issue? Or the reliability issues? I haven't heard any bad reliability issues so far, but then the number of Mondeos are so few on the road that maybe I don't hear many... I have a colleague's husband who drives the previous Mondeo, just the model before this one and I would ask him too when I see but I wonder if it's any good? So far his car I think no issues at all cos never hear my colleague complain, they have two babies... :)

 

Bro, can post the stockists' shop names? Is it easy to get parts from them? What's the usual waiting time for any part? If anyone has experience, can post? For minor and major parts?

 

So far, I've encountered four concerns with the Mk V Mondeo:

 

1. rattling from the front top left side of the cabin near the roof lining. Couldn't isolate the cause, but it disappeared after a car wash. I suspect a piece of debris or grit or the like got stuck somewhere there and got blown out by the wash. I've heard of weirder things, so don't consider this a reliability concern.

 

2. I seem to be thinking that the suspension feels bumpier than initially, but handling is just as great as ever. So I'm really not sure... had a couple incidents of big road bumps a bit too fast, but the car seems to have endured them like a champ really. No car will completely absorb bumps... Will request suspension check during servicing regardless.

Most frequent passenger also commented they think the transmission is dragging. I don't think there's anything wrong with my transmission atm, it might just have been due to logic adjustments from playing in manual Sport mode.

 

3. Air-con has musty smell for a half-minute on start up if the car has been alone for at least twelve hours. Received a questionable answer that it is normal degradation behavior for the activated charcoal filter. It's not bothersome enough for me to pursue at the moment.

 

4. Bluetooth module dropped connections entirely once, and the frequency of audio stutters has risen. Will raise this issue if it worsens. If not, can hold on till servicing.

 

The car is not that old or of particularly high mileage yet and I haven't perceived any problems with build quality, engine or drivetrain as a whole. Reliable? Not sure yet!

Since I haven't been for servicing or repairs as well, I cannot comment on parts availability or lead times. I can however attest that they keep little to no stock of car accessories. Mudguards, bodykits, door visors, etc., no sirree.

 

 

 

As for stockists' names, I have seen them float around before on MCF. Would be nice to round up a nice list for Ford owners.

[MQX87511]

Just test drove the Mondeo 1.5 EcoBoost today... car handles brilliantly, very pliant over road irregularities, corners tautly, good steering feel and feedback. Cabin is very well insulated, engine is super responsive, power is very good. The salesperson told me to slow down a bit as I was hitting 100 kmh rather quickly... low speed traction and feel is good too. Only problem is the price... it's still $139,999 which pretty dear...

 

Of course no active safety features, no GPS still, no tire pressure monitor, no BiXenon headlamps (just LEDs) but with auto leveller.

 

Think can get a better price than $139,999? OMV is about $25,800. 

 

Thinking of Mazda 6 2.0 and the new Kia Optima K5 2.0. Anyone has a spreadsheet or something to work out the total cost of ownership, including OMV, depreciation etc? Cos my mum was saying that the cost of ownership may not be very different from the new Optima due to the much higher 2.0 L road tax (about $600+ more per year).

 

 

Thanks!

at this price tag, wait for new civic is more worthy,

2016 Civic 1.5T with high power output and better FC than Mondeo 1.5T

[teomingern]

at this price tag, wait for new civic is more worthy,

2016 Civic 1.5T with high power output and better FC than Mondeo 1.5T

 

Different size bro... the Civic is much smaller. And I would hazard much less plush than the Mondeo which is one class above. And that makes the Civic not worth the crazy amount of cash they ask for. I have seen the new Civic in pictures... not impressed with the design... looks really lousy IMO...

[7hm]

Of course no active safety features, no GPS still, no tire pressure monitor, no BiXenon headlamps (just LEDs) but with auto leveller.

 

Buddy, just noticed this statement when MQX quoted.

 

Would like to say that you should not call them "just LEDs"... these are way smarter than any bi-xenon system - the Mondeo has Ford Dynamic LED, which have adaptive features such as; beam patterning dependent on speed, (longer beam for expressway speeds, shorter but wider in slow speeds, a "manuevering beam" for reversing), angling (turns with your steering wheel), as well as automatic high beam.

(I also believe they are able to detect cars ahead and dim a portion of the beam, but I don't have a confirmation on this.)

 

Lastly but not least is the sequential indicator feature where the signal lights stream outward.

 

And compared to bi-xenon, they illuminate at full brightness instantly and are almost as bright as bi-xenons if not brighter! They also have long lifetimes and aren't vulnerable to failure from "short-striking".

[Eyke]

Bro, can post the stockists' shop names? Is it easy to get parts from them? What's the usual waiting time for any part? If anyone has experience, can post? For minor and major parts?

 

seach for Ford here: http://www.autoparts.com.sg/members.asp

Would like to say that you should not call them "just LEDs"... these are way smarter than any bi-xenon system - the Mondeo has Ford Dynamic LED

 

And compared to bi-xenon, they illuminate at full brightness instantly and are almost as bright as bi-xenons if not brighter! They also have long lifetimes and aren't vulnerable to failure from "short-striking".

 

Halogen < HID/Xenon < LED < Laser